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 Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:59 pm
Ipoku That would work, but Riku actually never turned into a heartless. His body was taken over by Ansem, and he used dark powers, but that still didn't make him one. He still had a heart, it was just corrupted. Ansem got to it before anything could have happened.
And by Ansem, I mean Xehanort's Heartless, by the way. Darn all that confusing stuff from KH2...>_> I've heard this elsewhere, too. But I have to disagree. I'm not 100% sure exactly how 'Ansem' possessed Riku in the first place, but obviously that happened. But Riku... was well on his way to becoming a Heartless during the first game. I believe Riku -did- turn into a Heartless. ...I feel like beating the game again and listening to the exact wording of things. But Riku basically said he gave his heart into the darkness - he's said that more than once, in all the games, in various ways. From that, I'd say he was a Heartless at one point, and like Sora, changed back. The only problem with the Riku-Heartless theory is the whole Ansem-possession thing. If it weren't for the fact that Riku's voice was overlayed with Ansem's voice from the time he met him onward, we'd be more sure of ourselves. From then on he was less Riku-like. Less and less everytime he spoke, until he was Ansem. So it wasn't giving into the dark, it was giving into Ansem? And Riku struck out against Ansem, trying to hold him back. If it weren't for Ansem - Riku would have become a Heartless. Or maybe he already was, and that's when he decided to become un-heartless. If Riku does have a Nobody, I really want to see it in the third game! Also, my theory on the three people in the secret ending: Remember how two keyblades are needed to seal the door to Kingdom Hearts, the Door to the Light, or whatever you want to call it. One outside and one inside. That's from the first game. Then, in KHII, it takes Riku, Mickey, and Sora to open the door. The three in the secret ending each have keyblades. Face it. They are not Riku, Mickey, and Sora. Definitely a no to the Mickey. They do, however, have their keyblades. They hold them in the same position as our three hereos did, however, when they opened the door in KH2, at the end. They -are- trying to open the door. Think on that. ...Um, whatever. My two..three... um... cents. Meh, it's a nickel. Have a nickel. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:00 pm
HikariAyano Ipoku That would work, but Riku actually never turned into a heartless. His body was taken over by Ansem, and he used dark powers, but that still didn't make him one. He still had a heart, it was just corrupted. Ansem got to it before anything could have happened.
And by Ansem, I mean Xehanort's Heartless, by the way. Darn all that confusing stuff from KH2...>_> I've heard this elsewhere, too. But I have to disagree. I'm not 100% sure exactly how 'Ansem' possessed Riku in the first place, but obviously that happened. But Riku... was well on his way to becoming a Heartless during the first game. I believe Riku -did- turn into a Heartless. ...I feel like beating the game again and listening to the exact wording of things. But Riku basically said he gave his heart into the darkness - he's said that more than once, in all the games, in various ways. From that, I'd say he was a Heartless at one point, and like Sora, changed back. The only problem with the Riku-Heartless theory is the whole Ansem-possession thing. If it weren't for the fact that Riku's voice was overlayed with Ansem's voice from the time he met him onward, we'd be more sure of ourselves. From then on he was less Riku-like. Less and less everytime he spoke, until he was Ansem. So it wasn't giving into the dark, it was giving into Ansem? And Riku struck out against Ansem, trying to hold him back. If it weren't for Ansem - Riku would have become a Heartless. Or maybe he already was, and that's when he decided to become un-heartless. If Riku does have a Nobody, I really want to see it in the third game! Also, my theory on the three people in the secret ending: Remember how two keyblades are needed to seal the door to Kingdom Hearts, the Door to the Light, or whatever you want to call it. One outside and one inside. That's from the first game. Then, in KHII, it takes Riku, Mickey, and Sora to open the door. The three in the secret ending each have keyblades. Face it. They are not Riku, Mickey, and Sora. Definitely a no to the Mickey. They do, however, have their keyblades. They hold them in the same position as our three hereos did, however, when they opened the door in KH2, at the end. They -are- trying to open the door. Think on that. ...Um, whatever. My two..three... um... cents. Meh, it's a nickel. Have a nickel. sweatdrop Interesting...I always assumed Riku didn't lose his heart because he said "Gave in to darkness" not "taken by heartless" or even "gave in to heartless". But given the idea that without Ansem, Riku would have become a Heartless, intorduces the possibility of a heart exchange--like with Sora and Kairi. If Ansem saved Riku, perhaps he did it by transfering his own heart to Riku, and then slowly took him over from the inside? But then, according to the trend, Riku would still have a nobody, since Sora has Roxas....damn. burning_eyes
