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"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
Thomas Jefferson (attributed without source)

"Tyranny derives from the oligarchy's mistrust of the people; hence they deprive them of arms, ill-treat the lower class, and keep them from residing in the capital. These are common to oligarchy and tyranny."
Aristotle in Politics (J. Sinclair translation, pg. 218, 1962)

"One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them."

"It is also in the interests of a tyrant to keep his people poor, so that they may not be able to afford the cost of protecting themselves by arms and be so occupied with their daily tasks that they have no time for rebellion."
Aristotle in Politics (J. Sinclair translation, pg. 226, 1962)

"On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invent against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
Thomas Jefferson letter to Justice William Johnson, June 12, 1823

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
Thomas Jefferson

"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state."
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President



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I shoot rifles with my father every weekend. So has been the tradition since I was a young girl. I shoot an AR15 and an AR10, as well as 2 shot guns. When my house was nearly invaded by four men and I was home alone a few months ago, I had nothing but a trusty rifle. It potentially could have saved my life. Thankfully, the men mysteriously left and I called my dad.

I appreciate my 2nd amendment rights.

Now, my rights have been challenged. Obama made it very clear throughout his political career that he believes in extreme gun control, and here in New Jersey, it has gotten very difficult (and expensive) to own military grade weapons. (such as the AR15)

In a recent debate, he stated that he would confiscate all military grade weapons from civilian homes.

This means that the government, the military, and criminals (who dont give two shoots about the law) will be the only people with military grade weapons.

Instead of disarming Iran, he plans on disarming his people.

This reminds me of China in the 50s. The government took all weapons from civilian homes, gave it to the gov and the military. Long story short, 68 million people ended up losing their lives. All leters for help were hidden by the government.

The reason for the 2nd amendment was to protect Americans from the government. The only reason the government would disarm its people is to protect themselves in the case that they abuse their power. (Russia, China....sounds familiar)

There are too many socialist people working with Obama, a self-proclaimed socialist in the senate (elected just this week), and now...this?

The second amendment clearly stated "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed"

I joined the NRA...but what on earth am I going to do? All I see is our filthy government brainwashing the people by giving them whatever they want and slowly taking our rights until...what are we left with?

I plan on allowing the government to pry my weapons from my cold, dead hands....AFTER I fight every day protesting on behalf of our founding fathers.
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I'm very liberal.

But even I believe in the right to bear arms. I've never shot a gun before but I have one to protect my family with.

There are some military grade weapons that should be restricted, however, unless you can prove there is a legitimate reason to have one.
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I'm very liberal.

But even I believe in the right to bear arms. I've never shot a gun before but I have one to protect my family with.

There are some military grade weapon's that should be restricted however, unless you can prove there is a legitimate reason to have one.


I don't believe in grenades and explosives if that's where you're going. Heavy artillery (tanks, trunk-top machines, etc.)

But AK47's, AR15s, (All ARs) and every other rifle (anything semi-auto) should be allowed.

If the government and military together have any advantage over the people, and gun control grows, corruption follows in suit.

This is the original homeland security, part of what makes America great: when the average American citizen is better armed than the soldiers in other countries and we can say "BRING IT ON BRITISH"

Suddenly...homeland security is an issue.
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I'm very liberal.

But even I believe in the right to bear arms. I've never shot a gun before but I have one to protect my family with.

There are some military grade weapon's that should be restricted however, unless you can prove there is a legitimate reason to have one.


I don't believe in grenades and explosives if that's where you're going. Heavy artillery (tanks, trunk-top machines, etc.)

But AK47's, AR15s, (All ARs) and every other rifle (anything semi-auto) should be allowed.

If the government and military together have any advantage over the people, and gun control grows, corruption follows in suit.

This is the original homeland security, part of what makes America great: when the average American citizen is better armed than the soldiers in other countries and we can say "BRING IT ON BRITISH"

Suddenly...homeland security is an issue.


I'm no where near an expert on guns or control on it.

But I fail to see how an AK-47 in our home is more effective against terrorism and takeover than our military's wonderbomb emporium. I have a hunting rifle to protect from intruders and wolves and bears (because I live out in the country) but a military grade AR is pretty ridiculous.

I really would rather not say "Bring it on British." I don't want to taunt or flaunt my weapons, I don't want to encourage dominance but establish equality. I have faith in my military and government to protect me as a citizen. Really if they couldn't I would be smart enough to know I'm royally ******** anyway. AK-47 or not.
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I'm very liberal.

