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lol, all this stuff about gender identity today.
I thought I was a girl when I was a little boy
blaugh I played with barbies and polly-pockets and I even stole my mom's dolls dresses now and then.
There was absoloutley no influnence on me as to that behavior, no older sisters dressing me up, no effeminate father (ANYTHING but effeminate really) No obsessive mother.
And today, I am completely satisfied with being male, and am more comfortable with being one than I can ever honestly imagine being female.
They have done studies on children raised to be the opposite gender, they more often than not desire to be the gender they originally were, gender identity is definitely made up by the person, not the environment.
You can give a girl all the toy trucks you want, don't mean she'll play with them.
(I realized after my post how much this forum is talking about gender lol)
My sister joined the debate with my friend and mentioned a bunch of stuff from her sociology class she just had this semester.
Apparently being born female is one thing, but being taught how to be female is another thing. If a baby girl is always around a mother who wears perfume, the daughter is going to learn that females should smell pretty. If she always put an effort into doing her hair and make up, the child is going to learn that females should look pretty. The same goes for what they wear and what they play with. Essentially she said that a female child will probably recognize that they are a female, but how they act (in the sense of being female) depends on what they see and learn from everyone around them.
I used to always play in the mud and I never cared what I looked like (as far as clothing and what not went) when I was growing up in Germany, but as soon as we moved to the states and I started middle school, wow did the girls in my grade ever make fun of me. I didn't start acting like a girl until I was made fun of for not acting like a girl.
Growing up, I spent much more time with my mother, while my older sister went hunting on weekends with my father. She wore makeup and perfume and dressed pretty.
I am FtM.
Explain how I learned that, then.
Yeah - I've practically never had a man in my life who would have taught me anything, I lack the "male role model" that usually comes in the form of a father or brother or cousin or teacher or whateverthehellyouwill. Overall, I've had very little to do with any men at all so far, and I'm FtM as well.
Same here. Actually, I went through a phase of trying to fitting in with the girls when I was 12-ish. I've always acted like a guy, and have always gotten along with guys easier and had more guys friends, but all my role models have been feminine and/or females. So to say it's environmental, for some people to say it's environmental, it kind of pisses me off. I know it shouldn't, but what they're trying to say is that the way I
think is in a way controlled by others, not how I behave based on the social norm.
Where I was going to middle school the guys were really set apart from the guys socially, but a few of the lesser popular girls (who acted the same, mind you) and guys interacted a bit with both. But the girls all had a set opinion that girls wore dresses, skirts, and skimpy outfits, didn't do any sports, and didn't talk to the guys. So aside from the skimpy clothing, our school was kindergarten throughout all grades.
The point of me bringing that up is that IF is were environmental, I would be wearing what they were, and I would be acting like they do, but I'm not because my gender identity is not influenced by others, but my understanding of gender roles is.
