Dumbing Down Video Games

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You, are the reason I do that... You are making your own definition to it, you even admit it in your own posts. You can't interpret this different when you do it collapses on itself.

Its not another definition for it, its the way I view it. How does that make it collapse on itself?

And I take other peoples statement and views into consideration, and I accept them.

Again I apologize, maybe I'm just bullheaded or stupid or both.

"I hate to view girls that play JRPGs the same as me"

Again how? They play the games just as long as you do sometimes. I like JRPGs but that isn't why I got to you on this its because of the separation . by the way you view your definition they should be included yet you don't accept it. That is forming your own definition not interpreting.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Forming
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/interpreting

Interpreting is using what is in the structure already and since the structure already includes them, if you block anything from not being in the structure you are creating something and putting contradictions in the definitions.

Like I stated in that same comment, I don't want to be compared to people who only play one genre.

And how am I so supposed to keep my own opinion if keep accepting everyone elses as my own.

I accept their views as being plausible and bring them into consideration when forming my own opinion.

I mean, when everyone states their opinion to you, are you supposed to automatically change your views to fit theirs?

I'm sorry I think I should better explain the type of people I don't want to be compared to.

Such as, fangirls who just buy a certain video game because it has their favorite manga or anime and thats all they play. I don't want to be grouped in with them.

The definition still groups them in as long as they play the game alot. read above. you are being immature. At first I wasn't offended, but now I am. You are one definition of hardcore, unwilling to change. You keep thinking. I'm going to go. congratulations you are actually the first person to accomplish what even trolls haven't in a long time. You have gotten me frustrated, and while that may seem childish. I'm just saying you have, I do not hate you. I just wish that you would read back through my words and get it. I'm leaving now, because I do not want this to last 50 pages. This is something that should have been settled long ago and there are multiple people talking.

[Scarlet Bomber]

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Hardcore: being so without apparent change or remedy; chronic: hard-core inflation; hard-core unemployment.

If your hardcore, you will only play the NES pong, never moving on.

If you think Majora's Mask and OoT were hard, you have problems. Maybe you just think that it's harder because of the, "LOLOLOL I LUV GMEZ EVRY1 ELS LUVS MY p***s IS HUGE."

Play the original LoZ.

Thank you, I noticed the typo post-post

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Nightfire666

The way I see it, hardcore is like classifying what "kind" of a gamer someone is, which, from what I have seen and interpreted, is often thought of as a sub/category of the latter. But, if you will, pretend the two have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other, other than having to do with video gaming. Now, to say that someone is "hardcore" is a sort of comparison, because if everyone were that, "hardcore" would lose all of its meaning. If no one were "hardcore", it would not exist, so you need another thing to compare it to. Now, in other things, it could take different meanings, but within the context of video games, it needs to be compared to one of three measurements, minimum; less than/equal to/greater than. Otherwise, it doesn't really have a meaning, and it is just an empty word with no significance to anything, anywhere, whatsoever.

So, in video games, it comes down to this; devotion and skill. So, the only way to compare is to take someone who is equally/less/more devoted/skilled to another person, and compare how much skill and devotion they have to gaming. After you find that one person is more/equally devoted, you have only three results; less devoted/equally devoted/more devoted. It doesn't matter how much more or less someone is devoted, the results will always end with one of those three. There is no true meaning of "hardcore", as it comes down to those forms of comparison. You strip down the different opinions of the word "hardcore", it always comes to those two terms and their meanings, combined to make the answer.

And then you can add in the ideas of classifications, but unless someone has never played any genre of game, except for one, you can't really classify them as an "RPG Gamer", or a "FPS Gamer", as they have played another game type, so it comes down to a familiar term, devotion. Devotion to a certain genre, and therefore, you can't really classify them as such, as they just have a preference to a certain kind of game. Therefore, hardcore becomes invalid there, as well.

Now, here is the part where I contradict myself. Under the dictionary entry for hardcore, you get three definitions; 1: Unswervingly committed; uncompromising; dedicated. 2: Explicit. 3: Being so without apparent change or remedy. The important one to pay attention to is Definition 1. you could compare someone's devotion to gaming as "hardcore", in the way that it is somewhat of a drug to them, and that they devote a good chunk of their time to it, and in that form, they can be considered a "hardcore" gamer. Or they do something "explicit" with their games.