But even I believe in the right to bear arms. I've never shot a gun before but I have one to protect my family with.

There are some military grade weapon's that should be restricted however, unless you can prove there is a legitimate reason to have one.


I don't believe in grenades and explosives if that's where you're going. Heavy artillery (tanks, trunk-top machines, etc.)

But AK47's, AR15s, (All ARs) and every other rifle (anything semi-auto) should be allowed.

If the government and military together have any advantage over the people, and gun control grows, corruption follows in suit.

This is the original homeland security, part of what makes America great: when the average American citizen is better armed than the soldiers in other countries and we can say "BRING IT ON BRITISH"

Suddenly...homeland security is an issue.


I'm no where near an expert on guns or control on it.

But I fail to see how an AK-47 in our home is more effective against terrorism and takeover than our military's wonderbomb emporium. I have a hunting rifle to protect from intruders and wolves and bears (because I live out in the country) but a military grade AR is pretty ridiculous.

I really would rather not say "Bring it on British." I don't want to taunt or flaunt my weapons, I don't want to encourage dominance but establish equality. I have faith in my military and government to protect me as a citizen. Really if they couldn't I would be smart enough to know I'm royally ******** anyway. AK-47 or not.


I'm not suggesting you flaunt weapons (that's actually frowned upon greatly in the world of gun-ownership).

"A military style semiautomatic rifle's main purpose is to defend one's rights and the rights of others. A military style rifle allows common citizens to have at their disposal the same kind of firepower that law enforcement or the military possess to defend their civil rights when the government turns against their freedoms. Now a lot of gun jocks don't have the same kind of training as the average soldier does. There are a large number of veterans in the US population who know how to fight, but those veterans are most likely out of shape. The point is that armed citizens can put up enough of a fight as to make the suppression of their freedoms costly. Americans did this successfully in 1776 against the King's soldiers and could do so again, if need be. "

This is what I meant.
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I shoot rifles with my father every weekend. So has been the tradition since I was a young girl. I shoot an AR15 and an AR10, as well as 2 shot guns. When my house was nearly invaded by four men and I was home alone a few months ago, I had nothing but a trusty rifle. It potentially could have saved my life. Thankfully, the men mysteriously left and I called my dad.

I appreciate my 2nd amendment rights.

Now, my rights have been challenged. Obama made it very clear throughout his political career that he believes in extreme gun control, and here in New Jersey, it has gotten very difficult (and expensive) to own military grade weapons. (such as the AR15)

In a recent debate, he stated that he would confiscate all military grade weapons from civilian homes.

This means that the government, the military, and criminals (who dont give two shoots about the law) will be the only people with military grade weapons.

Instead of disarming Iran, he plans on disarming his people.

This reminds me of China in the 50s. The government took all weapons from civilian homes, gave it to the gov and the military. Long story short, 68 million people ended up losing their lives. All leters for help were hidden by the government.

The reason for the 2nd amendment was to protect Americans from the government. The only reason the government would disarm its people is to protect themselves in the case that they abuse their power. (Russia, China....sounds familiar)

There are too many socialist people working with Obama, a self-proclaimed socialist in the senate (elected just this week), and now...this?

The second amendment clearly stated "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed"

I joined the NRA...but what on earth am I going to do? All I see is our filthy government brainwashing the people by giving them whatever they want and slowly taking our rights until...what are we left with?

I plan on allowing the government to pry my weapons from my cold, dead hands....AFTER I fight every day protesting on behalf of our founding fathers.


Please tell me, which policy has Obama enacted, EXACTLY, which has curtailed second amendment rights in any way?

I have a feeling you'll have difficulty with this, because there is none. Obama has signed no laws or made any executive orders nor enacted any policies which infringe upon second amendment rights whatsoever in his four years in office.

Prove me wrong, Tell me what he's done, exactly, to take away your right to bare arms.

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I was raised around guns. I thoroughly enjoy using them. I've only used them for recreational target shooting which I have been very cautious with to prevent accidents. I have no intention in harming anyone with them but should the day ever come that I am forced to defend my own I would prefer to have a gun rather than a knife or a club that I jury rig.
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You should take the perspective of someone who has had a "military grade weapon" kill someone they love. It is appropriate to take away such weapons to reduce crime and senseless violence.