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:55 pm
Scathach13 There are three two things in particular that really bug me. This is because, while I belive they may provide some clue for KH3, or something along those lines, they are completely ignored, or very nearly so, unlike the whole thing with Sora and the crowns... The first one is the constant repeating image of a star, or stars, in KH2. It's possibly a reference to the worlds, but... It seems a little too simple and explanation. I don't know. I'm not thinking terribly clearly at the moment, honestly... Secondly, is the Unicorn. What Unicorn, you might be asking? Well, throughout all of the Mansion, there are enless UNICORNS... as in EVERYWHERE. And though this could, theoretically, just be a design, I happen to not think that, judging on everything ELSE that was there... ie, Namine's drawings and the paintings scatered outside in the hallway that show various clues, not unlike the drawings in the Secret Place. Just saying... There are things we haven't really talked about. And what IS the deal with Sora's crown-thing, anyway? And, what about... well, everything...? i'd like to say that the stars represented, at least in the first game, the ones that wwere disappearing in the sky. that's what i think. mickey knew that the heartless were back when he noticed the stars dying or fading away or something. so, that may answer your question.
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:44 pm
Special_Meatloaf HikariAyano Ipoku That would work, but Riku actually never turned into a heartless. His body was taken over by Ansem, and he used dark powers, but that still didn't make him one. He still had a heart, it was just corrupted. Ansem got to it before anything could have happened.
And by Ansem, I mean Xehanort's Heartless, by the way. Darn all that confusing stuff from KH2...>_> I've heard this elsewhere, too. But I have to disagree. I'm not 100% sure exactly how 'Ansem' possessed Riku in the first place, but obviously that happened. But Riku... was well on his way to becoming a Heartless during the first game. I believe Riku -did- turn into a Heartless. ...I feel like beating the game again and listening to the exact wording of things. But Riku basically said he gave his heart into the darkness - he's said that more than once, in all the games, in various ways. From that, I'd say he was a Heartless at one point, and like Sora, changed back. The only problem with the Riku-Heartless theory is the whole Ansem-possession thing. If it weren't for the fact that Riku's voice was overlayed with Ansem's voice from the time he met him onward, we'd be more sure of ourselves. From then on he was less Riku-like. Less and less everytime he spoke, until he was Ansem. So it wasn't giving into the dark, it was giving into Ansem? And Riku struck out against Ansem, trying to hold him back. If it weren't for Ansem - Riku would have become a Heartless. Or maybe he already was, and that's when he decided to become un-heartless. If Riku does have a Nobody, I really want to see it in the third game! Also, my theory on the three people in the secret ending: Remember how two keyblades are needed to seal the door to Kingdom Hearts, the Door to the Light, or whatever you want to call it. One outside and one inside. That's from the first game. Then, in KHII, it takes Riku, Mickey, and Sora to open the door. The three in the secret ending each have keyblades. Face it. They are not Riku, Mickey, and Sora. Definitely a no to the Mickey. They do, however, have their keyblades. They hold them in the same position as our three hereos did, however, when they opened the door in KH2, at the end. They -are- trying to open the door. Think on that. ...Um, whatever. My two..three... um... cents. Meh, it's a nickel. Have a nickel. sweatdrop Interesting...I always assumed Riku didn't lose his heart because he said "Gave in to darkness" not "taken by heartless" or even "gave in to heartless". But given the idea that without Ansem, Riku would have become a Heartless, intorduces the possibility of a heart exchange--like with Sora and Kairi. If Ansem saved Riku, perhaps he did it by transfering his own heart to Riku, and then slowly took him over from the inside? But then, according to the trend, Riku would still have a nobody, since Sora has Roxas....damn. burning_eyes Screw that theory, guys. I just remembered that "Ansem" is actually "Xehanort's Heartless" meaning that he had no heart to exchange. sigh, and I though I was on to something... emo
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:19 pm
The secret pace has a whole bunch of kh2 AND kh1 spoilers,
like:
! a picture of donald (avery demonic looking one....)