As for the topic, sure, it comes down to money, and much of their audiences starting out with newer games and systems earlier than others, as well as this being an age of "dumbing down" many aspects of life, but faulty programming can also be considered as an aspect. You add in shitty AI, don't do proper bug-testing and such, and you could very-well end up with a game that seems easier than it was intended. Time and money constraints need to be acknowledged in times of "financial decline", as well as a team of people who are idiots, although that seems to mostly fall under administrative duties.

Ironically I would like you to dumb that down for me.

I'm having a hard time understanding what your point is?

[The Enforcer666]

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The Enforcer666

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Novemberists

Hardcore in general doesn't exist. The term itself is a ridiculous title people use so they can make their E- p***s larger.

But I don't have a p***s... and I aspire to be a "hardcore" gamer.

But if not hardcore, what would you call someone who has the "talent" or ability to play video games well and in a large amount.

Either a gamer or someone who lacks a life perhaps? You shouldn't have a need to label yourself anyways. And even if you did, Hardcore gamer? Seriously? Why not just say I'm a douchebag with security problems so I must justify my small pee pee by saying I'm ******** better than you will ever be.

Not trying to be mean or anything, just callsit as I seesit 3nodding

I'm sorry you have such negative views on "hardcore" gamer (I dont even know why I bother to quote that damn thing anyways) But I guess in the end it is because you want to be better than everyone else, but I still say its a privilege and something to work towards. Not something to slap in someones face.

Oh, don't worry! I really respect every ones views, and im trying to understand them, if you call it mean, I say its to the point, thank you so much for your comments and views ;w;

As someone else said, Hardcore gamers=Elitist scum. Hell, I just got done talking to a friend that has never played a FPS but she started learning from "pro gamers". I wanted to cry a little cause she knows better than that.

I want to be better than everyone else but that ain't gunna happen. So I just play the video games and have a great time doing it. THAT is what you should strive for, having fun. Nobody likes a gloater 3nodding

[Aurora Sonata]

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.....uhm, might I know what you found too hard about it?

Real time combat. T。T

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You, are the reason I do that... You are making your own definition to it, you even admit it in your own posts. You can't interpret this different when you do it collapses on itself.

Its not another definition for it, its the way I view it. How does that make it collapse on itself?

And I take other peoples statement and views into consideration, and I accept them.

Again I apologize, maybe I'm just bullheaded or stupid or both.

"I hate to view girls that play JRPGs the same as me"

Again how? They play the games just as long as you do sometimes. I like JRPGs but that isn't why I got to you on this its because of the separation . by the way you view your definition they should be included yet you don't accept it. That is forming your own definition not interpreting.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Forming
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/interpreting

Interpreting is using what is in the structure already and since the structure already includes them, if you block anything from not being in the structure you are creating something and putting contradictions in the definitions.

Like I stated in that same comment, I don't want to be compared to people who only play one genre.

And how am I so supposed to keep my own opinion if keep accepting everyone elses as my own.

I accept their views as being plausible and bring them into consideration when forming my own opinion.

I mean, when everyone states their opinion to you, are you supposed to automatically change your views to fit theirs?

But it still fits your definition.

This isn't a belief though, a definition is a fact. That is what you don't get, you can't change facts unless they are disproved.

A definition is to make something distinct the characteristics, of something. You are only adding complications.

"My" definition? I still don't understand how you can compare my interpretation of a definition, as a definition.

I know what a definition is, and I know that my interpretation is not a definition.

I'm confused as what you want me to do? You want me to stop interpreting the definition of hardcore and accept everyone elses?

Yes! because you are not interpreting anything! You are forming.

A definition is a fact not a belief If a person says apple and points to a tree does that make a tree an apple?

You are the person saying the tree is an apple.

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You, are the reason I do that... You are making your own definition to it, you even admit it in your own posts. You can't interpret this different when you do it collapses on itself.

Its not another definition for it, its the way I view it. How does that make it collapse on itself?

And I take other peoples statement and views into consideration, and I accept them.

Again I apologize, maybe I'm just bullheaded or stupid or both.

"I hate to view girls that play JRPGs the same as me"

Again how? They play the games just as long as you do sometimes. I like JRPGs but that isn't why I got to you on this its because of the separation . by the way you view your definition they should be included yet you don't accept it. That is forming your own definition not interpreting.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Forming
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/interpreting

Interpreting is using what is in the structure already and since the structure already includes them, if you block anything from not being in the structure you are creating something and putting contradictions in the definitions.

