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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:39 am
I just sat down to do some serious work on my novel the other day, and I realized how much of the original plot I wanted to cut out, shift around, and add to. To an outsider, the story hasn't actually changed too much, but as the writer, I can't believe how much I altered my old plot. I find it completely thrilling, I love going in and making adjustments. Each time I bring my story closer and closer together.
Now, I'm one of those people who goes through and plans everything before I write it, but I've noticed alot of users here make everything up as they go. Do you still ever go through a plot overhaul? How much do you tend to change what you've written? Do you change your story more before or after you've written it? And how much do you love it?
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:52 pm
I'm one for planning the beginning and letting my mind flow. I find if I plan too much, it just feels robotic. Surprisingly, I've never had to alter the plot. It just always works, so I must be lucky like that. After I've written it, I fill in any holes and just edit it like mad. Today I was planning out my new fiction and I cut most of it from just looking at it. But that is it.
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DesertRoseFallen Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:14 pm
It's not necessarily planning, per say, but for my major project my co-writer and I wrote out the original draft years ago. When it came time to write another draft of it, we took a look and were amazed at how badly the plot needed to be overhauled. We took some basic elements from the original (like a general timeline, at least at the beginning) but so much was changed drastically. It's crazy, in my eyes, but I love how much better everything fits together now.
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:19 pm
@Desert: Being 'robotic', as you put it, is something I have to watch out for. And I must say you have ample luck and skill/creativity to be able to make it up as you go, and have it turn out so well. I think I would go a little crazy if I didn't know what was going to happen next.
When I come across holes, all my writing stops, and I sit down on my bed with some good music for an hour, til I think of something that will work (and by 'work' I mean I have to be hit with a cosmic blast of inspiration)
@Puppa: If I go back to things I wrote years ago, I generally tend to die a little bit reading over them. I can't believe how cliche and predictable I was! It doesn't help that my writing was just awful. I've been working on a novel for a few years now, and all that remains of the old plotline is the villan. And I'm still working on changing her. The recent overhaul I just went through wasn't nearly to that extent, but it changed sooo much. My story is like a pet to me, and every time I change it to fit together better, I love it more. Even more than the pets I actually have.
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:02 pm
I'll write as it comes to me. I find that knowing too much makes me lose interest and stop writing. Occasionally, I'll plan out a few events along the way, but usually the only thing I'll know is the end.
That being said, I do a ton of overhauling. Things that don't work are cut, reworked, or replaced. But since I like a lot of what I write, even if it doesn't fit, I keep a "deleted scenes" file on hand. It's usually the character's choices and conversations that change, but that leads to plot changes. Even still, it always feels more true to character, and in my opinion, that's all that matters.
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:54 am
Princess - It's how I've always worked. I see writers all over saying they need to plan every detail or know at least how it ends. I can't work like that. I plan only the beginning and even then, that can change! Haha, I've been writing for so many years, I just go with the flow.
Phade - Exactly. Knowing too much puts me off. The whole element of surprise is inspiration enough and I am lucky to have everything fit together perfectly smile
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DesertRoseFallen Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:24 pm
@General: I keep so called 'deleted scenes' all the time. I especially love just randomly writing an exerpt from some part of the plotline I haven't reached yet, and although its bound to change by the time it would fit in with the rest of my writing, I have to keep it anyway.
@Desert: Funny that you say that, I have yet to meet someone who doesn't make it up as they go. Geez, the people we're surrounded by xd . I'm glad you've found what works for you. And I have to tell you the beginnng is what I have more problems with than anything. Its really crucial to me, I want it to still matter halfway into my novel. Take Harry Potter for example; in the very beginning, he understands the snake at the zoo. You assume it's just because he's a wizard. Then in the second book, you find out he actually has a special gift (parseltongue?). That's cool in itself. In the seventh book, you find out he can speak it because Voldemort has left some of his soul inside Harry, and Harry ends up having to die and whatnot to get rid of it. There it is, something you NEVER would have seen coming and its hinted at from the VERY BEGINNING! Its so genius it overwhelms me. Yes, I need a beginning like that.
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:11 am
Every last one of my plots gets keel-hauled and changed two or three times before I am happy with it. I have come to learn that there are "stages" to my writing:
-Initial idea. This is where I start to write it all out and get it out of my head. -Tearing the idea apart. Because what sounds good in my head sucks as soon as I write it down. -Build it back up again. This is where I change, delete, move things around, and rewrite the first idea.
Rinse and repeat as necessary. By the time I finish, the final plot barely resembles what I started with (usually). A few key things stay the same, but the rest is different.
For example, I have a side story about a girl (who owns a lovely porcelain doll) who starts out pretty, then gets her face broken when her little sister breaks her doll. Originally, the story was told in the little sister's viewpoint to see what her older sister is going through, and trying to find a way to fix it. The doll (and other toys) would come to life at the end and give the little sister the key to "fixing" both the doll and her sister. Something about her sister and her doll sharing some kind of link, and fixing the doll/making the doll feel better about herself would in turn help her sister. There was also a side plot with the older sister's boyfriend that took a back seat to the little sister trying to help. The older sister also originally had an accident involving the mall escalator to get her face broken to begin with.
The current version is told in the older sister's perspective, where she was insecure before, and is moreso now because of her face. While the younger sister still tries to help her, the doll does not come to life at all, and has become more symbolism than anything. The boyfriend subplot is more prominent as he tries to help his girlfriend regain her confidence, and the older sister has an emotionally abusive ex that was simply mentioned in the old version, but now has a far larger role. The accident changes too: her face gets broken in a car accident.
