Ideas already done/On their way
LAJ Mule (Done)
LAJ Guild (Done)
New Thread (On Its Way)
Links to tutorials (Done)
Event-related:
Lineartist/Colorist Spotlight
Themed Contests (For Guild with possible post in thread)
Fundraising Art Auction for Contests
Lineartist Guidelines:
Linking or Thumbnailing anything larger than sig-size.
Talent guidelines for where or how to post
Make a filename format that includes artist's name and the date
A form for lineartists to indicate how they want their art colored
No more direct quoting of posted pictures
No more posting pictures to be colored for sale in minishops
Repost no more than every 20 pages
A maximum of lineart posted at one time
Suggested Threads in Guild:
Sort Lineart into different threads by quality
Sort Lineart into different threads by category
Have a thread for plain lineart to be posted for inking by others
Have separate threads for lineart and for colored pieces
A "Classifieds" post for artists looking for work or help
A separate chat thread
A Work in Progress and Pick-up thread
Suggested Feature:
Make a lineart archive/database
Guidelines for making posts without lineart or coloring within:
Keep chatting to a minimum
Keep praise/criticism constructive
No more whining about art not being colored.
What was posted in the thread, with the opinions listed (I DID condense somewhat. So it may not, in some cases, be a direct quote from the poster):
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Cassidy Peterson
LAJ Mule
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Bare Naked Mizzie
Oh yeah. We need a way to edit the first post if the creator of the new thread goes on hiatus, vacation, or simply doesn't want to update anymore.
Cassidy Peterson
a common mule would be to prevent issues of "favoritism" amongst regulars or "flaunting status" by Gaia moderators. It would help keep things organized in the guild as well to have all stickies/announcements made by the common mule instead of all different people.
Cassidy Peterson
I'll be creating the account, and sending the password to the more level-headed participants of LAJ, as well as to any Gaia Online moderators who wish to participate in LAJ development. Letting "everyone" know it would lead to spam, ridiculous or even offensive stickies and announcements in the guild, illegible posts, and blah blah blah.
Jeseia Moretia
another good idea. I'd suggest having the guild crew, captain, and then a few select "helpers" having access to it- and no one else. Otherwise like was mentioned before, there will be a LOT of really stupid posts and stickies.
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Bare Naked Mizzie
highly suggest that we advocate linking, or impose a thumbnail rule.
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Bare Naked Mizzie
...The Jam loads slowly even for me, and I'm on broadband, and page stretching is annoying. It would also reduce the chance of people quoting images, something that KILLS bandwidth for posters. I know this is already in the rules, but it needs to be at the top of the list.
Cassidy Peterson
Image size restrictions are a lovely idea. Appx sig limits (500x500/100,000bytes) per image sound good?
Moonlight Man
that sounds good, but we should give them the option to link to anything larger than that.
RottingCorpse
Making The Images A Link I REALLY Don't Like This Idea. I HATE Clicking On Links I Like Seeing The Picture And Saying Oooh I Would Like To Color That. If Its A Link I RARELY Click On It.
ChaosLights
Noo! relise that a lot of detail, colored or not, can be lost if an image is resized. you could have another sub-forum in the guild for people to help make Thumb-nails for large images. And a tutorial to make them yourselfs. A link attracts no one, but a thumb-nail attracts everyone, for one wants to know the rest of the image.
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Bare Naked Mizzie
We could also do a Lineartist and Colorist spotlights every month!
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Moonlight Man
i also like the idea of a monthly spotlight, it would make things more interesting
ChaosLights
Have the cast behind the LAJ mule all vote on their favorite picture made in the past week, and if the pages overload again, the past 20 pages or so. And post it as a thumbnail banner saying Line Art Jam Spotlight at the top of the page, so as soon as you enter the thread/guild you can see some amazing work. And the lineartist, and colorist.
clarion
I seem to remember seeing someone mention having a post to sort of showcase popular/excellent line arts (don't remember who--I haven't read through the thread since last night). That might be something to reserve a post for and think about.
