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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:00 am
It's occurred to me that I like side characters a hell of a lot more than MCs. At least most of the time, anyway. I find this tends to be because they're more realistic. They're the people that don't normally have tragic, trauma-filled pasts that haunt them every day of their lives that make the reader want to shoot themselves for all the times they've seen it. Not to mention they're usually fully developed when you meet them, so you know they're not going to change. For me, at least, they ground the book and make it much more enjoyable.
What about you? Do you favor your MCs over your side characters, or do you have those one or two special side characters that just make you smile.
My personal favorite is a goofy seamstress who's probably as girly as they come. Unlike the MC, she's never been on a life-altering adventure, or moved, or even left her country. Hell, she's never even left her home town! But she's wacky and cheery and just so out there that it's hard not to love her. One of my favorite scenes with her is when she finds out her best friend is pregnant, because she just barrages the poor girl with question after question: "How far along are you? Do you want a boy or a girl? Have you thought up any names?" etc. etc. etc... She has a half-page rant before they get her to shut up long enough to answer one question, and it just gets her asking a few dozen more.
Maybe I'm weird, but I consider that a very realistic response for someone like her, and it makes me love her all the more.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:37 am
I'm actually in a strange situation when it comes to side characters at the moment. smile
The novel I'm working on now is set to have three following novels written. The first novel focuses on my MC, and the second novel focuses on her twin sister, who is a side character in the first novel. The third focuses on their younger sister, and the fourth, final novel focuses on a little chinese girl who is a side character throughout the entire first three novels. smile
It's funny that you should mention side characters being your favorite, because the little Chinese girl is one of my absolute favorites through all three novels, and I can't wait to focus the action on her in the forth book.
Another favorite side character is the younger sister. She is so freaking awesome, and the plot idea I have for her is even better! I can't wait! biggrin
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:43 am
I normally care more for my MCs than my side characters...mostly because almost all of my characters are MCs. However, I can name a few side characters that I really enjoy working with.
One is a jeweler in a small town who had enough sense to make it seem like she could take on the many thieves around her yet didn't have the ability to back it up when one of them realized the ruse. She's usually found near her store, and she started off as a one-shot character, but attention is gradually being turned on her as one thief continues to use her lack of back-bone and feelings of guilt to plot further thefts around town. I love roleplaying her (she has yet to make it into an actual story).
Another is a merchant in the same area as the jeweler who is on the opposite side of the spectrum. Where the jeweler ends up unwillingly helping the thieves, the merchant ends up helping the good guys. She actually has less of a role than the jeweler, but she's more bold and able to defend herself against the many thieves in town. My favorite part with her involved the first time she protected herself against the thieves, successfully freaking them out and making them all leave her alone for a good while.
Overall, though, I much prefer my MCs over my side characters.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:03 pm
I think some of the love for the sides might also come from the fact that they're not as well known. In my case, at least, I insert and use characters as I need them. Some of them seem fascinating, but I actually know very little about them other than their reason for existing in the few scenes they exist in. Something in my always wants to delve into their minds and find out who the hell they really are.
I'm not saying I don't love my mains, I just find that, after working with them for awhile, they get kind of dull.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:19 pm
I tend to like my secondary characters more than my mains, and I'm not sure I've ever determined the actual cause. I do like my main characters, but there's a certain charm my secondaries frequently have over me that make them fun to work with.
I think Phade said it best. Sometimes working with mains can get kind of dull. The secondaries provide a good change of scenery and can be fun to work with because they often provide good movement for plots.
My favorite secondary was Quinn. I inserted her as a plot device, and then fell in love with her. Pretty soon I reworked my entire plot just to give her a bigger role. She came with baggage, too. I created her, then realized another character was necessary for her dynamics, and suddenly Luc was born. He was initially supposed to be a cameo to provide Quinn with some background. That didn't pan out. He became almost immediately as important as Quinn, so I had to rearranged the plot again to work him in.
I'm thinking I should have just given them their own novel. They could run primaries in a story, no problem. They're just so much fun to work with!
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:26 pm
AurinJade I'm thinking I should have just given them their own novel. They could run primaries in a story, no problem. They're just so much fun to work with! Until you create side characters for their story and fall in love with them instead. xd I think that's why a lot of series go on for so long. Aside from the income, authors don't like to let their characters go. I know when I get to the end of my series, I'm going to cry. The second I type the words "The End" I'm going to go curl up in a corner and bawl my eyes out. But then, like any good obsessive fantasy writer, there's prequels. twisted
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:43 pm
Eh...I love them equally. It's actually a problem of mine, I have way too many characters doing random "important things" and end up having to chop a few. Overall though, it is the side characters in most books/games/whatever I find myself liking. Part of it is the unknown factor which someone else mentioned but another part is I just tend to relate to the side characters more than the main ones.
