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Subrosian
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:36 pm


THEORY #2: DEITIES


Well hurray, I've been encouraged to keep contributing to the guild! And so I shall...this will be a bit more suited than the last "theory", as it is for the guild, formatted and simplified to make an easier read, and a bit more personal. You may want to refer to my last theory before reading this one. Once again, this is an opinion, and not necessary my own beliefs [well, pretty much], and I am not intending to offend anyone. Also, there are some things here I will AVOID getting into, specified as they come.


Here's what I'm covering.
I. Creation
II. The First Deities
III. Deities Now
IV. The Jehovah Theory


I. Creation
And so existence began with a Big Bang! Or so we think.
But let's say it did. And I'm not going to get really deep into this; it's probably fact! Now let's take a look at the Big Bang really quick.

Wikipedia
In physical cosmology, the Big Bang is the scientific theory that the universe emerged from a tremendously dense and hot state about 13.7 billion years ago.


A tremendously dense and hot state! So, one can imagine this "state" as a sort of ball of...what? Energy, of course! Well, I wouldn't know what else it would be. So you have this apparently stable ORB of all things Energy, until...KABOOM! Instant...universe?
But the point of this is, there IS no point, debating on HOW the universe or existence came to be. I'll cover this a bit more in the next part. But with each theory we have, there's always the "Well, where did THAT come from?" sort of argument. Unless, if actually possible, we discover (and/or understand) perpetual energy, or getting a lot by giving a little. Good luck there.

II. The First Deities
So everything just came into existence and it's a big mess. I don't really believe that there was one supreme God who just happened to be there to witness it all and say, "Okay, now I'VE got some big plans for you and you better work out the way you should!" Nah. Because knowledge through human eyes is most likely one piece of the grand puzzle we call the universe. Back to the Big Bang. Energy was the only Law, the only knowledge. And it EXPLODED (Chaos). Thus, the Creator, this Energy, IS the universe. Creator = Everything as we know it. Pretty much.
And how everything came to be from there can be explained by evolution, or something similar. Just as all we know in the physical world came to be, the same could have happened in the spiritual one, or whatever you want to call it. Use your imagination; as primitive life forms came to be...the very first spirits did as well, perhaps in the end integrated into what Law is. Forgive me if that sounds a bit fuzzy. But seeing as energy can be more dynamic, more susceptible to change, these spiritual beings could've evolved faster, MUCH faster, from the earliest and forsaken gods of Chaos to the (likely later) ones that decided to shape reality as they saw fit, ones more Orderly.
A really quick note here before I move on; there can be a lot of debates here in regards to evolution of spirits/gods, spirits into gods, beings of energy, whatever, any way you look at it. I am just presenting the idea, the theory, and can't say I've studied enough to hold this up in defense. If you have information about how this can't be, offer how it can be worked IN to the theory, please.
Also, wouldn't it be interesting if the physical world had actually evolved faster? Just something to get you thinking.


III. Deities Now
Now perhaps the last part I've expressed was the creation of the Ancient Ones, evolved from energy, possibly (or likely) influencing creation as we know it. I'm going to keep this whole thing relevant to here, Earth, and leave out the fact that there could be completely different life forms somewhere else in the universe. As humans gained knowledge, they began to come up with explanations; the birth of modern Deities. It is possible that the Ancient Ones heard the names thrown to the winds, and took them in as their own.
And then! Imagine something a Deity had never experienced, time, devotion, from the physical world in their name. Faith! It was like a new form of energy, and it gave them power, more than ever before. Lesser spirits fed on the weaker, more general prayers, until they became more powerful and more distinct. Faith allowed for miracles, and visions, and allowed the gods to inspire those that fed them. Perhaps some Deities left this alone, the Ancient Ones who've been in existence forever, and stayed in their places among the Universe. And then other Deities, out of need or out of love, or maybe just plain logic, began relying on Faith to exist, instead of the methods I had used in example in my last theory. Maybe it is possible the Ancient Ones could've set something into place where those who fed on Faith now had to live by it.
So now as Religion still trembles our world, Belief and Faith fuel the Deities and make them powerful, and influence their own opinions as the prayers or beliefs towards them change. The favor is returned as the Deities see fit, depending on their personalities and characteristics, in many forms. Magick amplification would probably be one...as well as Afterlife, or just "good fortune".