I believe we should be allowed to protect ourselves, but we must do so diplomatically before other options are considered. Our government and justice system may not be the cleanest, but it is at least something we can work with.
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I live in New Jersey too, I am not republican, but I do believe in the right to bear arms.
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This always bugs the s**t out of me. You know what Obama's done to make owning guns more difficult? Nothing, matter of fact, he's done less than nothing, he's made it easier to carry guns. Before Obama was in office it was illegal to carry guns in national parks and on Amtrak trains. Now it's not. Obama's not going to take away your guns anymore than a squirrel would. you're overreacting because the NRA supports Republicans, even shitty ones like Romney who made it harder to own guns during his role as Governor in Massachusetts, over Democrats, no matter what.
Aside from the fact that hes done jack all to restrict gun ownership you have to face that after a certain point IE owning military grade weapons goes past having them for home defense or hunting and is just a bit ridiculous

and I say this as a man who spent plenty of weekends learning to shoot and hunt from his grandfather and enjoyed every minute of it
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Now, my rights have been challenged. Obama made it very clear throughout his political career that he believes in extreme gun control, and here in New Jersey, it has gotten very difficult (and expensive) to own military grade weapons. (such as the AR15)



Links or it didn't happen.

Oh boo-hoo, you don't want someone taking away your heavy, military grade weaponry. You're more than safe enough with a simple shotgun and pistol, there's no need for overkill.

You like to tout "second amendment rights!" but every time there is a mass slaughter, it's those "second amendment rights" that allow it to happen. Gun control is not gun reclaiming, it's making sure that the second someone loses it they don't have access to things that cause high casualty rates.

Imagine for a moment, if you snapped, do you know how many people would die if you just took those weapons out from your house and started firing at every random person you saw? Sure, you'd be arrested/shot in the end, but you would cause so much pain and death as a result of your actions.

If we had tougher gun control, movie theatre slaughters, columbine massacres, shootings on a whole and mass murder would decrease dramatically.
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Aside from the fact that hes done jack all to restrict gun ownership you have to face that after a certain point IE owning military grade weapons goes past having them for home defense or hunting and is just a bit ridiculous

and I say this as a man who spent plenty of weekends learning to shoot and hunt from his grandfather and enjoyed every minute of it
Depends on what you are defending your home against. Thugs and animals can be dealt with with a pump action, but a corrupt government is more efficiently held at bay with semi automatic rifles.
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That word "socialist" I don't think you know what it means.

You do realize that a majority of USA's Allies are "Socialist Democracies"? I mean come on people are we really so set back in our ways that we compare Socialism to communism? They are 2 completely... Completely different things. Cuba is Communist, Australia is Socialist.

Socialism is mostly, like capitalism, a set of economic plans. While it does have a tendency to be lumped in together with negative things comparing it to communism is like a terrorist comparing Capitalism to Corporate greed its judgmental propaganda.

I have an uncle that practically has a stockpile of weapons... including a military grade Crossbow that has been known in the past to be used on stealth missions. I am a huge supporter of the right to bear arms, but please... I am not worried about tougher laws on Semi-auto weapons. Do you realize how strict the gun control laws are in the UK? Trust me whatever Obama has planned is not going to even pale in comparison to other gun control laws other countries have in place.
10-1 there are more guns than their are people in the United States. People made the same accusations when they said "you need to start registering your guns." They also said the same thing when the government started interfering with family feuds... When they are trying to weaken you for a takeover its not going to be by legal means... and I'm pretty sure that most of our soldiers would kind of rebel against the government if they tried. You'd be surprised how many veterans are huge supporters of the right to bear arms... or rather maybe you wouldn't be do you know how many people with PSTD have a firearm, or for that matter more than one?

I really doubt that Obama is going to cease all semi-auto rifles... more likely he is just going to call for more registering control laws and try to prevent them from getting into the hands of criminals... Our own weapons are very famous among drug cartels.

You won't have to worry about loosing your guns and then if you do loose them fight for them back with a organization like the NRA they are there for a reason.

You are not going to loose the ability to protect yourselves, as well it would severely damage the collection trade if he just suddenly took everyone's military grade weapons... The only people to believe something like this are people that think Fox news is a credible news source... or people that warship the cult of David Icke.
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The Democrats have all but given up on gun control. It's not politically feasible even within their own party, much less the nation, and they know it. The only people who bring up gun control seriously these days are marginalised within their own party and ignored. In other words, I don't give a ******** about what the NRA told you about Obama's evil plot to take your guns. Republicans are simply getting as much use out of this wedge issue relic before they eventually have to give up on it. It's just a tool for firing up a base that's running out of legs to stand on.

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