Real reason why you hate President Bush. Give me facts

[MaximusPaynicus]

Dark_Tears

I'm sick of people saying that President Bush should be impeached beacuse they hate him. Thats not a real reason. People also seemed to be blaming the war on Bush. Comgress and House of Representatives declairs and pass the bills for war not the President.

Read your history and go take a civic's class somewhere.

Give me facts why you hate him if you do. Not I feel s**t because you base it on how you feel. You can't
Don't give me the iraq war was for oil because it was not, because no one gave me facts or anything about it

Ok, where do I begin? ...

1.) Taking rough, rounded-out figures, you have up to 15,000 preventable deaths of American citizens that are directly tracable to this Administration. (3,000 on 9/11, 2,000 in Iraq, and 5,000-10,000 from Katrina)

2.) The United States Congress did NOT declare war. They gave Bush the power to go to war as a last resort. Can you tell me with a straight face that he gave the UN inspectors the time they needed to check that country for WMDs? And I mean real WMDs, not decade-old aircraft buried under fifteen feet of sand.

3.) The incredible mismanagement of the US Economy under his Administration. And every time the economy starts to pull itself out of this rut, Bush does something to throw us back into it. This time, it's for paying for the Katrina re-building efforts. Instead of rolling back the tax cuts from before, even if it was just temporary, he opted to pay for this by... how, again?

4.) After September 11th, Bush had so much international "capital" that he could have practically asked the world to join him in the fight on terrorism. But, because he decided to go gung-ho into Iraq, he has squabbled the good favor given to us by the international community. Hell, he's even alienated many of our allies.

5.) Oil. His refusal (or ignorance) to directly address the issue of skyrocketing oil prices, which lead to higher gas and energy costs, has put many in the lower-middle class into a stranglehold that, if things continue on this path, they have no prayer of winning.

6.) He can't button a simple dress shirt. (That is a joke, kiddies.)

7.) Border protection. Even now, there are hundreds of illegal immigrants streaming over our unprotected borders, into this nation. And, while Karl Rove will try to paint Liberals as the party of inaction towards border security, it is in fact the Bush Administration that has done nothing to stem the flow.

There you go. S[ix] good reasons why this man should be impeached. And those are just off the top of my head.

[Logic Bomb]

Don't try to muddy the water with facts. You will screw up their skewed prospective eek

[Logic Bomb]

The 4th Amigo

Dark_Tears

I'm sick of people saying that President Bush should be impeached beacuse they hate him. Thats not a real reason. People also seemed to be blaming the war on Bush. Comgress and House of Representatives declairs and pass the bills for war not the President.

Read your history and go take a civic's class somewhere.

Give me facts why you hate him if you do. Not I feel s**t because you base it on how you feel. You can't
Don't give me the iraq war was for oil because it was not, because no one gave me facts or anything about it

Ok, where do I begin? ...

1.) Taking rough, rounded-out figures, you have up to 15,000 preventable deaths of American citizens that are directly tracable to this Administration. (3,000 on 9/11, 2,000 in Iraq, and 5,000-10,000 from Katrina)

2.) The United States Congress did NOT declare war. They gave Bush the power to go to war as a last resort. Can you tell me with a straight face that he gave the UN inspectors the time they needed to check that country for WMDs? And I mean real WMDs, not decade-old aircraft buried under fifteen feet of sand.

3.) The incredible mismanagement of the US Economy under his Administration. And every time the economy starts to pull itself out of this rut, Bush does something to throw us back into it. This time, it's for paying for the Katrina re-building efforts. Instead of rolling back the tax cuts from before, even if it was just temporary, he opted to pay for this by... how, again?

4.) After September 11th, Bush had so much international "capital" that he could have practically asked the world to join him in the fight on terrorism. But, because he decided to go gung-ho into Iraq, he has squabbled the good favor given to us by the international community. Hell, he's even alienated many of our allies.

5.) Oil. His refusal (or ignorance) to directly address the issue of skyrocketing oil prices, which lead to higher gas and energy costs, has put many in the lower-middle class into a stranglehold that, if things continue on this path, they have no prayer of winning.

6.) He can't button a simple dress shirt. (That is a joke, kiddies.)

7.) Border protection. Even now, there are hundreds of illegal immigrants streaming over our unprotected borders, into this nation. And, while Karl Rove will try to paint Liberals as the party of inaction towards border security, it is in fact the Bush Administration that has done nothing to stem the flow.

There you go. S[ix] good reasons why this man should be impeached. And those are just off the top of my head.