Taisa Beanie
I really, REALLY like the idea of the lineart spotlight. Along with that, we could have a color spotlight too. =O
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Bare Naked Mizzie
Themed Coloring
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Moonlight Man
montly themes and contests would be a cool idea, but that'd probably require a source of income for the LAJ. if we have any good lineartists on our team, we could probably have an auction in the requests and commisions forum.
Cassidy Peterson
The theme/contest idea is pretty good. Something like that would have to wait for the creation of a guild, tho, in order to prevent the main thread from being spammed too badly and to keep things more organized for both those who do and those who don't want to be involved in that.
Jeseia Moretia
Competitions? Light, that might make *me* start drawing again, and I gave up on that years ago (someday I'll show samples icon_xd.gif )! It's a wonderful idea- particularly the "themes" idea. Who would fund the prizes, however? For that matter, what would the prizes be? How long would they run?
ChiyoChan
if there are any, I just want to make sure once a person wins, they can't win again, until like.. Next year to be fair.
Cassidy Peterson
Contests are going to be run through the guild. The contest "system" will be worked on later. Right now, the thread is the main priority
A contest post sounds like a good idea, tho'. To display the winner and info on the contest running at the time
A contest post sounds like a good idea, tho'. To display the winner and info on the contest running at the time
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Bare Naked Mizzie
Suggestion for raising money for guild: Color auction!
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Moonlight Man
There should be outlines for what the quality of lineart should be.
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Moonlight Man
clean lines, preferably inked, minimum size of *** by ***, maximum size of *** by ***, etc
Queen_of_Cunts
I like the whole clean lines ideas...I mean It's called "Line Art Jam" Not "Sketch Art Jam"
serene_silence
Put restrictions on posting (I hate stretched pages.. pictures taking forever to load and stalling other pictures. Make a restriction so that if a pic is bigger then they post a link and its their fault if they think people wont click the link. They have ways around that.)
serene_silence
Have a sketchy thread and a clean thread maybe?
Cassidy Peterson
limits DO need to be set. Unless the lineart itself is VERY bold and crisp, images done on line, crumpled/creased, or graph paper becomes much more difficult for novices to clean themselves and color. While "a sketchy style" is acceptable, there is a difference between sketchiness and impossible scribbles and doodles.
Jeseia Moretia
A sticky for guild-wide rules, and separate threads for "sketchy" "inked" and "feedback" (for those who want advise on how to improve), would be awesome.
Page Boy
I would greatly appreciate a size rule...requiring links or thumbnails for images that stretch an 800x600 monitor (or other resolution)
Also, i'd like to see more rules/suggestions/criteria for colorable lineart. it has nothing to do with skill, i'm just tired of seeing crappy notebook scans and and digital camera pictures. I doubt anyone wants to spend time coloring something that the line artist took no time in scanning.
Sorry to people w/out scanners. There's only so much most colorists can and are willing to do.
Also, i'd like to see more rules/suggestions/criteria for colorable lineart. it has nothing to do with skill, i'm just tired of seeing crappy notebook scans and and digital camera pictures. I doubt anyone wants to spend time coloring something that the line artist took no time in scanning.
Sorry to people w/out scanners. There's only so much most colorists can and are willing to do.
RottingCorpse
And One More Thing That I Don't Like The Idea Of Is Only CLEAN Lines.
Some People Cannot Clean Their Lines And Lineart Can Be Sketches There Are Lots Of People That Like To Color Sketches, The Size Thing Is Okay But What If You Just Did Some KILLER Lineart And Didn't See Or Remember That Rule And Then You Couldn't Post It? (Resizing Does Wreck The Image Sometimes)
Some People Cannot Clean Their Lines And Lineart Can Be Sketches There Are Lots Of People That Like To Color Sketches, The Size Thing Is Okay But What If You Just Did Some KILLER Lineart And Didn't See Or Remember That Rule And Then You Couldn't Post It? (Resizing Does Wreck The Image Sometimes)
ChibiKuma
I would be one of those peopple that enjoy coloring some of the sketches... maybe if its said that they cant be scribbles but maybe a bit more of a finished "sketch" or something of the sorts and I don't mind if people ink it or not... I sometimes post uninked work though I try and make it a tight pencils as I can...