Like I stated in that same comment, I don't want to be compared to people who only play one genre.

And how am I so supposed to keep my own opinion if keep accepting everyone elses as my own.

I accept their views as being plausible and bring them into consideration when forming my own opinion.

I mean, when everyone states their opinion to you, are you supposed to automatically change your views to fit theirs?

I'm sorry I think I should better explain the type of people I don't want to be compared to.

Such as, fangirls who just buy a certain video game because it has their favorite manga or anime and thats all they play. I don't want to be grouped in with them.

The definition still groups them in as long as they play the game alot. read above. you are being immature. At first I wasn't offended, but now I am. You are one definition of hardcore, unwilling to change. You keep thinking. I'm going to go. congratulations you are actually the first person to accomplish what even trolls haven't in a long time. You have gotten me frustrated, and while that may seem childish. I'm just saying you have, I do not hate you. I just wish that you would read back through my words and get it. I'm leaving now, because I do not want this to last 50 pages. This is something that should have been settled long ago and there are multiple people talking.

I'm sorry to have gotten you to this point, and thankyou for your comments throughout the forum. Still confused as to some certain things but i'd rather not upset or frustrate you further. Thankyou for everything.

[The Enforcer666]

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Hardcore doesn't exist.

That said, difficulty is up to interpretation. Do you consider the Gamecube version of the OoT game more difficult? I find it easier.

Nope, I found it to be equally as boringyou've just been trolled[>_<]

I'm not a big fan of many of these newer games. Most do not present a adequate challenge. The only way for them to be...."difficult" is if there is a flaw in them, be it camera issues or control problems. I beat Ghostbusters in a few days and I thought it was going to be longer. Hell, there is a part in the graveyard that's twice as challenging than the rest of the game AND the end boss put together.

But there is a difference from difficult and just plain annoying

You missed my point. I said that cause if a game is "perfect" then it should have a degree of difficulty... which a ton of games lack. But if you have to fight with everything then yeah, it's kinda hard. Prime example is Kya: Dark Linage. Jesus Crespo that game was fun. A bit on the easy side but still fun as hell. But because of the bad camera, it made the game a challenge, which wasn't a bad thing. Hell, I actually welcomed it with open arms. It gave me something to fight with.

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, like I dont think just because the camera angle or targeting system so is incredibly stupid that the game should be considered difficult.

Once again, a bad camera isn't necessarily a bad thing, just the bad stuff shouldn't be the reason why a game gets hard.

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But I never played ghostbusters sweatdrop I'm really too much of a panzy when it comes to stuff like that.

Picture Gears of War....but with ghosts. And instead of the Lancer, you got a Proton Pack...which is better than the Lancer anyways sweatdrop It's a somewhat easy game with a hard as balls part. I really recommend playing it.

Oh, thankyou for clarifying that for me.

Hmm...rent or buy?

Depends really. I bought it first day and beat it a few days afterwards. There really is no replay value except to get all the trophies/achievements. But I kept it with intentions on beating it again on a harder difficulty to see how much worse well I do. Many people have criticized it but I still love it. Then of course, I Ghostbusters

That said, rent it to see if it's your cup of tea. If you dig it then hit it with a wiffleball bat 3nodding

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Scarlet Bomber

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Hardcore: being so without apparent change or remedy; chronic: hard-core inflation; hard-core unemployment.

If your hardcore, you will only play the NES pong, never moving on.

If you think Majora's Mask and OoT were hard, you have problems. Maybe you just think that it's harder because of the, "LOLOLOL I LUV GMEZ EVRY1 ELS LUVS MY p***s IS HUGE."

Play the original LoZ.

Thank you, I noticed the typo post-post[/quote

The OoT and Majora's Mask were not hard, and i'm comparing Twilight Princess to them, don't you think theres something wrong there.

And yes I have played the original.

[The Canady Man]

Well, by the dictionary definitions of the word 'hardcore', it could really only be used as a way to state that someone dedicates a decent amount of their time to video gaming, thus fitting one of the "properly" recognized definitions. But there is also the need to compare. Hardcore wouldn't be hardcore, unless there was a norm, which, really, there is none. So, by comparison, it wouldn't come down to "This person is a hardcore gamer, this person isn't," it would come down to "This person devotes more of their time and has more skill in the way of gaming than this person." This doesn't mean that the other person is suddenly any less of a gamer. That was my point.

