Telor II
Suicidesoldier#1
Telor II
Suicidesoldier#1
Telor II
You're talking about nature as if it's a thing that can make decisions. I think that's sort of a strange thing to do.
Idk, I mean, who's to say it doesn't make decisions?
I mean, what evidence is there that it's not making decisions?
Of all the random things that could happen, this happened.
How does that make any sense; the heavy specialization of life and self repeating chemicals?
How does that make any sense?
The world behaves exactly the way it would if there was no intelligence guiding it. Every event has traceable causes that make perfect sense when understood.
You can believe that undefinable thing you call nature has a will if it makes you feel better, but it makes
way more sense to not believe in magic. And I think you know that.
There's nothing to suggest nature doesn't have some kind of outside influence. Magic would imply it being impossible; since it's obvious there's probs stuff outside of nature, I mean, that's a silly assertion as well.
I mean, when you think about it, vaccines are natural; after it, they were created in nature. If your notion is that there is no will defining our activities than everything was meant to be this way since the first atoms exploded, suggesting there is no way to change events if all things have traceable causes.
And I mean, intelligence or not, nature could do whatever it wanted but it did this; kind of crazy when you think about it.
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How in the world is it obvious that something exists outside of nature?
Vaccines were created via laboratory processes. Normally when something comes about from human intervention it is considered to be no longer natural.
I don't think that the origins of the matter that makes up our bodies has much to do with how we act. I think it's silly to say otherwise.
And the notion of fate is also weird to me. Fate implies a plan, which requires a planner.
What definition of nature are you talking about, man? Do you think the trees are conspiring against you?
If the animals that make up part of nature had a say in it, I think they'd much prefer a natural order in which they don't have to either constantly watch out for murderers, or head out every day to commit murder. Just to live.
If everything has a traceable nature, than everything was meant to be. If you can trace all the atoms back to the center of the universe, and figure out what little thing made them go one way or the other, then theoretically, you could figure out everything about the universe.
Since free will, that is a universe that wasn't completely set in motion billions of years ago, would defy entropy, either there is a certain randomness to the universe, which is still quantifiable according to quantum mechanics, or everything is set in stone; if one atom went one way, and bumped into another atom, it's not as if it will suddenly turn into a leprechaun.
Matter would have quantifiable, inescapable fates since the mechanistic clockwork would keep ticking, and moving without human interaction or not.
We did not choose to be created, to have brains, to be humans, to have anything. We did not make our brains and there was no choice in the manner; we did not choose our environment, we did not choose our parents, we did not choose every other human etc. on our universe.
If the laws of physics are definite, and concrete, than according to a set laws of physics, and a set of matter, certain things have to happen. Humans then were meant to exist since the star that belched our star, and our radioactive dust, would have had to follow a certain path according to the laws of physics which made our planet and every little tiny thing that would have influenced us. So down to the sun being bright one day subtly influencing someone to start wearing sunscreen and finally come up with an invention for a better one, all of that was programmed into the universe since all the actions that created us had to have happened according to the laws of physics.
Hence everything everyone did would be quantifiable; we have no real free will, since we were made from atoms that do not get to choose what they are going to do. Since our brain does not have any way of making choices other than potentially random number generators, which is still random.
Therefore everything would be set into motion long before we ever took action. The notion that "I don't think that the origins of the matter that makes up our bodies has much to do with how we act."; if what we're made up out of and the interactions between those things created us and all that we are, even every little subtle thing being completely quantified in a physical reality, what then, could be responsible for it, other than what we're made out of?
I in fact, do believe in the reality of free will, even if science can't explain it but. With our current understanding we're nothing more than mechanistic clockwork; our atoms digest food because those chemical reactions will occur on contact regardless because that's simply how the universe worse. If there is no design, we are a natural by product of how physics works if X planet is X distance from X sun with X events. And therefore all of our thoughts, feelings, were all a part of the clockwork, not a part of our choices.
Things happen because physics says they must happen. Chemical reactions do not occur, by choice, as you say, and nature makes no choices. If we assume that, than everything must occur if two atoms collide and those two atoms will collide because of the proportional ratios of energy and whatnot altering their course and direction etc., which would mean the directions would be completely quantifiable.
Therefore everything is set in stone. This entire conversation, everything leading up to this point, happened because the laws of physics said it had to happen; if it didn't, we wouldn't exist. One atom bumping into another until a nebula formed into a sun until a sun belched out matter that collected into dust that turned into planets that's subtle variations, still perfectly programmed by the unwavering laws of physics, that lead to each individual thing on earth, meaning that everything was set in stone before we ever existed, since the laws of physics had to happen in one way given the current circumstance. That of course if you believe that everything must follow concrete laws of physics.
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