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Knight Garl Vinland Captain
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:40 am
to begin with, lets admit that no religion is nor good or bad. None is right, none has a true logic answer. and If a god does exist, for any religion, we have to admit they all exist.
So, whatever your religion is, even with a good found, it is false belief. But, what is your god, or what is a god.
thats my point here, I do not believe in any gods, but the popular definition of a god is its ultimate superiority, none is greater than this being. So, if nothing can be greater than it, we need to say that it created itself.
these speculations are easily crushed by infinity. wich mean, everything existed and will exist. wich means, there was something before that god, and will always be something after.
So, lets say we have a line, wich represents the limit of existence. I say, you can cross it, no limit exist, everything existed, like if the past is in constant motion, like the futur, wich make sense, because there always was something before something. But I wont get lost in details, lets come back to what I was saying.
This god did not exist forever, because there must have been something before, and something before...you get the picture.
So, on this earth, we are the strongest being, but there must be something, somewhere, that is superior to us. lets say a divinity called god. if we admit what Ive said on infinity, there must be something greater, than this god, because limits do not exist. and therefor, something greater than it, and something greater than...Again, you get the point.
So, an almighty god is impossible, why believing in a god that cannot be the greatest?
Then, my main point, what is a god? Now that Ive established that A god cannot really exists, it must mean it is like, spiritual, lets say, and therefor, everyone believe in "a different god". We have now reached my main question, what is a god to you?
I, as you all know, Im atheist, no religions fits me. it caused wars and no one should blindly follow...I wont argue on that...
then I say gods do not exist, but something superior to us do, you can call it god if it pleases you. but praying it is useless. why?
because here what a god is supposed to be:
A god does not need anyone, nor anything, it only needs itself. a god is "nowhere" wich means it doesnt need somewhere to be, maybe it doesnt need a body to habit. A god shouldnt need to be prayed, because it will not hear you, it doesnt need you. it reached a state where it is in constant happiness, forever. it doesnt think, or is somewhere to be, or care for something, it needs nothing because it is in this constant state of happiness (sorry if I seem to repeat myself) a god cannot be bored either, it isnt concious either, because it doesnt need to. This state of living being, can be called a god, a state where you dont really exist, because you dont need it, your brain, mind or soul if you want, has this constant state of happiness where it only needs itself. It contemplates itself, so to be. A god that needs to be prayed, that needs to create something, or whatever, is a selfish being, it has thoughts, .emotions' it needs something, if not, it wouldnt 'act' this way. because a true god doesnt need these things, it is what is is, in thi state of happinees, it doesnt need to do something, or even to think... I know its hard to imagine, to represent this thing, or what its like to be this way, but of course you cant lol
That is a god. So whats the point in doing all these things humans have done, for this god, who isnt concious of your existence, who doesnt need you? It reached whats called 'nirvana'. all it need is itself. its like it doenst exist, because it doesnt need to exist, in his ultimate stae so to say.
so, what is god for you? what do you believe in? how can you pray your god, or a god? how do you know it exists, what proof do you have? do you think it is the greatest being? can you pinpoint this being you believe in? do you doubt?
please dont be mad at me, I like philosophing and thinking about science, logic and religions. and please, dont do like all blind believers by telling me "well can you prove god doesnt exist?!" because I will respond with the law of infinity: in this infinite world, if you think of something it might exist somewhere, so if I think greater it might exists, so this god cannot be the greatest, even if it does exist, plus, you cant prove unicorns do not exist, can you? Im sure somewhere, in this infinite world, on a planet, theres an animal that looks like the concept we have of a unicorn, its not different than any god you believe in.
thats about it, of course theres always more to say on these matters, and it was quite troublesome to explain all this in english, I wouldve felt more comfortable stating my opinions in french ^^;
anyway, my main question, again, what is a god to you?