Two of my favorite side characters are (though they're not always side):
Echo (a young doctor) who treats Chloe's (many) injuries, every time with only an exasperated smile. It endears him to me. He's very patient.
Then there is Kaz. It's the same kind of thing as Echo, except that in his case, it's putting up with his crazy captain. Seriously. Zoey makes most people resign within their first year of service. Kaz has been serving under Zoey's command for close to ten years now. He's a bit of a miracle worker.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:30 pm
I develop all of my characters to the point where if I wanted to, I could put them in their own story. Main, secondary, side, there are very few I do not like to work on, but I think my favorite characters are about evenly split between them all. I think my current favorite side character is a ten-year-old vampire who was a cancer patient in life. I created her to add a bit of variety to my vampires, and to show how the vampire society is very different: not every vampire is turned when they are young and vibrant and of age, and ranks differ based on the vampire's true age and how well they climb up the social ladder, not how they physically look. I use this on a lot of aspects of vampires, going so far as to remove taboos that would have been present in life (best example: I have an old man and a little girl who are a couple. The girl is legal jailbait). She was turned by accident, as she was already at Death's door, but her sire got a little careless. Because of her actual age (i.e., how long she has been a vampire), she actually has more power and influence in the vampire community than, say, an adult who was turned yesterday. While my vampires retain their minds and personalities once they get beyond their animal instincts (there is a time after they are turned where they are more or less animals, and it can stay that way if they are not properly guided by their sires), they are able to grow and mature, and she is clever enough that she has in a few instances done trades on the black market. She was also made as a contrast to a teenage vampire: the teenager is an immature twit and actually much younger than the cancer patient, and the cancer patient sort of forces the teenager to grow up a little bit: she points out that the teenager has a lot of things she wanted in life, the biggest one being a body that works properly and that she was turned at an age where it is easier to be taken seriously. Even though the cancer patient is stronger as a vampire, she does feel fatigued more easily than other vampires, and her body is frail and emaciated compared to someone who was changed in good health. And because her body is small and frail, she has a hard time getting others (sometimes even other vampires) to respect her. Any respect she has, she had to earn.
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:10 am
I don't think I could develop everyone I've ever thought up or stuck in a book. I'd never actually finish a project, and I have enough issues with that as it is. X3
I think with me it's the fact that there are certain characters that become what Racheling has called "New and Shiny," and as I happen to have the dreaded affliction that is OSS (Ooh, Shiny Syndrome, for those of you who haven't read Rant 16), I get distracted by them and flesh 'em out a bit.
Takes a lot of time away from the actual story, but there are times when knowing more than the reader ever will helps keep that character in line and prevents me from having them do something that seems out of character for them.
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:10 pm
Sometimes I read through what people have posted before me so my reply is in accordance with what others have been saying. I didn't feel like doing that tonight. I am so ornery.
I love side characters too. I love Samwise and I love Kronk. I agree that a big reason for loving them is because they're stable, and you can just know who they are. But I think a key point to main characters is that they change through out the course of the book, whether you're writing or reading. So I don't criticize that. Of course I love my MC, cause I wouldn't write an entire trilogy on someone I wasn't infatuated with, but I LOVE my side characters too. I always want to make them more important (which I do).
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:26 pm
Kronk makes me giggle.
And why are you ornery?
In terms of keeping one character for a trilogy, I can't do it. I'm planning five books as it is, but the MC in Book I continues to decrease in... well, she's imperative to the huge overlying plot, but I switch her out. There's less focus on her in II, even less in III. By IV we're not in her head at all. She comes back in V, but by then she only has a few pages of action.
Using her as the main through all five just doesn't work in this case, but I can understand why someone would do it if the story is that huge and there's so much stuff happening. I think Terry Goodkind does it in the Sword of Truth series, but I can't be sure, as I lost interest about halfway through Wizard's First Rule (pathetic, I know, but alas...)
Just to finish the thought, though, in my series, I phase out of using Book I's MC and bring the side characters into the limelight a little more. You get into the guy's head in Book II. He's got less of a role in III, where their kids are the MCs (split POV). IV is an anthology of sorts. I haven't planed out V so much, so I can't really comment on that yet.