All of your points except #7 are outright lies or spins. Other then that, great point! stare

[MaximusPaynicus]

Oh, I just want to clear up something on my previous post: No. I am not blaming President Bush for a hurricane. But I am blaming him for the absolute panic that ensued because, as the executive officer, you have overriding power. If you knew beforehand that the Local/State governments were incapable of handling a situation of this magnitude, then you step in and say "Screw you guys, I'll do it."

[Logic Bomb]

The 4th Amigo

If you knew beforehand that the Local/State governments were incapable of handling a situation of this magnitude, then you step in and say "Screw you guys, I'll do it."

And by doing so, he would break half a dozzen laws, giving the state and local governments perfect legal reason to demand his resignation or seek impeachment.

You know nothing of disaster relief litigation, and shouldn't pretend like you have a clear cut perspective of the situation. In truth, nobody did.

[Tarrou]

Logic Bomb

All of your points except #7 are outright lies or spins. Other then that, great point! stare

Which is all well and good, assuming, of course, that you can actually give us a reasoned critique of his points that prove, or at least make a good case, that they really are lies or 'spin'. Have at it.

[Logic Bomb]

Tangled Up In Blue

Logic Bomb

All of your points except #7 are outright lies or spins. Other then that, great point! stare

Which is all well and good, assuming, of course, that you can actually give us a reasoned critique of his points that prove, or at least make a good case, that they really are lies or 'spin'. Have at it.

Ok, here is what he posted, with my comentary in red.

1.) Taking rough, rounded-out figures, you have up to 15,000 preventable deaths of American citizens that are directly tracable to this Administration. (3,000 on 9/11, 2,000 in Iraq, and 5,000-10,000 from Katrina)

a) 9/11 wasn't preventable under the new administration, as it was hamstrung from years of mismanagement and practice. Not just under clinton BTW

b) there are slightly less then 2000 dead in Iraq,

c) There are less then 1000 dead from katrina so far, and the vast majority of those who died did so during the first 48hours, AKA while the storm was still under way. As if bush could have turned off the hurricane!

2.) The United States Congress did NOT declare war. They gave Bush the power to go to war as a last resort. Can you tell me with a straight face that he gave the UN inspectors the time they needed to check that country for WMDs? And I mean real WMDs, not decade-old aircraft buried under fifteen feet of sand.

a) The congress DID declare war, congress is the only body that has the ability to declare war

b) The UN inspecters had YEARS to search for WMD's, and actually found some.



3.) The incredible mismanagement of the US Economy under his Administration. And every time the economy starts to pull itself out of this rut, Bush does something to throw us back into it. This time, it's for paying for the Katrina re-building efforts. Instead of rolling back the tax cuts from before, even if it was just temporary, he opted to pay for this by... how, again?

Total Spin. What he is proposing is to pay for Katrina by doing away with pet projects that got tacked on to half a dozzen bills by BOTH political parties over the past year. You're saying we shouldn't rebuild after Katrina? WTF?

4.) After September 11th, Bush had so much international "capital" that he could have practically asked the world to join him in the fight on terrorism. But, because he decided to go gung-ho into Iraq, he has squabbled the good favor given to us by the international community. Hell, he's even alienated many of our allies.

a) He DID ask the world to join him on the fight against Terror. Are you really that ******** blind and deaf?

b) He didn't go into Iraq all Gung-Ho. If he had, he would have skipped afghanastan, eh? Keep spinning.

5.) Oil. His refusal (or ignorance) to directly address the issue of skyrocketing oil prices, which lead to higher gas and energy costs, has put many in the lower-middle class into a stranglehold that, if things continue on this path, they have no prayer of winning.

Nother total spin. The oil prices started with China Doubling it's oil consumption, and got it's boost b/c of Katrina, which by the way still wasn't bush's fault.

6.) He can't button a simple dress shirt. (That is a joke, kiddies.)


This is just ******** stupid

7.) Border protection. Even now, there are hundreds of illegal immigrants streaming over our unprotected borders, into this nation. And, while Karl Rove will try to paint Liberals as the party of inaction towards border security, it is in fact the Bush Administration that has done nothing to stem the flow.

Spot on. Nobody said shrub was perfect.

And there you have it. Total ******** spin job, with a few good lies thrown in as well.

[Kamon_Casinova]

zoobs

Dark_Tears

Wendigo

Flood strikes New Orleans.

First thought; "incentives for businesses."

Next question?

weather not our fault and how do you know his first thoughts. Your not in his head.

