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As a prior service member of the US Army, i completely agree with the OP and fully support it.


Well, I invite you then to answer the same question I gave to the OP, which is this:

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Please tell me, which policy has Obama enacted, EXACTLY, which has curtailed second amendment rights in any way?


I'm sure you're probably better informed than he appears to be.
I don't care enough about Obama to follow up on his policies (unless I miraculously stumble on something). Mainly, I agree with the OP that the US citizens have the right to bear arms towards an oppressing government.


That doesn't help your argument at all...
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As a prior service member of the US Army, i completely agree with the OP and fully support it.


Well, I invite you then to answer the same question I gave to the OP, which is this:

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Please tell me, which policy has Obama enacted, EXACTLY, which has curtailed second amendment rights in any way?


I'm sure you're probably better informed than he appears to be.
I don't care enough about Obama to follow up on his policies (unless I miraculously stumble on something). Mainly, I agree with the OP that the US citizens have the right to bear arms towards an oppressing government.


That doesn't help your argument at all...
My argument was that I'm pro-2nd Amendment, regardless of whatever policies the President decides to enact.
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As a prior service member of the US Army, i completely agree with the OP and fully support it.


Well, I invite you then to answer the same question I gave to the OP, which is this:

Quote:
Please tell me, which policy has Obama enacted, EXACTLY, which has curtailed second amendment rights in any way?


I'm sure you're probably better informed than he appears to be.
I don't care enough about Obama to follow up on his policies (unless I miraculously stumble on something). Mainly, I agree with the OP that the US citizens have the right to bear arms towards an oppressing government.


That doesn't help your argument at all...
My argument was that I'm pro-2nd Amendment, regardless of whatever policies the President decides to enact.


That is very stupid.
If gun rights were expanded to a degree, then people (common everyday people) could have an arsenal somewhere within the confines of their house and be able to challenge your rights with the guns you "oh-so-very-much love".

You shouldn't stick to one opinion if you truly want to protect your liberties as well as others.
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As a prior service member of the US Army, i completely agree with the OP and fully support it.


Well, I invite you then to answer the same question I gave to the OP, which is this:

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Please tell me, which policy has Obama enacted, EXACTLY, which has curtailed second amendment rights in any way?


I'm sure you're probably better informed than he appears to be.
I don't care enough about Obama to follow up on his policies (unless I miraculously stumble on something). Mainly, I agree with the OP that the US citizens have the right to bear arms towards an oppressing government.


That doesn't help your argument at all...
My argument was that I'm pro-2nd Amendment, regardless of whatever policies the President decides to enact.


You could at least read the policies to see if they really are threatening your right to guns. To me, you're just going by what people say without checking it out for yourself. You're on the internet right now. It shouldn't be that hard to look it up for yourself instead of putting down something you don't even know about yourself.

So yea, your argument is pretty much obsolete. neutral
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To everyone here, we must never base the rights of the just by the actions of the corrupt. I am a busy individual who did not believe there were so many of those ignorant out there to the reasoning behind the constitution. It truly worries me. I can not argue with all 10 of you, so I'll leave with this.

I refuse, I absolutely refuse, to have my freedoms taken from me because of corrupt individuals. Because in the end of it all, the main philosophy behind all of us is that the rights of the law-abiding matter far more than the actions of the few evil.

I will not give up my military grade rifles, I will not allow the government to have an advantage over me. I will not give up my constitutional rights and I stand firm beside the second amendment. When the whims of the government begin to destroy our livelihoods and our society begins to bleed communism, it will be us, those with weapons, that will stand for you.

I will not apologize for the man who shot up that theater. He is frowned upon by gun owners everywhere. He is not us, and in no way does he represent us.

It's been done before, it can be done again, and it will be done.

Many of you continue to berate me with questions and arguments that I have already answered and completely invalidated for you. Bottom line is this, the fathers knew what they were doing.

Obama needs to respect our constitution. He is not a founding father, and he needs to quit acting as one. Many of you believe he stands for gun rights and that him taking military grade is right, but those of us who are wiser and truly understand the weight of this issue know better. Far better. And I hope you won't face any consequences from this government before you understand the importance of balanced weaponry throughout the society.




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Well, I invite you then to answer the same question I gave to the OP, which is this:



I'm sure you're probably better informed than he appears to be.
I don't care enough about Obama to follow up on his policies (unless I miraculously stumble on something). Mainly, I agree with the OP that the US citizens have the right to bear arms towards an oppressing government.


