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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:15 am


Shamanism refers to a range of traditional beliefs and practices similar to Animism that claim the ability to diagnose and cure human suffering and, in some societies, the ability to cause suffering. This is believed to be accomplished by traversing the axis mundi and forming a special relationship with, or gaining control over, spirits. Shamans have been credited with the ability to control the weather, divination, the interpretation of dreams, astral projection, and traveling to upper and lower worlds. Shamanistic traditions have existed throughout the world since prehistoric times.

Some anthropologists and religion scholars define a shaman as an intermediary between the natural and spiritual world, who travels between worlds in a trance state. Once in the spirit world, the shaman would commune with the spirits for assistance in healing, hunting or weather management. Ripinsky-Naxon describes shamans as, “People who have a strong interest in their surrounding environment and the society of which they are a part.”

Other anthropologists critique the term shamanism, arguing that it is a culturally specific institution and that by expanding to fit any healer from traditional societies it produces a false unity between these cultures and creates an idea of an initial human religion predating all others.

Shamanism is based on the premise that the visible world is pervaded by invisible forces or spirits that affect the lives of the living. In contrast to animism and animatism, which any and usually all members of a society practice, shamanism requires specialized knowledge or abilities. It could be said that shamans are the experts employed by animists or animist communities. Shamans are not, however, often organized into full-time ritual or spiritual associations, as are priests
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:02 am


Worship of nature makes more sense then worship of Gods, but it's still worship.. which is never a good thing. It distracts you from what truly matters, gaining knowledge of yourself and things around you.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:47 am


Rune
Worship of nature makes more sense then worship of Gods, but it's still worship.. which is never a good thing. It distracts you from what truly matters, gaining knowledge of yourself and things around you.


however, in the early days of human existance, it was needed to describe why there were earthquakes and volcanoes and such
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:17 pm


Rune
Worship of nature makes more sense then worship of Gods, but it's still worship.. which is never a good thing. It distracts you from what truly matters, gaining knowledge of yourself and things around you.

I'd rather respect nature rather than worship it, wouldn't you? 3nodding

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Gairish McCreeper

PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:28 pm


I was doing a bit of research on Necromancy (Just to make sure the RPG's are lying to me) and I found that on a base level (goals of the practice and such) Shamanism is very similar, in that your goal is simply to commune with the dead, gain insight, knowledge, ...some otherworldly power etc. I do know however that shamanism is as you have said more closely related to nature, which I would think gives it closest ties to pagan (Wiccan etc.) practice.

There is also the added benefit of me not seeing the image of the walking dead when I think of a shaman, that always is nice.

That is all
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:36 pm


Hey I know we are supposed to post information but this does lead to information. I'm really interested in Shamanism but I can't realy find any really good information on it. Anyone know some good sources.

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Gairish McCreeper

PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:01 pm


Wikipedia knows all, half of the time. You have tried a striaght up google search right, that gives me a few sources for overviews etc.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:08 pm


Dark Solais
Wikipedia knows all, half of the time. You have tried a striaght up google search right, that gives me a few sources for overviews etc.


Yah I hit google and wiki and they didn't really go in depth on the actually practicing of Shamanism, and I'm always very skeptical of Google results. Now that I think about it though I should check out the recommended reading on wiki. Sometimes I amaze even myself with my ability to forgo basic logic.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:14 pm


Zophell
Dark Solais
Wikipedia knows all, half of the time. You have tried a striaght up google search right, that gives me a few sources for overviews etc.


Yah I hit google and wiki and they didn't really go in depth on the actually practicing of Shamanism, and I'm always very skeptical of Google results. Now that I think about it though I should check out the recommended reading on wiki. Sometimes I amaze even myself with my ability to forgo basic logic.
Check out your local library, or your biggest book store [barnes and noble perhaps?], if your book store is small try checking the biggest one in your county or close to you, usually there is a book on everything you can think of if you spend enough time looking... But one good book on shamanism could give you all the information you'll ever need, unless of course your looking to practice, practice would probably require you to seek out shamans which would not be easy to find in modern society, you'd have to go to a few third world countries =P though I personally dont suggest seeking those things out, whether your religious or not it can be dangerous.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:26 pm


Blood`Eternity
Zophell
Dark Solais
Wikipedia knows all, half of the time. You have tried a striaght up google search right, that gives me a few sources for overviews etc.


Yah I hit google and wiki and they didn't really go in depth on the actually practicing of Shamanism, and I'm always very skeptical of Google results. Now that I think about it though I should check out the recommended reading on wiki. Sometimes I amaze even myself with my ability to forgo basic logic.
Check out your local library, or your biggest book store [barnes and noble perhaps?], if your book store is small try checking the biggest one in your county or close to you, usually there is a book on everything you can think of if you spend enough time looking... But one good book on shamanism could give you all the information you'll ever need, unless of course your looking to practice, practice would probably require you to seek out shamans which would not be easy to find in modern society, you'd have to go to a few third world countries =P though I personally dont suggest seeking those things out, whether your religious or not it can be dangerous.


It's not so much that I am planning to actively practice shamanism it's just that I am trying to get a deep understanding of shamanism (and actually all religious and or spiritual beliefs, it's an odd practice for an atheist I know but who knows maybe my studies will change my mind. I still hold an open mind). Oh and I have looked for practicing Shamans and the only one I know about died like 5 years ago and even then I’m not sure if he really believed it or not.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:29 am


Zophell
Hey I know we are supposed to post information but this does lead to information. I'm really interested in Shamanism but I can't realy find any really good information on it. Anyone know some good sources.
Check out the book Animal Speak, it is most excellent.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:30 am


Rune
Worship of nature makes more sense then worship of Gods, but it's still worship.. which is never a good thing. It distracts you from what truly matters, gaining knowledge of yourself and things around you.
It really isn't worship at all. Its working with those natural forces. And it does help you find your self.

I been into it for some time now.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:45 am


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Worship of nature makes more sense then worship of Gods, but it's still worship.. which is never a good thing. It distracts you from what truly matters, gaining knowledge of yourself and things around you.
It really isn't worship at all. Its working with those natural forces. And it does help you find your self.

I been into it for some time now.

Sorry but.. you can't find yourself outside yourself. And most shamanistic cultures I can think of do in fact worship nature. Native American culture for example includes rituals that call upon nature to help them.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:26 am


Rune
Celtic Mystick
Rune
Worship of nature makes more sense then worship of Gods, but it's still worship.. which is never a good thing. It distracts you from what truly matters, gaining knowledge of yourself and things around you.
It really isn't worship at all. Its working with those natural forces. And it does help you find your self.

I been into it for some time now.

Sorry but.. you can't find yourself outside yourself. And most shamanistic cultures I can think of do in fact worship nature. Native American culture for example includes rituals that call upon nature to help them.
The journey helps you go inside your self to find it. For even things outside of your own spirit are part of you just as our bodies are made from the soil so there for we are the earth in such we call upon the powers of it because we are it. In that, we do not worship anything we call upon our own powers which reside in us all. There is no outer findings of any sort. The animals we use help us in our own aspects as they represent part of our personality and help us get in touch with that lost self we had so long ago.

Merlin also once said "When one tries to find the universe, one finds nothing but, when one tries to find ones self, one finds the universe." In this it means everything in the universe is part of us and we all apart of each other, different aspects of the same whole. Shamanism teaches this and how to tap into the lost powers that we all truly have. My workings have proven this to me.

(Your opinion is respected but my thoughts still stand with no change.)

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:28 am


I know a shaman, it's amazing
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