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other highly developed countries? I don't think it's because of the Puritans. Europe used to be very devout around the same time, but they've become lax. Why hasn't the U.S?

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other highly developed countries? I don't think it's because of the Puritans. Europe used to be very devout around the same time, but they've become lax. Why hasn't the U.S?

Please don't quote the OP. smile
Why hasn't the US become less devout? Because Republicans in congress, and in each state keep fighting to ensure that education never catches up to the rest of the world. The Uneducated are more likely to be religious. And Republicans in power want the masses to remain uneducated so that they can maintain their money and power and keep the masses beneath them.
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other highly developed countries? I don't think it's because of the Puritans. Europe used to be very devout around the same time, but they've become lax. Why hasn't the U.S?

Please don't quote the OP. smile
Why hasn't the US become less devout? Because Republicans in congress, and in each state keep fighting to ensure that education never catches up to the rest of the world. The Uneducated are more likely to be religious. And Republicans in power want the masses to remain uneducated so that they can maintain their money and power and keep the masses beneath them.

Why did you quote the OP?
It is the product of fleeing for religious freedom.
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Protestant work ethic lent itself very handily to capitalism, which was reinforced through homesteading as opposed challenged to socialist revolution (which was also hindered by the general anti-Catholic nature of the US). Combine that with Manifest Destiny and American exceptionalism, you have a nation which believed it was God's gift to Earth. Then considering its ascension to number one world power after the Second World War and all the belief about divine American superiority was concreted.
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It is the product of fleeing for religious freedom.

But why didn't America become less devout the way Europe did? It's not like religious Europeans were fleeing atheist countries.
HMS Thunder Child
Protestant work ethic lent itself very handily to capitalism, which was reinforced through homesteading as opposed challenged to socialist revolution (which was also hindered by the general anti-Catholic nature of the US). Combine that with Manifest Destiny and American exceptionalism, you have a nation which believed it was God's gift to Earth. Then considering its ascension to number one world power after the Second World War and all the belief about divine American superiority was concreted.

Do you think the Moral Majority as something to do with it too?
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It is the product of fleeing for religious freedom.

But why didn't America become less devout the way Europe did? It's not like religious Europeans were fleeing atheist countries.


The founding principles of European countries are less often those of religious grounding.
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It is the product of fleeing for religious freedom.

But why didn't America become less devout the way Europe did? It's not like religious Europeans were fleeing atheist countries.


The founding principles of European countries are less often those of religious grounding.

But the founding principles are America are? Exactly which Judeo-Christian principles was America founded on?
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It is the product of fleeing for religious freedom.

But why didn't America become less devout the way Europe did? It's not like religious Europeans were fleeing atheist countries.


The founding principles of European countries are less often those of religious grounding.

But the founding principles are America are? Exactly which Judeo-Christian principles was America founded on?


I don't recall saying they were. The founding principles of America were those of religious freedom, secularism, and freedom of practice in spite of the beliefs of third parties. When the base of a country is as such, it is a recipe for religious longevity.
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It is the product of fleeing for religious freedom.

But why didn't America become less devout the way Europe did? It's not like religious Europeans were fleeing atheist countries.


The founding principles of European countries are less often those of religious grounding.

But the founding principles are America are? Exactly which Judeo-Christian principles was America founded on?


I don't recall saying they were. The founding principles of America were those of religious freedom, secularism, and freedom of practice in spite of the beliefs of third parties. When the base of a country is as such, it is a recipe for religious longevity.

I was just asking if you think America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, as a lot of people do. And if you did, to tell me which ones. Not that you actually said it was.
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Protestant work ethic lent itself very handily to capitalism, which was reinforced through homesteading as opposed challenged to socialist revolution (which was also hindered by the general anti-Catholic nature of the US). Combine that with Manifest Destiny and American exceptionalism, you have a nation which believed it was God's gift to Earth. Then considering its ascension to number one world power after the Second World War and all the belief about divine American superiority was concreted.