2. a chokobo with an X on it (well, you know.)
3. pm me i'll tell you where to look.
p.s i love pm's random p.m's (actualy i don't give a rat's hat, PM ME PEOPLE!)
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:35 pm
muushi-chan The secret pace has a whole bunch of kh2 AND kh1 spoilers,
like:
! a picture of donald (avery demonic looking one....)
2. a chokobo with an X on it (well, you know.)
3. pm me i'll tell you where to look.p.s i love pm's random p.m's (actualy i don't give a rat's hat, PM ME PEOPLE!) In general, the secret place pretty much clues you in on what is going to happen in the game later on. Like on one side, there are hearts, diamonds, spades, and clubs which tell you about Wonderland. Another, there are tombstones and ghosts and one big ghost showing you about Halloween town. And there are others like it too, but about KHII stuff I'm not sure about.
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:15 pm
HikariAyano Ipoku That would work, but Riku actually never turned into a heartless. His body was taken over by Ansem, and he used dark powers, but that still didn't make him one. He still had a heart, it was just corrupted. Ansem got to it before anything could have happened.
And by Ansem, I mean Xehanort's Heartless, by the way. Darn all that confusing stuff from KH2...>_> I've heard this elsewhere, too. But I have to disagree. I'm not 100% sure exactly how 'Ansem' possessed Riku in the first place, but obviously that happened. But Riku... was well on his way to becoming a Heartless during the first game. I believe Riku -did- turn into a Heartless. ...I feel like beating the game again and listening to the exact wording of things. But Riku basically said he gave his heart into the darkness - he's said that more than once, in all the games, in various ways. From that, I'd say he was a Heartless at one point, and like Sora, changed back. The only problem with the Riku-Heartless theory is the whole Ansem-possession thing. If it weren't for the fact that Riku's voice was overlayed with Ansem's voice from the time he met him onward, we'd be more sure of ourselves. From then on he was less Riku-like. Less and less everytime he spoke, until he was Ansem. So it wasn't giving into the dark, it was giving into Ansem? And Riku struck out against Ansem, trying to hold him back. If it weren't for Ansem - Riku would have become a Heartless. Or maybe he already was, and that's when he decided to become un-heartless. If Riku does have a Nobody, I really want to see it in the third game! Also, my theory on the three people in the secret ending: Remember how two keyblades are needed to seal the door to Kingdom Hearts, the Door to the Light, or whatever you want to call it. One outside and one inside. That's from the first game. Then, in KHII, it takes Riku, Mickey, and Sora to open the door. The three in the secret ending each have keyblades. Face it. They are not Riku, Mickey, and Sora. Definitely a no to the Mickey. They do, however, have their keyblades. They hold them in the same position as our three hereos did, however, when they opened the door in KH2, at the end. They -are- trying to open the door. Think on that. ...Um, whatever. My two..three... um... cents. Meh, it's a nickel. Have a nickel. sweatdrop Riku never turned into a heartless. He possesed him because when he was talking to Riku about how Sora's hearts is stronger he told him "Open yourself to the darkness, let your heart, your being become darkness itself." and from there, because Riku did that, Xehonort's heartless was able to posses him. Once again, he just gave into the darkness, he never lost his heart from it. That's how he was able to fight against Xehonort's heartless right after Kairi woke up and Sora became a heartless. Yes, at this point, he wasn't giving into the darkness, he was giving into Xehonort's heartless. His heart belonged to darkness. Yeah the three are definitly not them (it's funny how you say Mickey. Most people would have said Kairi because the figure has a femine shape and all. I give you a star sticker for not saying her! ^_^). But it's switched. The figure who has the Kingdom Key (it would be the Sora of the group) stands in the middle, then the figue which has Riku's keyblade is standing on the left side of the middle figure. Riku was standing on Sora's right. And the the fiure with (If you actually look) Mickey's Keyblade is standing on the right. Mickey was on Sora's left. That is something to think about though. I'm still thinking on that. XD Wow I said a lot in this post. XD I'm sorry, it's just I've played this game like, 20 times. XDD So I tend to know a few things on it. ^_^;
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