VI. The Jehovah Theory
This is more of an interesting [and possibly literary] idea of mine than a theory. Feel free to skip. Once again, not trying to offend anyone. This could've been a separate, smaller topic, but I've decided to include it here while I'm at this incredibly long piece. And you're not going to see anything about Jesus of Nazareth or Lucifer here. Maybe.
And then one god gained more attention then the others, thanks to humankind, the backing of three major religions, and violence against all who opposed! A god driven nearly mad from the mere contradiction that his own Word had given him, that his own Believers had given him, and even his name has been disputed. Some say Yahweh, I'll say Jehovah. As monotheistic thought began to dominate the world, he became mad with power. "All other gods are false. They don't exist, I am the only one." A god of love? It became hatred in the end, hatred against all who did not conform, all who would not believe. Jehovah, the God Slayer. Luckily, his power has faded with things such as the spread of atheism and the New Age movement, fluffy as it may be. It's also in my opinion that said god-slayer hasn't run rampant in search of destroying all gods due to the restraints placed upon him by those who truly believe the god is one of love.

End

Thanks for all those who read. This took quite a while to do, I'd say I spent a few hours on it. I'm looking forward to positive feedback, if that's what I'm going to get >.o there was going to be an "Afterlife" section here, but I think I'll save that for later. Hope you enjoyed.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:11 pm


Another exellent, exellent post Subrosian. You have singlehandedly revived my want to debate such lofty things of gods and men.

Look forward to whatever you plan to do next.

Joshua_Ritter
Crew

Dapper Genius


[BlkCat]

PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:34 pm


Very nice ^.^, I agree mostly with the "VI. The Jehovah Theory ". As an ex-Jehovah's Witness myself, I feel thats what the Christian God did. All people every say to me when I ask them "Sure, your God exists, I don't doubt that but how do you know he's the only one?" they reply "Because he said so in the Bible".....XD HE WROTE THE FRICKEN THING, if I wrote a book and said I was almighty and the only one, that doesn't mean its true ffs.
[/end rant]

Anyway, yea, I feel that same way, a selfish god that once wanted only power and worship is now bound by the other Gods/Goddess' which is why we don't see the same things happening now as they supposedly did in "Bible times"
PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:48 pm


[BlkCat]
Very nice ^.^, I agree mostly with the "VI. The Jehovah Theory ". As an ex-Jehovah's Witness myself, I feel thats what the Christian God did. All people every say to me when I ask them "Sure, your God exists, I don't doubt that but how do you know he's the only one?" they reply "Because he said so in the Bible".....XD HE WROTE THE FRICKEN THING, if I wrote a book and said I was almighty and the only one, that doesn't mean its true ffs.
[/end rant]

Anyway, yea, I feel that same way, a selfish god that once wanted only power and worship is now bound by the other Gods/Goddess' which is why we don't see the same things happening now as they supposedly did in "Bible times"

*imagines a caricature of Jehovah writing the Bible on a comfy chair and chuckling to himself*

Ohoho...well, as Joshua_Ritter pointed out to me, the Bible is still a pretty influential and book, although a bit muddled. I'd like to say that I don't really believe that it is Christianity that is evil, but that narrow-minded people [including Popes that canonized or REJECTED some parts of the Bible] have severely hurt what good the religion could have been. But yeah...what I'm saying is that I'd like to make clear I'm not completely against Christianity.

Subrosian
Captain


Yvaine

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:07 pm


I recommend two books to you: "American Gods" by Neil Gaiman and "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett. You'll see me advocate these two authors a lot, I'm guessing. I like their theories. I was particularly reminded of "Small Gods" in reference to the Jehovah thing. That's actually the book I tend to advocate as the most sensible religious discussion I've run across...and it's in the sci-fi section... sweatdrop
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:32 pm


Yvaine
I recommend two books to you: "American Gods" by Neil Gaiman and "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett. You'll see me advocate these two authors a lot, I'm guessing. I like their theories. I was particularly reminded of "Small Gods" in reference to the Jehovah thing. That's actually the book I tend to advocate as the most sensible religious discussion I've run across...and it's in the sci-fi section... sweatdrop

Any way you can describe basic theories without giving away cool parts of the book? *plans to read it sometime*

Joshua_Ritter
Crew

Dapper Genius

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