I agree, he did not cause the hurricane, BUT he waited four days to responde. When ever someone tried to inform him on the tradgity, he dismissed them, until finally he was forced to watch a video. Then he realized things were ******** up down there. The levis broke because of all the tax breaks that has sent our country into the greatest dept it has ever known, so we didn't have the money to re-enforce them.

alright, im a fan on lists so here it is:
1. the president has concerns on a global and country wide level, that is why we have governors and FEMA, to take care of things at home. FEMA was late, and the local governments failed to deploy the national guard. plus, the fact that the people down there didnt leave adds to that. the president is not completely to blame.
2.The levees are under the control of the local governments and any improvements come from the taxes of the dwellers in the area, if they voted down the raising of taxes to work on the levee, that is not president bushes fault, if anything the tax cuts would able the local governments to raise the taxes in their own area to fix any probelems that they have.

that is all, i like this thread.

[alligator saurus]

Logic Bomb

Tangled Up In Blue

Logic Bomb

All of your points except #7 are outright lies or spins. Other then that, great point! stare

Which is all well and good, assuming, of course, that you can actually give us a reasoned critique of his points that prove, or at least make a good case, that they really are lies or 'spin'. Have at it.

Ok, here is what he posted, with my comentary in red.

1.) Taking rough, rounded-out figures, you have up to 15,000 preventable deaths of American citizens that are directly tracable to this Administration. (3,000 on 9/11, 2,000 in Iraq, and 5,000-10,000 from Katrina)

a) 9/11 wasn't preventable under the new administration, as it was hamstrung from years of mismanagement and practice. Not just under clinton BTW

b) there are slightly less then 2000 dead in Iraq,

c) There are less then 1000 dead from katrina so far, and the vast majority of those who died did so during the first 48hours, AKA while the storm was still under way. As if bush could have turned off the hurricane!

2.) The United States Congress did NOT declare war. They gave Bush the power to go to war as a last resort. Can you tell me with a straight face that he gave the UN inspectors the time they needed to check that country for WMDs? And I mean real WMDs, not decade-old aircraft buried under fifteen feet of sand.

a) The congress DID declare war, congress is the only body that has the ability to declare war

b) The UN inspecters had YEARS to search for WMD's, and actually found some.



3.) The incredible mismanagement of the US Economy under his Administration. And every time the economy starts to pull itself out of this rut, Bush does something to throw us back into it. This time, it's for paying for the Katrina re-building efforts. Instead of rolling back the tax cuts from before, even if it was just temporary, he opted to pay for this by... how, again?

Total Spin. What he is proposing is to pay for Katrina by doing away with pet projects that got tacked on to half a dozzen bills by BOTH political parties over the past year. You're saying we shouldn't rebuild after Katrina? WTF?

4.) After September 11th, Bush had so much international "capital" that he could have practically asked the world to join him in the fight on terrorism. But, because he decided to go gung-ho into Iraq, he has squabbled the good favor given to us by the international community. Hell, he's even alienated many of our allies.

a) He DID ask the world to join him on the fight against Terror. Are you really that ******** blind and deaf?

b) He didn't go into Iraq all Gung-Ho. If he had, he would have skipped afghanastan, eh? Keep spinning.

5.) Oil. His refusal (or ignorance) to directly address the issue of skyrocketing oil prices, which lead to higher gas and energy costs, has put many in the lower-middle class into a stranglehold that, if things continue on this path, they have no prayer of winning.

Nother total spin. The oil prices started with China Doubling it's oil consumption, and got it's boost b/c of Katrina, which by the way still wasn't bush's fault.

6.) He can't button a simple dress shirt. (That is a joke, kiddies.)


This is just ******** stupid

7.) Border protection. Even now, there are hundreds of illegal immigrants streaming over our unprotected borders, into this nation. And, while Karl Rove will try to paint Liberals as the party of inaction towards border security, it is in fact the Bush Administration that has done nothing to stem the flow.

Spot on. Nobody said shrub was perfect.

And there you have it. Total ******** spin job, with a few good lies thrown in as well.

I totally agree with you why do people think the president declares war?? Thats one of the dumbest things i heard and i told someone that earlier in this thread. Bush should do something about the boarder but you can;t just blame him. What did your wonderful clinton do ((Note: I speaking to everyone who loves clinton not just you)) Nothing either. So you can't just blame bush for that. Its been going on for years not the last 4-5 years

[Wendigo]

Kamon_Casinova

1. the president has concerns on a global and country wide level, that is why we have governors and FEMA, to take care of things at home. FEMA was late, and the local governments failed to deploy the national guard. plus, the fact that the people down there didnt leave adds to that. the president is not completely to blame.

The President's "country wide" concern should have put a competent man or woman in charge of FEMA, rather than the incomparably foolish louse Michael Brown.

And it should have been hasty in getting the papers authorizing National Guard deployment to Blanco.

