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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:25 pm


What do you consider a fundamentalist? Are you one? In any religion, what defines one? Are most of them crazy/dangerous, or is there good reason to be that way about your religion? Does it matter what religion they're from?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:31 pm


I consider myself a fundamentalist because the three defintions I've heard for a Christian fundamentalist is one who believes the Bible is 100% true, one who believes the Nicene Creed, or one who believes these five fundamentals of Christianity:
1) The Bible is without error and was inspired by the Holy Spirit.
2) Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born.
3) Jesus Saved us through His death.
4) Jesus rose from the dead.
5) God's miracles were real.
It all matches what I believe, so unless I get a different defintion, I guess I am one.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:46 pm


For me, being a fundamentalist is knowing a thing, learning about it, believing in it and following it.
e.g. a doctor is a fundamentalist in madicals ...etc.

And I am a fundamentalist in Islam.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:33 am


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1) The Bible is without error and was inspired by the Holy Spirit.


I never understood that myself and it's one of the main reasons I'm not a Christian. I just can't understand how the stories are supposed to be taken literally. You ask me it would be better for all if they were taken metaphorically, in which case the meaning of the various stories are far more important than stating the stories are fact and living accordingly. I'd rather it be expressed that 'the power of faith leads you to God's protection, here's some stories that demonstrate how that works' than to go 'God literally created the universe and I'm going to start a huge argument and debate in schools over that!' To me, it just seems ridiculous to focus on the details when it's far better to focus on the overall message itself.

Ah but that's me. Not to down you, just saying I never understood that point of view. Then again, I never understood leaps of faith period.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:55 am


xxEternallyBluexx
I consider myself a fundamentalist because the three defintions I've heard for a Christian fundamentalist is one who believes the Bible is 100% true, one who believes the Nicene Creed, or one who believes these five fundamentals of Christianity:
1) The Bible is without error and was inspired by the Holy Spirit.



I disagree. I am a Christian and I believe the Bible is the Word of God and inspired by the Holy Ghost, but it is not with out error.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:58 pm


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xxEternallyBluexx
I consider myself a fundamentalist because the three defintions I've heard for a Christian fundamentalist is one who believes the Bible is 100% true, one who believes the Nicene Creed, or one who believes these five fundamentals of Christianity:
1) The Bible is without error and was inspired by the Holy Spirit.



I disagree. I am a Christian and I believe the Bible is the Word of God and inspired by the Holy Ghost, but it is not with out error.


Even inspired by God, man is prone to error- Hence Jihad being turned into terrorism and a field guide to survival in the year 10,000 BC being turned into hard and fast rules of God.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:32 pm


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xxEternallyBluexx
I consider myself a fundamentalist because the three defintions I've heard for a Christian fundamentalist is one who believes the Bible is 100% true, one who believes the Nicene Creed, or one who believes these five fundamentals of Christianity:
1) The Bible is without error and was inspired by the Holy Spirit.



I disagree. I am a Christian and I believe the Bible is the Word of God and inspired by the Holy Ghost, but it is not with out error.


Even inspired by God, man is prone to error- Hence Jihad being turned into terrorism and a field guide to survival in the year 10,000 BC being turned into hard and fast rules of God.



Of course. I don't deny that man is prone to error, which is why I stated my reply the way I did.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:14 pm


I usually see fundamentalism used to describe extremist ideologies that are about controlling what others believe; fundamentalists believe they are the only ones who know the truth, be that a religious truth or otherwise, and see it as their calling to shove it onto as many other people as possible. If conversion to their one true way fails, the "ignorant" ones are in some way demonized or harassed, sometimes violently. In other words, its a snarl word.

Then there's the other usage, which simply describes someone who is operating on the "fundamentals" of something. What exactly the fundamentals are depends on context. I rarely use the word in this way personally, as it seems the snarl word definition prevails. But I'll readily admit this may merely be a byproduct of my own limited perspective.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:06 am


i tend to dislike most fundamentalists, because of the habit that most of them have to be stuck-up elitists and self-righteous pricks. so many times have i had to sit there and be ripped a new one because i don't agree with everything they believe in or say 100%. it's ******** bullshit. stare havn't they ever heard of "live and let live"? seriously, it's enough to make me wanna kill someone! stressed
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 2:02 pm


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i tend to dislike most fundamentalists, because of the habit that most of them have to be stuck-up elitists and self-righteous pricks. so many times have i had to sit there and be ripped a new one because i don't agree with everything they believe in or say 100%. it's ******** bullshit. stare havn't they ever heard of "live and let live"? seriously, it's enough to make me wanna kill someone! stressed

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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 2:04 pm


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I consider myself a fundamentalist because the three defintions I've heard for a Christian fundamentalist is one who believes the Bible is 100% true, one who believes the Nicene Creed, or one who believes these five fundamentals of Christianity:
1) The Bible is without error and was inspired by the Holy Spirit.



I disagree. I am a Christian and I believe the Bible is the Word of God and inspired by the Holy Ghost, but it is not with out error.