That doesn't help your argument at all...
My argument was that I'm pro-2nd Amendment, regardless of whatever policies the President decides to enact.


That is very stupid.
If gun rights were expanded to a degree, then people (common everyday people) could have an arsenal somewhere within the confines of their house and be able to challenge your rights with the guns you "oh-so-very-much love".

You shouldn't stick to one opinion if you truly want to protect your liberties as well as others.
I don't care if people have more weapons than Fort Knox - the 2nd Amendment gives permission to civilians to stand against the government when they start taking away rights, not to use said weapons to take away rights from others.
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Well, I invite you then to answer the same question I gave to the OP, which is this:



I'm sure you're probably better informed than he appears to be.
I don't care enough about Obama to follow up on his policies (unless I miraculously stumble on something). Mainly, I agree with the OP that the US citizens have the right to bear arms towards an oppressing government.


That doesn't help your argument at all...
My argument was that I'm pro-2nd Amendment, regardless of whatever policies the President decides to enact.


That is very stupid.
If gun rights were expanded to a degree, then people (common everyday people) could have an arsenal somewhere within the confines of their house and be able to challenge your rights with the guns you "oh-so-very-much love".

You shouldn't stick to one opinion if you truly want to protect your liberties as well as others.
I don't care if people have more weapons than Fort Knox - the 2nd Amendment gives permission to civilians to stand against the government when they start taking away rights, not to use said weapons to take away rights from others.


Where your patriots in the fight for abolishment of slavery and struggle for suffrage rights? Those were rights that should have been there to begin with that the government (specifically state governments) weren't allowing. Segregation didn't fully end until the 70s because not all schools supported it.

The amount of guns does matter. If everyone can own guns then we will see a rise in crime. The same can be said for the opposite if people have no guns.

The key point against every pro-gun advocate is that certain guns only belong to certain groups. Military grade weapons belong to military personnel. Hunting and sports weapons belong to civilians that enjoy and participate in that hobby.

On top of that, laws with guns do need to be strict to scare away all irresponsible and indecisive consumers. Only the true gun enthusiasts would own guns then after getting the appropriate registration and license.
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To everyone here, we must never base the rights of the just by the actions of the corrupt.
That's absurdly narrow minded.
In any decision, you have to take the positive and compare it to the negative.
On the positive side of having firearms legal, you've got..... Basically nothing. If you try to rebel using the fact that you have simple guns won't work 'cause the government would wreck you with drones, or tanks(I bet you don't have any anti-tank rifles.... Well, in the very least it would be really weird if you did), or any number of things.
In terms of personal safety they actually put you in more danger than they prevent.
And they open up a whole slew of potential needless crimes that we don't need to empower.


There's basically no reason for guns to be legal for civilians. All it does is promote violence.
You aren't taking away the government's advantage over you by having a military rifle. They have better ones. Ones that are useful for sniping. Ones that go through sheets of metal. Ones that they don't have to actually use themselves. Saying you want a gun to stand up to the united states government is like saying you want a toothpick to stand up against a dragon.
You. Would. Get. Slaughtered.

You will not apologize for the man who shot up the theater, or any of the men who shot up schools. But you will not prevent them from getting the power to do that.

And the constitution was specifically made to change with the times. It is a living document, that's why there's an amendment process. The founding fathers were intelligent, probably enough so to think, "Guns are amazing. They're the best weapons of our time, but they're relatively new. A few hundred years ago we were fighting with pointy metal sticks and bows and arrows. A few hundred years in the future, we have no idea whatsoever what the best form of weaponry is. We're going to put in the right to bear arms, because it would be effective in this day and age, and civilians holding guns isn't a bad thing because they're generally these gigantic slow firing weapons, and they're the only way for us to fight wars right now."

Right now?
Guns are powerful. They pale in comparison to fighter jets, tanks, drones, and all the like. If the founding fathers had written the constitution today, they probably wouldn't give civilians gun rights, they'd probably make it so that it was illegal to disarm any individual state's personal military.

To this date, you seem to have given up on the thought of using them for personal defense, and are now claiming that guns would allow you to defend your own rights.
They wouldn't. You're up in arms against something that isn't even happening and you can't give one realistic reason for it to not happen if it ever was going to.
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Hello, sorry to interrupt everyone. but would this be a constitutional issue?
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I knew this kid named Max, he used to get fat stacks out on the corner with drugs.
He liked to hang out late.
He liked to get s**t faced and keep pace with thugs.
Until... Late one night, there was a big gun fight. Max lost his head.
He pulled out his chrome 45. Talked some s**t!
Wound up dead.




