Hero Rising
Thank you for that response. You seem very educated on this issue.
Honestly, where on earth have you been for the past 5 years?
When Obama was a senator, he placed a number of gun control laws (and went very far on Chicago). It didn't stop when he became president.
I won't be vague here. Don't worry.
Obama stated in his last debate that he was going to ban all assault weapons from homes. ALL of them. Meaning that only the government and the military were going to have military grade weapons. He uses the words "assault weapons" (which, in the world of guns, is actually only proper when referring to the military).
On LIVE television. In front of our eyes and ears. Me and my father looked at each other and suddenly the election became MUCH more for us.
But obviously, you did not watch the debates.
Here's a direct quote from Obama:
"So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or antitrade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
If that's too vague for you, here's more:
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.”
Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a.
ban the manufacture, sale and possession of
handguns? Yes.
b.
ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Wait! But there's more!
Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He
voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense, but also voted in 2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns.
^
These are just handguns. Not even assault weapons!
Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
THIS MEANS THAT THE COMPANIES WHICH MANUFACTURE GUNS WILL GET ATTACKED WHENEVER SOMEONE IS SHOT BY A GUN THEY MADE. THIS DESTROYS GUN OWNERSHIP WITH A TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT.
An interview about the assault weapons ban:
KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that’s good enough for Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into.
OBAMA:
Let’s be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.
Now, would you like me to tell you WHY assault weapons are important? Because I can and I will. Anyone who does not understand the philosophy behind assault weapons needs a bit of education on the founding fathers and why they states all arms for all men, not to be infringed.
If Obama does not understand the value of having equal arms with the government and the military, then his understanding on the value of the constitution is not suitable for any government seat.
But would you like some more proof?
Actually yes, because all of that bullshit you said is irrelevant.
I asked you this:
Hawanja, because I am awesome
Please tell me, which policy has Obama enacted, EXACTLY, which has curtailed second amendment rights in any way?
So let's see what of what you posted actually fits that criteria.
Hero Rising
Honestly, where on earth have you been for the past 5 years? When Obama was a senator, he placed a number of gun control laws (and went very far on Chicago). It didn't stop when he became president.
What laws, exactly, has Obama "placed" as president? First off, how the ******** exactly does the president "place" a law? I thought like that both houses of congress had to pass something, then the president had to sign it? Which laws exactly did Obama sign,
AS PRESIDENT - because s**t he did as a senator doesn't ******** count as to his presidential record - that have curtailed second amendment rights?
Please tell me the exact law, and link me to the exact text of the law if possible.
Hero Rising
"So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or antitrade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Irrelevant - Direct quotes are not laws. Doesn't matter what he personally thinks, this does not change the law. I asked you for the exact bills he signed into law which takes away yer guns. Please learn how to answer the questions you are asked and not try to buffer with irrelevant bullshit.
Hero Rising
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.”
Once again, irrelevant. What document was this exactly? Was it a bill that he signed into law as president? No?
THEN IT'S NOT RELEVANT TO THE CONVERSATION. I put that in caps and in bold so you can imagine me yelling it into your ear. I asked you for laws he signed as president. Learn how to read please.
Hero Rising
Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:
Oh, so it was a document when he was running to be a state senator? So he wasn't even part of the government then, yes? Back in 1996? I guess that means it wasn't a law he signed as president, yes? Know what that means? It means this little tidbit of bullshit is irrelevant.
Hero Rising
Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense, but also voted in 2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns.
^These are just handguns. Not even assault weapons!
First off, this happened in 2000 and 2004, which means that,
again, it's not a law he signed as president,
thus again, it's irrelevant. Secondly it shows that you're not even reading this s**t yourself before you copy and paste it, else you would have seen this line:
Quote:
but also voted in 2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns.
As you have written it means he voted to ALLOW this, not BAN it. It's called "reading comprehension." You learned it in grammar school. I'm sure you can remember. I know 7th grade was like two years ago for you, just try real, real, real, real hard.
You may have noticed I'm being kind of an a*****e to you in this post. It's because I have no ******** patience for people who copy and paste stupid bullshit to support their idiotic childish political views without even ******** reading it first. If you're gonna post this s**t, at least like, glance over it for a couple of minutes.
Hero Rising
Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
"Principles he supports" are not laws which he has signed to curtail gun rights. Also you'll notice that none of those actually would result in you getting your guns taken away. Irrelevant.
Hero Rising
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
So this is actually a bill, which he has signed into law as president? Really? Can you tell me the actual name of this bill? Link me to the text? Who cosponsored it? When did he sign it, exactly?
And please explain to me how the text above would "destroy gun ownership?" It sounds to me all it does it keep them from being sued, and ban armor piercing rounds. I'm sure the police would like that.
Hero Rising
KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that’s good enough for Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into.
OBAMA: Let’s be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.
Once again, this is something he said in an interview, not a law that congress passed and he signed as president. Thusfar you have given me absolutely nothing to back you up when you said "My rights have been challenged." Remember that? In order for your rights to have been challenged, a law has to be passed in order to actually challenge your rights.
In conclusion:
- Pieces of paper he signed as a senator which have no legal binding are irrelevant.
- Quotes from Obama are irrelevant.
- Bills he co-sponsored before he was president are irrelevant.
- Voting to let ex-police officers carry handguns are irrelevant, especially since that's an expansion of gun rights, not a curtailment.
- Principles he supports on gun control but he hasn't enacted into law are irrelevant.
- Things he said during interviews with Allen Keyes are not relevant.
I asked you for specific policies which Obama has enacted since becoming president that have curtailed your second amendment rights. Stop trying to skirt by with stupid irrelevant bullshit and answer the question.
I want the specific laws, the specific details, and links to the text. Do this or GTFO.