Reannda
I agree that it shouldn't be just perfectly clean crisp inked lines. Some people's style is sketchy, but still beautiful, and should also have the right to be colored. An artist shouldn't have to conform. That why it's art.
I don't like the idea of having standards for who can post pictures and who cannot. For one, isn't it supposed to be a public forum. And two, everyone's got to start somewhere. We're not just born being able to draw masterpeices.
I don't like the idea of having standards for who can post pictures and who cannot. For one, isn't it supposed to be a public forum. And two, everyone's got to start somewhere. We're not just born being able to draw masterpeices.
RottingCorpse
That's Exactly What I Was Thinking, You Can't Disown People Who Aren't Picasso! People Who Start Off With Drawing Want To Hear Comments And Get Tips And Have Their Art Colored Not Be Shuned By Colorists/Lineartists. If You Think It Sucks, If You Don't Like It,
DONT COLOR IT! It's As Simple As That.
DONT COLOR IT! It's As Simple As That.
serene_silence
Who determines whats good and whats not? I believe the artist should. I dont think we should limit artists. Flaming an artist because they arent good enough will get us nowhere but into arguements.
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Moonlight Man
Links to Tutorials
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Moonlight Man
help improve the quality of the coloring in general
RottingCorpse
Tutorials. Tips And Questions And Rating.
Status: Already Done
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Coyotemoon
The direct quoting of posts with the lines/pictures still in should be a no-no.
Jeseia Moretia
I'd also like to see an end to the spammy reposts. Having a guild would be amazingly cool because then the crew would be able to delete the spam.
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Coyotemoon
I've also seen people trying to have things colored that they plan on selling in the mini-shops, this should also be a no-no.
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RottingCorpse
Different Themes Of Lineart In Their Own Thread! (Chibi,Realsitic Etc..)
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serene_silence
Have categories and sub categories (for example "Clean" "Sketch" "chib" "realism" etc..)
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serene_silence
Repost every 20 pages!!
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serene_silence
Try to keep chatting to a minimum
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serene_silence
after all its lineart jam.. not a hangout. I can understand the occassional chatting while posting a picture and commending someone on a job well done every now and then but thats about it.
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serene_silence
dont waste a post with "Oh you guys are so good" Or "I like the art here"
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serene_silence
Please.. We appreciate your input on our art but try to make it not such a waste of a post if you have to post something.
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ChaosLights
Have a sub-forum in the new guild ,thats public of course, that allows users to post there note-book paper art, and other sketches.
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ChaosLights
There other users may take the image and ink it on a new layer themselves, thus deleting the sketchy version, and the lines on the notebook paper if there, and making it presentable to the main LAJ thread. That would be very helpful, in my opinion.
Line Art Jam
A clean-up thread in the Guild might be a good idea to deal with some of the uncolorable linearts
Leamony
A cleanup thread would be great... Sometimes I actually prefer cleaning to coloring.
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ChaosLights
An optional Fill-out Form on the first page. Here, a user may post there picture along with the form, saying exactly what they wish.
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ChaosLights
For example:
*Colors preferred: ((any colors put here, but were they are to go are up to the colorist))
* Type of coloring media. ((there are tons of different medias and programs users can use, from the top-notch reilistic, fanasy cg, to mspaint colorings. the words may be more specific, as to i dont know what they might be called, and the user could simply put "All" here to signify they truley dont care.))
*Characters name! The names, though not relised, tell alot about the character. If a character is named Azure, a colorist might make things blue. stuff like that, but if the name is bob, the character may be more layed back. i could be wrong.))