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:26 am
General, I just got back from a long and kind of unsuccessful trip which is why I was ornery. I'm okay now (I finally got enough sleep).
I think changing to a different MC through out your books is a brilliant idea. I also think that in an epic series, changing between MC's would be very conventional and functional. I wish it would happen more often. I don't know if you read Fablehaven- its more for junior high kids and maybe highschool- but there are two MC's, and for a good portion of the books, they're not even together. That was fantastic. I loved the changing points of view, and there was just so much happening, one person was not going to cover it.
(I lose interest in books all the time. Especially cause I think mine are going to be better)
The more importance you can bring to more characters, the better. Generally. I actually just read this book called The City of Flowers and the POV changed around so much and so many people were crucial to the plot, I couldn't keep it straight in my head.
I actually shortened my 'series' from six books, to three, because I realized I didn't want to write that much on the same topic (as much as I love it). I didn't have enough material to really fill six books, and now I feel more confident that I can actually get it done. I'm also really tired of series- I mean, I love the adventure but it does need to end some time, and series just drag it out forever. I don't want my work to be so long. Besides, it takes forever to find all six, or seven, or [insert number here] books of the series. Books only need to be long enough to get the story across. Even though its their story, I feel like alot of authors just waste time.
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:36 am
I haven't read Fablehaven or City of Flowers--I was very anti-reading throughout grade school (kicking myself for that now). But I know what you mean about their being too much going on. I started a book called Shadowmarch by Tad Williams, and while I loved the story when it was in the POV of the prince or the princess, the POV also switched between random characters that just didn't seem to have any importance at all. I'm sure they will later on, as it's a trilogy, but when there's that much information to take in, and all those different cultures being explored at once, it's terribly confusing.
We got a whole lecture on how to keep notes when we read Crime and Punishment in AP English, because we were going to get lost and confused with all the different characters and all their different names and so on and so forth. Personally, I found that book easy to keep up with.
I think two or three (in my case, four) POVs are manageable without becoming too overbearing. But it all depends on the writer's skill. Like I mentioned, I don't stay in all four POVs throughout the series. They fade in and they fade out. But that's just my opinion.
In terms of the story needing to end... It does, yeah, but I understand why it's really hard. If you're attached to your characters, it's hard to let them go. You just want the story to go on so you don't have to say goodbye. Which is why I'll cry when "The End" comes. I'll bawl like a baby, hands down. And then I'll feel some sort of satisfaction. I think it says something about the author, though, when they can end the story before it goes over the top of the bell curve. The sad thing is, a lot of authors become more interested in the money and less concerned about the quality of their work, and so they drag it out for as long as possible.
It's great that you realize you don't have enough material for six books. You might end up having to cut stuff, but the finished project will be so much tighter and probably all the more engaging. Good luck!
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:41 pm
I, too, have switched protagonists in a series. It just worked better that way for me. I also had the opposite "series" problem: I had to extend mine to three books because it got so big. This is not counting two "aside" books that take place in the same universe. I just simply could not contain it all in one story. I also will be sad, but I like the ending that I have planned. It neatly wraps things up, but leaves some things to the imagination. I think the most "switched POV's" in a series I have read is eleven, and that was the first arc of R.L. Stine's HorrorLand series. The protagonist literally changes with every book, though the last two books of the first arc had the same protagonist. He is writing two more arcs that also switch the protagonist each book save the last (though so far, it seems none of the characters from the first arc are returning). While I have just started the second arc, the POV count is now up to nineteen (this is counting books that I know of that have not been published yet). I must say, though, it works for this series. I am also in agreement with stories being only as long as they need to be. I do not rush out for the latest trend installments (mostly movies---I have ranted about the Shrek series, and feel no loss at not seeing the fourth). I also tend to ignore things that either make no sense (like certain comics...I am admittedly lenient and willing to forgive some aspects of comic book science, but the Scarebeast pushed even my willing suspension of disbelief over the edge), or were unnecessarily extended (like most Disney sequels).
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:56 pm
Nightmare1 I also tend to ignore things that either make no sense (like certain comics...I am admittedly lenient and willing to forgive some aspects of comic book science, but the Scarebeast pushed even my willing suspension of disbelief over the edge), or were unnecessarily extended (like most Disney sequels). Aladdin, King of Thieves. Unnecessary? Yes. Worth it? Totally. Cinderella 2 & 3, however, should be destroyed, as should Mulan II. I can forgive Bambi II and the Beauty and the Beast Christmas movie, but only barely.
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