Now his wife and his kids are caught in the midst of all this pain.
You know, it crumbles that way. At least, that's what they say when you play the game.
But god forbid you ever had to wake up and hear the news.
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to lose.
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I knew this kid named Max, he used to get fat stacks out on the corner with drugs.
He liked to hang out late.
He liked to get s**t faced and keep pace with thugs.
Until... Late one night, there was a big gun fight. Max lost his head.
He pulled out his chrome 45. Talked some s**t!
Wound up dead.




Now his wife and his kids are caught in the midst of all this pain.
You know, it crumbles that way. At least, that's what they say when you play the game.
But god forbid you ever had to wake up and hear the news.
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to lose.


Oh...I KNOW what its like to lose. Dont even go there because thats not what were here to discuss.
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I knew this kid named Max, he used to get fat stacks out on the corner with drugs.
He liked to hang out late.
He liked to get s**t faced and keep pace with thugs.
Until... Late one night, there was a big gun fight. Max lost his head.
He pulled out his chrome 45. Talked some s**t!
Wound up dead.




Now his wife and his kids are caught in the midst of all this pain.
You know, it crumbles that way. At least, that's what they say when you play the game.
But god forbid you ever had to wake up and hear the news.
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to lose.


Oh...I KNOW what its like to lose. Dont even go there because thats not what were here to discuss.
Respond to singing 'cause you can't actually respond to argument?

Interesting.
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I shoot rifles with my father every weekend. So has been the tradition since I was a young girl. I shoot an AR15 and an AR10, as well as 2 shot guns. When my house was nearly invaded by four men and I was home alone a few months ago, I had nothing but a trusty rifle. It potentially could have saved my life. Thankfully, the men mysteriously left and I called my dad.

I appreciate my 2nd amendment rights.

Now, my rights have been challenged. Obama made it very clear throughout his political career that he believes in extreme gun control, and here in New Jersey, it has gotten very difficult (and expensive) to own military grade weapons. (such as the AR15)

In a recent debate, he stated that he would confiscate all military grade weapons from civilian homes.

This means that the government, the military, and criminals (who dont give two shoots about the law) will be the only people with military grade weapons.

Instead of disarming Iran, he plans on disarming his people.

This reminds me of China in the 50s. The government took all weapons from civilian homes, gave it to the gov and the military. Long story short, 68 million people ended up losing their lives. All leters for help were hidden by the government.

The reason for the 2nd amendment was to protect Americans from the government. The only reason the government would disarm its people is to protect themselves in the case that they abuse their power. (Russia, China....sounds familiar)

There are too many socialist people working with Obama, a self-proclaimed socialist in the senate (elected just this week), and now...this?

The second amendment clearly stated "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed"

I joined the NRA...but what on earth am I going to do? All I see is our filthy government brainwashing the people by giving them whatever they want and slowly taking our rights until...what are we left with?

I plan on allowing the government to pry my weapons from my cold, dead hands....AFTER I fight every day protesting on behalf of our founding fathers.



You obviously know nothing about the US government.
The president is not allowed to make laws. Period.
He can suggest them to the branch...but he doesn't make them.
Go read a ******** history book before you post these pointless threads.
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I knew this kid named Max, he used to get fat stacks out on the corner with drugs.
He liked to hang out late.
He liked to get s**t faced and keep pace with thugs.
Until... Late one night, there was a big gun fight. Max lost his head.
He pulled out his chrome 45. Talked some s**t!
Wound up dead.




Now his wife and his kids are caught in the midst of all this pain.
You know, it crumbles that way. At least, that's what they say when you play the game.
But god forbid you ever had to wake up and hear the news.
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to lose.
Wait, so....
Your defense for anti-gun policies is a song about a dead fictional drug dealer?
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I knew this kid named Max, he used to get fat stacks out on the corner with drugs.
He liked to hang out late.
He liked to get s**t faced and keep pace with thugs.
Until... Late one night, there was a big gun fight. Max lost his head.
He pulled out his chrome 45. Talked some s**t!
Wound up dead.




Now his wife and his kids are caught in the midst of all this pain.
You know, it crumbles that way. At least, that's what they say when you play the game.
But god forbid you ever had to wake up and hear the news.
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to lose.
Wait, so....
Your defense for anti-gun policies is a song about a dead fictional drug dealer?
And you also decide to ignore the normal argument to comment on the song.
I should use music references in more arguments.

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