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The Enforcer666

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Nope, I found it to be equally as boringyou've just been trolled[>_<]

I'm not a big fan of many of these newer games. Most do not present a adequate challenge. The only way for them to be...."difficult" is if there is a flaw in them, be it camera issues or control problems. I beat Ghostbusters in a few days and I thought it was going to be longer. Hell, there is a part in the graveyard that's twice as challenging than the rest of the game AND the end boss put together.

But there is a difference from difficult and just plain annoying

You missed my point. I said that cause if a game is "perfect" then it should have a degree of difficulty... which a ton of games lack. But if you have to fight with everything then yeah, it's kinda hard. Prime example is Kya: Dark Linage. Jesus Crespo that game was fun. A bit on the easy side but still fun as hell. But because of the bad camera, it made the game a challenge, which wasn't a bad thing. Hell, I actually welcomed it with open arms. It gave me something to fight with.

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, like I dont think just because the camera angle or targeting system so is incredibly stupid that the game should be considered difficult.

Once again, a bad camera isn't necessarily a bad thing, just the bad stuff shouldn't be the reason why a game gets hard.

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But I never played ghostbusters sweatdrop I'm really too much of a panzy when it comes to stuff like that.

Picture Gears of War....but with ghosts. And instead of the Lancer, you got a Proton Pack...which is better than the Lancer anyways sweatdrop It's a somewhat easy game with a hard as balls part. I really recommend playing it.

Oh, thankyou for clarifying that for me.

Hmm...rent or buy?

Depends really. I bought it first day and beat it a few days afterwards. There really is no replay value except to get all the trophies/achievements. But I kept it with intentions on beating it again on a harder difficulty to see how much worse well I do. Many people have criticized it but I still love it. Then of course, I Ghostbusters

That said, rent it to see if it's your cup of tea. If you dig it then hit it with a wiffleball bat 3nodding

I see, thankyou, I guess i'll like it since I did like the Gears of War Series.

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Nightfire666

Well, by the dictionary definitions of the word 'hardcore', it could really only be used as a way to state that someone dedicates a decent amount of their time to video gaming, thus fitting one of the "properly" recognized definitions. But there is also the need to compare. Hardcore wouldn't be hardcore, unless there was a norm, which, really, there is none. So, by comparison, it wouldn't come down to "This person is a hardcore gamer, this person isn't," it would come down to "This person devotes more of their time and has more skill in the way of gaming than this person." This doesn't mean that the other person is suddenly any less of a gamer. That was my point.

Thankyou, I agree...if i'm understanding this right.

Just because you are hardcore does not mean you are any less of a gamer.

[The Canady Man]

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Nightfire666

Well, by the dictionary definitions of the word 'hardcore', it could really only be used as a way to state that someone dedicates a decent amount of their time to video gaming, thus fitting one of the "properly" recognized definitions. But there is also the need to compare. Hardcore wouldn't be hardcore, unless there was a norm, which, really, there is none. So, by comparison, it wouldn't come down to "This person is a hardcore gamer, this person isn't," it would come down to "This person devotes more of their time and has more skill in the way of gaming than this person." This doesn't mean that the other person is suddenly any less of a gamer. That was my point.

Thankyou, I agree...if i'm understanding this right.

Just because you are hardcore does not mean you are any less of a gamer.

Essentially, yes, that is what it comes down to. The rest of it is just a sense of opinionated bull crap from those fitting within the basis of the term "gamer".

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Nightfire666

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Nightfire666

Well, by the dictionary definitions of the word 'hardcore', it could really only be used as a way to state that someone dedicates a decent amount of their time to video gaming, thus fitting one of the "properly" recognized definitions. But there is also the need to compare. Hardcore wouldn't be hardcore, unless there was a norm, which, really, there is none. So, by comparison, it wouldn't come down to "This person is a hardcore gamer, this person isn't," it would come down to "This person devotes more of their time and has more skill in the way of gaming than this person." This doesn't mean that the other person is suddenly any less of a gamer. That was my point.

Thankyou, I agree...if i'm understanding this right.

Just because you are hardcore does not mean you are any less of a gamer.

Essentially, yes, that is what it comes down to. The rest of it is just a sense of opinionated bull crap from those fitting within the basis of the term "gamer".

Actually she got it wrong again.

She is attaching to much on the hardcore part. Its being hardcore doesn't make the gamers any less of a gamer. >>