*Colors preferred: ((any colors put here, but were they are to go are up to the colorist))
* Type of coloring media. ((there are tons of different medias and programs users can use, from the top-notch reilistic, fanasy cg, to mspaint colorings. the words may be more specific, as to i dont know what they might be called, and the user could simply put "All" here to signify they truley dont care.))
*Characters name! The names, though not relised, tell alot about the character. If a character is named Azure, a colorist might make things blue. stuff like that, but if the name is bob, the character may be more layed back. i could be wrong.))
Reannda
I personally don't care for people who demand their pictures to be colored a certain way. Infact I refuse to color someone's picture if they rudely demand it has to be colored a certain way. If they wanted their picture colored specifically to their liking they could A) color it themselves B) pay someone some gaia gold to get their picture their way (especialy if they have to be rude about it) or C) ask politely for someone to use the colors they had in mind (and not get mad if the colorist decided not to).
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ChaosLights
make a rule that someone has to have at least a *little* talent before posting their art. Or coloring someoen elses.
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ChaosLights
im sorry, but ive seen some effortless, skilles pictures ((colored, non)) in my days stalking the LAJ. it might be helpful for those to disapear.
Reannda
I don't like the idea of having standards for who can post pictures and who cannot. For one, isn't it supposed to be a public forum. And two, everyone's got to start somewhere. We're not just born being able to draw masterpeices.
f.jellybean
heres my imput on the whole "shun people with no talent" concept.:
-have a part of the guild marked off for constructive, but POLITE criticism. this way, those who want to improve, can and still be able to enjoy the LAJ.
-have a part of the guild marked off for constructive, but POLITE criticism. this way, those who want to improve, can and still be able to enjoy the LAJ.
serene_silence
Who determines whats good and whats not? I believe the artist should. I dont think we should limit artists. Flaming an artist because they arent good enough will get us nowhere but into arguements.
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Jeseia Moretia
a thread for lineartists looking for colorists and vice versa? A sort of "classifieds" place.
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Jeseia Moretia
It would be deviating a little from the "free lineart to color" theme, but I think a LOT of artists would make use of it, just from my observation of the minishop assistance forum.
f.jellybean
i think its a good idea and if they get a banner in their siggy, it could promote the LAJ~
Cassidy Peterson
I'm liking the classifieds as well. icon_3nodding.gif Sounds like a good idea
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RottingCorpse
Maybe A Chat For Lineartists And A Chat For Colorists? Basically Giving Tips And Asking Questions About Lineart And Coloring.
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Put an end to whining about art not being colored.
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RottingCorpse
For People WHO DEMAND That Their Picture Be Colored, Or People Who Whine Example: I FEEL UNLOVED BECAUSE I POSTED THIS PICTURE 1 PAGE AGO AND NO ONE HAS COLORED IT YET!! WAA waaaaaaaaaa......waaaaaaaa waa
When People Act Like This I WILL NOT Color Their Lines Even If I LOVE THE LINES AND I WANT TO COLOR THEM, I Won't And Some People Do The Same So Keep That In Mind When Posting Lineart.
When People Act Like This I WILL NOT Color Their Lines Even If I LOVE THE LINES AND I WANT TO COLOR THEM, I Won't And Some People Do The Same So Keep That In Mind When Posting Lineart.
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clarion
if there was some way to archive line arts that have been posted
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clarion
maybe have the mule get its own photobucket account or something? One of the sad things about the original thread was how some really awesome linearts turned into red Xs.
Taisa Beanie
I think that we should have a lineart "database."Instead of having to scroll through all those pages (1100! X_X) maybe we could have one person (or several, depending on how many pictures there are and such) set up a gallery that has all the lineart in it, so that people can go and search visually for the lineart that they like/want to color. I always found it a hassle to look through all those pages plus the quotes and convos to look for nice lineart. It's just a suggestion. I'm sure bandwith problems would occur since there ARE a lot of pictures and stuff... Then there's the issue of going THROUGH all those pages to find all the lineart.