Do you think the Moral Majority as something to do with it too?
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Somewhat, though that also has to do with, I believe, the anti-atheistic trend from the Cold War and the racist nature of the nation. As a country with long standing and clearly drawn (despite the attempts to muddy them) lines of oppression, social conservatism is an obvious continuation long after they've been theoretically declawed. The religious uptrend in the seventies rode in on the coattails of the Southern Strategy, reinvigorating the public arm of the faith.
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It is the product of fleeing for religious freedom.

But why didn't America become less devout the way Europe did? It's not like religious Europeans were fleeing atheist countries.


The founding principles of European countries are less often those of religious grounding.

But the founding principles are America are? Exactly which Judeo-Christian principles was America founded on?


I don't recall saying they were. The founding principles of America were those of religious freedom, secularism, and freedom of practice in spite of the beliefs of third parties. When the base of a country is as such, it is a recipe for religious longevity.

I was just asking if you think America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, as a lot of people do. And if you did, to tell me which ones. Not that you actually said it was.


Above all things, the Founding Fathers were secularists. These "principles" are not, by necessity, Judeo-Christian. They may be found in the Bible, the Torah, the Qu'ran, or most every holy script. They are principles that are logical to come to when the populace has a similar outlook upon what is for a common good.
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The reason the United States is still highly religious compared to Western and Northern Europe is because the United States is not joined at the hip with the church like in Europe. The Protestant Reformation was suppose to free the people from the power of the Catholic church, and allow us to create a more personal relationship with God. Yet, in those European countries that adopted Protestantism such as England for example, they established their own state-run churches that wielded political power just as the Catholic church had. Even non-members had to pay taxes to those state-run churches. And over time, those churches declined in membership and led to the rise in secularism in Western and Northern Europe.

No one wants to attend churches run by the state after all. The state corrupts religion by intertwining it with politics and you end up with political ideology wrapped in the guise of religion. It is the same reason that liberal denominations are on the decline in the United States, while evangelical denominations are on the rise. People attend churches, become followers of religion to be closer with God, and learn the text and understand His teachings. They do not go to hear someone lecture why it is Christian to promote social justice and champion gay marriage, things most Christians do not support anyways. People want true religion, and it is impossible to have when the state runs the churches and in a way sets the agenda.

It is the reason that we in the United States do not allow for the creation of any state-run church. The United States was founded in part because of religious freedom and religion has always played an important role in our country even today. The Founding Fathers wanted to keep religion pure and not force people of other churches and denominations to pay to one central church they may or may not agree with. We in the United States also have respect for those of other religious faiths because our country was founded by those of numerous faiths. Puritans in Massachusetts, Quakers in Pennsylvania, Catholics in Maryland, and Anglicans in the other colonies. We know how to live in peace with others whether they are Baptists, Catholics, Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs, you name it.

Yes the United States is a predominately Christian country and it always will be. In fact, last year, the growing number of non-religious individuals actually declined. As in a lower number of people in 2012 moved into the non-religious column as compared to the growing number that had preceded it. Our country was founded by men of various Christian beliefs and because we did not go the route of Europe and corrupt our churches, religion continues to be important to us. If you could go to Europe and abolish all of the state-run churches maybe more Europeans, Western and Northern Europeans that is, would be more religious. Not all of Europe is secular now. Poland is still a very Catholic and very devoutly religious county. Catholicism helped bring down atheist communism decades ago. And other European countries such as Romania, Italy, Portugal, Greece, and Ireland still have high religiosity rates too. The lowest rates are all in Protestant countries that adopted their own state-run churches, France being the exception.

And the United States as we know was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Most European countries were not founded on religious principles like ours was, but through political upheavals.
Prince Ikari
People attend churches, become followers of religion to be closer with God, and learn the text and understand His teachings. They do not go to hear someone lecture why it is Christian to promote social justice and champion gay marriage, things most Christians do not support anyways. People want true religion, and it is impossible to have when the state runs the churches and in a way sets the agenda.

As a person who was raised Catholic, politics was intertwined. Every Sunday the priest would talk about abortion and sometimes gay marriage in his homily. They would literally urge us to vote for the pro-life, anti-gay marriage political party.


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And the United States as we known was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

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