Then according to that definition, you aren't a Fundamentalist. I do believe it's without error, and that when it's used wrong, it's human interpretaion that fails and not the Book.
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 2:42 pm


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I consider myself a fundamentalist because the three defintions I've heard for a Christian fundamentalist is one who believes the Bible is 100% true, one who believes the Nicene Creed, or one who believes these five fundamentals of Christianity:
1) The Bible is without error and was inspired by the Holy Spirit.



I disagree. I am a Christian and I believe the Bible is the Word of God and inspired by the Holy Ghost, but it is not with out error.

Then according to that definition, you aren't a Fundamentalist. I do believe it's without error, and that when it's used wrong, it's human interpretaion that fails and not the Book.


No, I am not a fundamentalist. I can show you a whole bunch of scriptures where there are contradictions in the text. Not to mention are the grammitical errors, mistranslations, etc that are the Bible.

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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 3:54 pm


xxEternallyBluexx
What do you consider a fundamentalist?


Depends on the religion we're talking about.
If it's Christianity (which is what I automatically jump to when I hear the word "fundamentalist"), I consider that a Protestant who's a fan of Sola Scriptura, as well as other fairly mainstream Protestant teachings, and interprets the bible 100% literally.

As for other religions, nothing comes to mind. I don't know enough about other religions to tell what would qualify as a "fundamental" in those faiths.

xxEternallyBluexx
Are you one?


Not even close. In fact, all the fundie groups on campus tend to make it a hobby to try to convert all of us poor mislead Catholics.

xxEternallyBluexx
In any religion, what defines one?


The fundies define what it means to be a fundamentalist. Some group pops up and claims the title, giving their own interpretation of what exactly is so fundamental about their religion.

xxEternallyBluexx
Are most of them crazy/dangerous


Of course they are. They put the mental in fundamental. 3nodding

Just kidding.

xxEternallyBluexx
or is there good reason to be that way about your religion?


Personally, I don't understand why Christian fundies have the beliefs they do, but I assume that at least some of them, hopefully most of them, have good reasons for following that particular Christian path.
Of course, this is just in reference to the main stream fundie beliefs, not certain actions taken by certain individuals or groups who identify as such. I mean, I still think the various fundie groups on my college campus who ride people down for being Catholic are completely unjustified, but as far as I know, that's not really a central belief of all fundies. I could be wrong though . . . .

xxEternallyBluexx
Does it matter what religion they're from?


Does it matter for what?
For whether I think they're sane or crazy?
For whether they qualify as fundamentalists?
Something else?
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:12 pm


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xxEternallyBluexx
What do you consider a fundamentalist?


Depends on the religion we're talking about.
If it's Christianity (which is what I automatically jump to when I hear the word "fundamentalist"), I consider that a Protestant who's a fan of Sola Scriptura, as well as other fairly mainstream Protestant teachings, and interprets the bible 100% literally.

As for other religions, nothing comes to mind. I don't know enough about other religions to tell what would qualify as a "fundamental" in those faiths.

xxEternallyBluexx
Are you one?


Not even close. In fact, all the fundie groups on campus tend to make it a hobby to try to convert all of us poor mislead Catholics.

xxEternallyBluexx
In any religion, what defines one?


The fundies define what it means to be a fundamentalist. Some group pops up and claims the title, giving their own interpretation of what exactly is so fundamental about their religion.

xxEternallyBluexx
Are most of them crazy/dangerous


Of course they are. They put the mental in fundamental. 3nodding

Just kidding.

xxEternallyBluexx
or is there good reason to be that way about your religion?


Personally, I don't understand why Christian fundies have the beliefs they do, but I assume that at least some of them, hopefully most of them, have good reasons for following that particular Christian path.
Of course, this is just in reference to the main stream fundie beliefs, not certain actions taken by certain individuals or groups who identify as such. I mean, I still think the various fundie groups on my college campus who ride people down for being Catholic are completely unjustified, but as far as I know, that's not really a central belief of all fundies. I could be wrong though . . . .

xxEternallyBluexx
Does it matter what religion they're from?


Does it matter for what?
For whether I think they're sane or crazy?
For whether they qualify as fundamentalists?
Something else?

I have no idea what qualifies in other religions either. XD That's partly why I was wondering.

>.< That stinks. I think trying to convert other Christians is kinda silly, unless they're not really Christian (like Christian cults)

I think our church is all about following the Bible as closely as possible. I don't know what it's like with other fundies.

Does it matter whether you think they're sane?

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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:21 pm


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i tend to dislike most fundamentalists, because of the habit that most of them have to be stuck-up elitists and self-righteous pricks. so many times have i had to sit there and be ripped a new one because i don't agree with everything they believe in or say 100%. it's ******** bullshit. stare havn't they ever heard of "live and let live"? seriously, it's enough to make me wanna kill someone! stressed

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oh, no no, not all of you. xd i tend to expect it when i hear someone refer to themself as a fundamentalist, or when i hear someone else refer to them as it, but i have a personal rule about always giving someone a chance. i won't make a definite judgement about someone till i interact with them myself. if you don't come across as a self-righteous elitist i won't assume you are one just because your a fundamentalist. xd it's just that in my experience, most of them are, so i tend to be wary. it's the same way i feel about wiccans. alot of them are total fluff-bunnies,so i am disillusioned with the religion itself. however, i have some wiccan friends who are a bit less fluffy.
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