But since there are so many regulars at the LAJ, I'm sure each of us could cover a certain time span or something. Even the thought of it sounds sort of tiring for me, but I think it would save a load of time and trouble after it's all set up.
But since there are so many regulars at the LAJ, I'm sure each of us could cover a certain time span or something. Even the thought of it sounds sort of tiring for me, but I think it would save a load of time and trouble after it's all set up.
Line Art Jam
A gallery of sorts could be set up in the Guild. It would actually be pretty easy to do something like that. Each artist could claim a post, the opening post of the thread could contain links to each artist. That way, artists could find their own posts to make sure their images were still viewable and edit in newer ones, while people would be able to look up specific artists whose linearts they wanted to work on.
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clarion
having a format for file naming that includes the artist's name.
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clarion
When I was regularly going through the thread and pulling out lines I wanted to color, if I happened to forget to rename the files to include the artists' names I would have no idea who drew what. The line artist always needs to get credit for their half of the picture and not everyone signs their pics (or have legible signatures). Naming files something like imgtitle_by_soandso.jpg might help people keep up with who drew what.
f.jellybean
i totally agree with the renaming the lineart thing, i go through and rename everything i save as the page number i found it on and the artist's name, so its easier to identify the lineartist. also, having the page number lets you go back and see if there was anything specific they asked for (if you even care what they asked for).
Jeseia Moretia
ooh that is a good idea (the file name thing) a little extreme, but would be helpful for the colorist
Jeseia Moretia
indeed it is, especially when the origianl picture is something like 20 pages back.
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ChiyoChan
be a limit on how many line arts people post
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ChiyoChan
Because if everyone posts a lot, there might be some overbalance and then comes the stock market crash.
Cassidy Peterson
Heh. Most folk already limit themselves to three images per post, and a per-post limit is the only vaguely reasonable limit to set. We'll make mention of it in the guideline post.
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Leamony
It would be nice to have a WIP thread and a Pick-Up thread in the guild.
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Leamony
In the WIP thread colorists could post thier works in progress for the original artists to see... I'm always so paranoid that I'll get the colors wrong when I'm putting my all into a picture. And also that way you could get some feedback before you finish the picture.
I'm tired of sorting through finished works to find linearts. Keeping those seperate would help people like me be less insane, and kinda help to keep the guild organized. @.@
I'm tired of sorting through finished works to find linearts. Keeping those seperate would help people like me be less insane, and kinda help to keep the guild organized. @.@
Stuff that didn't really fit into the format used in the rest of the thread:
Moonlight Man
if i was laying out the new thread, i'd reserve the first 10 posts and i'd lay it out something like this:
Post 1 - general welcome/ guild info
post 2 - Rules
post 3 - monthly lineart / color spotlight
post 4 - FAQ
post 5 - Tips/Links to tutorials
post 6 - resources/extras
and i'd leave the rest as *reserved* just in case.
Dragonz_luvr
the nice thing about a guild is that you can have multiple threads for multiple purposes.
A couple threads could be devoted just to posting lineart, no chatting or posting colored pics. There could be different threads for sketchy, clean lineart, shaded, etc.
a couple threads could be for posting colored work
and there could be just one thread that would be used as a chatterbox, which would cut down on the spam that creeps into the other threads.
I don't know how people would feel about it, might be too much or too many, but maybe people who wanted to could be allowed to make a thread for themselves where they're the only ones who post lineart, and anyone who colors their stuff posts it there...
A couple threads could be devoted just to posting lineart, no chatting or posting colored pics. There could be different threads for sketchy, clean lineart, shaded, etc.
a couple threads could be for posting colored work
and there could be just one thread that would be used as a chatterbox, which would cut down on the spam that creeps into the other threads.
I don't know how people would feel about it, might be too much or too many, but maybe people who wanted to could be allowed to make a thread for themselves where they're the only ones who post lineart, and anyone who colors their stuff posts it there...
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