"That the people down there didn't leave"? There was a hurricane, and THEY ARE MOSTLY VERY POOR. What do you want them to do, jump in their ******** ROCKET CARS? They did what the poor often do in disasters; exactly what the government told them to do.

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2.The levees are under the control of the local governments and any improvements come from the taxes of the dwellers in the area, if they voted down the raising of taxes to work on the levee, that is not president bushes fault, if anything the tax cuts would able the local governments to raise the taxes in their own area to fix any probelems that they have.

Bull s**t. FEDERAL budget. US Army Corps of Engineers Hurricane Protection project. Part of a budget SET by the President, amended and passed by Congress. Bush gave it $3 million (out of an estimated $11 million) and $3.9 million (out of an estimated $22 million) the last two years; Congress raised it to $5.5 million for each.

So the President has NOTHING to do with these levees? Even though he has CUT the FEDERAL project to build them up and maintain them the last TWO YEARS? No. That's some damn s**t propaganda.

[Tarrou]

Logic Bomb

a) 9/11 wasn't preventable under the new administration, as it was hamstrung from years of mismanagement and practice. Not just under clinton BTW

b) there are slightly less then 2000 dead in Iraq,

c) There are less then 1000 dead from katrina so far, and the vast majority of those who died did so during the first 48hours, AKA while the storm was still under way. As if bush could have turned off the hurricane!

a.) While one cannot necessarily hold Bush personally responsible, the lapses leading up to Sept. 11 cannot all be laid at the feet of other Presidents. Despite the fact that he was warned in August of 2001 that Bin Laden wanted to attack the US (not to mention a FEMA report earlier in 2001 that listed a terrorist attack on New York as likely), Bush didn't take any steps to improve domestic security. Regardless of whether or not that would have actually prevented 9/11, it's certainly indicative of Bush's pre-9/11 indifference to terrorism, which, in my opinion, makes him at least partly culpable. To have been warned and done nothing is not excusable, no matter how you slice it.

b.) Your point?

c.) A stronger Federal Emergency Management Agency could have prevented some of those deaths, possibly by providing the means to evacuate New Orleans prior to the hurricane striking the city. And it's worth noting that Bush is largely responsible for weakening FEMA by appointing officials that were totally unqualified and by shuffling FEMA into the Department of Homeland Security. Again, although he can't take all the blame, it's equally disingenuous to try to absolve him of any blame. And one word: levees.

Logic Bomb

a) The congress DID declare war, congress is the only body that has the ability to declare war

b) The UN inspecters had YEARS to search for WMD's, and actually found some.

a.) Congress, in fact, did not declare war. Congress hasn't declared war since 1941. Bush was authorized to use force, but war was not declared.

b.) There were no WMDs at the time of the invasion, which rather nullifies that justification for the war, doesn't it? In fact, it has been determined that Saddam, although he would have liked to have weapons, wasn't going to be obtaining them in the future either.

Logic Bomb

Total Spin. What he is proposing is to pay for Katrina by doing away with pet projects that got tacked on to half a dozzen bills by BOTH political parties over the past year. You're saying we shouldn't rebuild after Katrina? WTF?

Here I sort of agree with you, although I should point out that Bush's deficit spending may have serious economic consequences down the road. Which leads into the absolute insanity of his spending policies and tax cuts.

Logic Bomb

a) He DID ask the world to join him on the fight against Terror. Are you really that ******** blind and deaf?

b) He didn't go into Iraq all Gung-Ho. If he had, he would have skipped afghanastan, eh? Keep spinning.

a.) And they were pretty much all right with that until we made Iraq a part of the 'War on Terror' or whatever we're calling it these days.

b.) Let's see: Going into Iraq with only a handful of major allies, shouldering the financial and military bulk of the operation, a significant chunk of the world against the invasion, no realistic plan for occupying the country (which has really bitten us in the a**). I'd say it was, if not gung-ho, then at least extremely poorly conceived and, most importantly, unnecessary.

[Oblivious Sage]

For those of you saying the Iraq war has nothing to do with oil, President Bush begs to differ.

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Stupid Gaia. Make it a link!

[Wendigo]

tylara67

For those of you saying the Iraq war has nothing to do with oil, President Bush begs to differ.

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Stupid Gaia. Make it a link!

Gaia no longer likes links in posts without quotes in them.

[alligator saurus]

NOTE: For the people saying that Bush could have prevent 9/11. He couldn't. He could have listen to the FEMA reports but the didn't say the most important information you need to stop a attack. What is that. The liberals ask. stressed
WHEN
WHERE
HOW.
We didn't know that so how could we stop them, but wait one attack was prevented that day. Flight 98 took over the plane losing there lives but saving many other lives, because they knew what was going one