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:21 am
Intense. I myself, was born methodist, and grew up methodist. So, since birth I have believed in a god. I have believed that God existed my entire life. Now that im older and can understand everything that is being told to me, I can think about it more and examine everything im told. Nowadays, im questioning the existence of 'God.' I believe there is something out there but I wouldn't necessarily consider it a 'God.' And, as all of you know, if you have read my other posts.. I spend most of my time arguing that God does not exist, and that I usually have good reasons backing up my thought. So, yeah.. I believe there is something, not a god, but something. If you want to talk to me about it, either post a comment here or message me. I will be glad to have a good conversation.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:32 pm
A lot of people i know died. and i wanted to belive in a religan so much that the fact that i would see them again. so im say is i wasnt born into a religan but i wanted to take one up later in life. but it failed i just couldnt belive in any of the religans.
but THEN i did realise something. i dont belive in religan but i belive in GOOD and EVIL. otherwise the yin and the Yang. Good and Evil not as a supernatural sorce as books and films made us belive but as force. i belive that whatever background a person has makes them that sort of person later in life. In other words i can look at someone and see stright way that is behind THAT face, how they act, personaly and the way they talk.
so its not a religan but i could say its a understanding or respecting a person for who they are.
and im still scread of dieding and really not sure of seeing people again in the afterlife but after i realise about the fact i Could understand and respect people as they are i become happier. now days i wear the yin and yang symbol everywhere i go to remind myself...
i hope that made sences to everyone.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:34 pm
to the question what is god to me? i agree with thenightmare about ying and yang, i beleive that there is good and bad in every man women child and creature in existance though what makes us decide what choices to make is completly personal and random, i cant say i beleive in fate but luck and chance are something i can get behind as they are everyday occurences and are proven. i dont say i only beleive in what i see or the proof behind an explanation but in many cases what people deem as miricales i consider man made luck.
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Knight Garl Vinland Captain
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:45 pm
good and bad, it is a human conception, we are the only being on this earth that can think about these. but in escence, good and evil cannot exist, we created it. killing someone is bad, to us. but if I kill for my own survival, is it good or bad? should I have let myself killed so I didnt act 'bad'? and in a murderer's conception , killing isnt a bad thing.
the only thing that will have an effect on you, other than human's law punishment, like prison, or whatever, is guilt.
other than that, if I kill anyone I see, and no one can stop me, like if I was incincible, and in my mind killing is a good thing. logicaly, nothing supernatural will come and punish me, except time itself, if I die of age.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:46 pm
Good and Bad is based on your own personal judgement.
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Knight Garl Vinland Captain
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:58 pm
salamencebag91 Good and Bad is based on your own personal judgement. simply put, yes.
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:37 am
KaosMoon salamencebag91 Good and Bad is based on your own personal judgement. simply put, yes.Lets see if I can give an example.. Fighting. Most people say it is bad, I dont think so. If some rich kid who has never been disciplined comes into the school and starts acting all bad a** thinking hes tough cause hes rich, i think that people should be able to beat the hell out of him and teach him a lesson. You cant get by in life with money and s**t. So, id say teach him that lesson early on in life so he doesn't ******** up later. Understand?
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:33 pm
salamencebag91 KaosMoon salamencebag91 Good and Bad is based on your own personal judgement. simply put, yes.Lets see if I can give an example.. Fighting. Most people say it is bad, I dont think so. If some rich kid who has never been disciplined comes into the school and starts acting all bad a** thinking hes tough cause hes rich, i think that people should be able to beat the hell out of him and teach him a lesson. You cant get by in life with money and s**t. So, id say teach him that lesson early on in life so he doesn't ******** up later. Understand? this is your personal judgement on right and wrong most people would agree that he deserves a smack in the mouth but who would u be doing a favour really? the kids got enough money to be set for life cause in society money talks, its power so even though he may realise he dosnt have power in school to be a tough guy outside his father with alot of influence calls the school the kids who caused his son harmed are expelled and the rich kid now has a reputation of being able to screw up your life if you cross him with just a single phone call so who really wins in this situation?
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:42 pm
Raylina Avalon salamencebag91 KaosMoon salamencebag91 Good and Bad is based on your own personal judgement. simply put, yes.Lets see if I can give an example.. Fighting. Most people say it is bad, I dont think so. If some rich kid who has never been disciplined comes into the school and starts acting all bad a** thinking hes tough cause hes rich, i think that people should be able to beat the hell out of him and teach him a lesson. You cant get by in life with money and s**t. So, id say teach him that lesson early on in life so he doesn't ******** up later. Understand? this is your personal judgement on right and wrong most people would agree that he deserves a smack in the mouth but who would u be doing a favour really? the kids got enough money to be set for life cause in society money talks, its power so even though he may realise he dosnt have power in school to be a tough guy outside his father with alot of influence calls the school the kids who caused his son harmed are expelled and the rich kid now has a reputation of being able to screw up your life if you cross him with just a single phone call so who really wins in this situation? Then the kids who were expelled get pissed at the rich boy and they go kick his a** and/or kill him. Okay, they go to prison, or in some states death, but still, rich boy is dead. Who wins now?