In both versions, the damage to the older sister's face is permanent. The damage itself and the older sister's insecurities are about the only things that stay consistent in both versions. Characters, character personalities, gimmicks, settings, and plot points changed as needed.
As mentioned, I keep doing this as necessary. I have one story that is on its third overhaul, and I am finally getting to be happy with it, as lately, most of what I felt needed to change were minor tweaks and altercations. If I have a fourth "overhaul," it will just simply be a series of these little fixes instead of literally re-writing the whole thing. Words cannot describe the love I have for this current version.
I am not afraid to admit to myself that something I wrote is garbage. It just means I go back to it later when I am older and wiser and have better ideas to put the pieces together. I am one of those lucky, "things just fall into place" kind of authors. And sometimes, those things falling into place leads to an overhaul...
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DesertRoseFallen Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:37 am
Neuschwanstein Princess @Desert: Funny that you say that, I have yet to meet someone who doesn't make it up as they go. Geez, the people we're surrounded by xd . I'm glad you've found what works for you. And I have to tell you the beginnng is what I have more problems with than anything. Its really crucial to me, I want it to still matter halfway into my novel. Take Harry Potter for example; in the very beginning, he understands the snake at the zoo. You assume it's just because he's a wizard. Then in the second book, you find out he actually has a special gift (parseltongue?). That's cool in itself. In the seventh book, you find out he can speak it because Voldemort has left some of his soul inside Harry, and Harry ends up having to die and whatnot to get rid of it. There it is, something you NEVER would have seen coming and its hinted at from the VERY BEGINNING! Its so genius it overwhelms me. Yes, I need a beginning like that. Haha yes, genius, but it took her so many years to perfect it. She is a great storyteller, though she lost me for a few years after her writing in the last few books read more like a script. I could tell she had been influenced by the fact her books were films. I hated the whole Rom/Hermione, Harry/Ginny thing...ugh. However, keeping it on writing, I wish I could plan it all and be still so into it! Nightmare, I like your planning. It must be a long process though! Then again, it takes less time to write than it does to edit haha!
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:15 am
The last book felt a bit rushed, and I think she should have put more time into it. I drifted through the first half where Harry, Ron, and Hermione were camping, then got into it when things started happening in the second half.
It does take forever for me to write (I am only now starting to re-write the third overhaul of my main story), but even if it took me a hundred years to do, I want my stories to be good. A place for everything, and everything in its place.
I tend to think of writing a story like doing a jigsaw puzzle: the outer edge (the finalized idea) is easy. It is putting the rest of the pieces together that can be difficult, but so rewarding when they come together nicely.
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:27 pm
@Nightmare: Oooo, I love the idea of your story- so symbolic, and self esteem is a real issue people deal with. But don't worry about me using your ideas. Even though I'd love to read your book once you finished, its not the kind of thing I write.
I'm actually really paranoid of people stealing my ideas. I suppose you could translate that to mean: My ideas are so brilliant, other authors couldn't resist using them! But thats not how I mean it (not really) It doesn't help that I'm surrounded by writing friends that I've seen steal ideas from each other. Yeah, I keep my mouth shut around them.
@Desert (and Nightmare) Everyone I've talked to thinks the first half of the 7th book read slow, and the romanic pairings were pretty predictable- except that I personally didn't realize Harry would fall in love with Ginny, but looking back I don't see how I missed it.
Also, its a little confusing and funny to me that the three of us are having conversations in three or four different threads right now.
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:48 pm
The basics I gave are simple enough that someone could try to steal it, but come up with something different. Hence I had no problem with posting it. ^^
I have been down the "someone stole this from me" path. I am very protective, and I purposely have stories I do not care so much about showing off so I have proof that I can write for this reason.
Ron and Hermione was hinted at through the whole series, but Ginny and Harry came out of left field for me. But I do not mind either one.
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:12 pm
Goodness Gracious! I just finished with my plot overhaul! I have made some changes that I am extremely happy with, and the best part is: I feel like I can finally confidently start writing. Now, I've written little pieces and tidbits here and there, but because I'm altering things so often, I'm never sure if what I wrote last will still apply ten days down the road.
Nightmare, I guess after all the discussing we've done on basic plots (in one of those other threads) I realize even more now that all authors are using old and simple ideas, but they come up with such a fantastic variety of stories anyway.
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:45 pm
It is a wonderful feeling, yes? As the saying goes, you cannot make an omelet without breaking some eggs.
Indeed. As mentioned elsewhere in this guild, there is nothing new under the sun, just new ways to present and weave what is already there.
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:27 pm
Ohh! I love this! I'm actually just about wrapping up my second large plot overhaul. I love it. I'm dying to write but I'm trying to hold back until I get a clearer ending (it's still a little muddled).
I've changed quite a bit, although definitely for the better. My outline before was pretty bare, and I kept getting stuck, so I went in and buffed it up - it went from 10 pages to 21 (so far, so give a few) pages! All in outline format. ^^
I think my changes happen in the middle, mostly. I got to a point where I couldn't continue, it was like a block, even though I knew where I wanted my story to go, there were too many blanks that weren't filled in properly. Now that that's almost over, I'll probably write a whole lot and then go back and overhaul my plot a third time. ^^
I love it SO MUCH.
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