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:24 am
u wirted a lot ... i'm to lazy to read this right now ... but maybe in another day i will ....anyway .. it says y'll go in the eden or in the hell ( depends what kind of person y were in this world ) .... and that mean that if u die u'll find out if God really exist or not ... so dieing is the only sure why u can be sure of something.... xd 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:55 am
mio73 u wirted a lot ... i'm to lazy to read this right now ... but maybe in another day i will ....anyway .. it says y'll go in the eden or in the hell ( depends what kind of person y were in this world ) .... and that mean that if u die u'll find out if God really exist or not ... so dieing is the only sure why u can be sure of something.... xd 3nodding sorry but I have to disagree on this. I dont believe in any afterlife. I dont have to taste poo to know its bad, so I dont need to die to know if heaven or whatever your fantasy world after death exists. human brain is like a computer, when it stops working its over. sadly unlike the chips of a computer, the brain's cells cant be regenerated or replaced.
The concept of when you die its all over is hard to believe for some humans, because theyre scared. but theres nothing to be scared, since once dead you cannot feel it. your brain stops working so is your mind and all the informations in your brain are 'erased'.
use your human logic, such heaven and hell do not exist. not after death.
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Knight Garl Vinland Captain
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:15 am
KaosMoon mio73 u wirted a lot ... i'm to lazy to read this right now ... but maybe in another day i will ....anyway .. it says y'll go in the eden or in the hell ( depends what kind of person y were in this world ) .... and that mean that if u die u'll find out if God really exist or not ... so dieing is the only sure why u can be sure of something.... xd 3nodding sorry but I have to disagree on this. I dont believe in any afterlife. I dont have to taste poo to know its bad, so I dont need to die to know if heaven or whatever your fantasy world after death exists. human brain is like a computer, when it stops working its over. sadly unlike the chips of a computer, the brain's cells cant be regenerated or replaced.
The concept of when you die its all over is hard to believe for some humans, because theyre scared. but theres nothing to be scared, since once dead you cannot feel it. your brain stops working so is your mind and all the informations in your brain are 'erased'.
use your human logic, such heaven and hell do not exist. not after death.if it's reall ... then after death will be just like a long sleep , don't have anything to do .. everything is ok and u don't have to worry that u can arrive in the hell ... well that sounds perfect .. if it would had a computer it would be just like the best thing ... and without computer is ok too ... just great .. i wish i'll die faster ... 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:26 am
You know, I've always felt that ruining surprises was a bit mean but I figure I can save you all a whole lot of time. This is how it all happened. There see now you don't have to wait till you die to find out ^_^
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Knight Garl Vinland Captain
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:30 am
mio73 KaosMoon mio73 u wirted a lot ... i'm to lazy to read this right now ... but maybe in another day i will ....anyway .. it says y'll go in the eden or in the hell ( depends what kind of person y were in this world ) .... and that mean that if u die u'll find out if God really exist or not ... so dieing is the only sure why u can be sure of something.... xd 3nodding sorry but I have to disagree on this. I dont believe in any afterlife. I dont have to taste poo to know its bad, so I dont need to die to know if heaven or whatever your fantasy world after death exists. human brain is like a computer, when it stops working its over. sadly unlike the chips of a computer, the brain's cells cant be regenerated or replaced.
The concept of when you die its all over is hard to believe for some humans, because theyre scared. but theres nothing to be scared, since once dead you cannot feel it. your brain stops working so is your mind and all the informations in your brain are 'erased'.
use your human logic, such heaven and hell do not exist. not after death.if it's reall ... then after death will be just like a long sleep , don't have anything to do .. everything is ok and u don't have to worry that u can arrive in the hell ... well that sounds perfect .. if it would had a computer it would be just like the best thing ... and without computer is ok too ... just great .. i wish i'll die faster ... 3nodding you cant say itll be great, nor dull. you cease to exists. but arguing with you seems futile, so I'll leave it at that.
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