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 Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:03 pm
So I don't know the full details but apparently the missionaries over where my aunt and uncle now live are teaching falsely just to get people baptized. ;____; And when my uncle teaches his class, the converts get all confused because they were taught differently and then the bishop and such get mad at /him/ for doing that. They will be all like, "Oh. Well, don't listen to him. He's a Utah mormon." Wouldn't that make him the best mormon there is, stereotypically?
But yeah. This really bothers me. I know it says in the last days that even the most elect will be tried, but it's making me feel all... surrounded by liars and distrustful of everybody. D:
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:24 pm
IF the missionaries are teaching falsely just for the sake of numbers, then someone needs to take care of that.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:09 pm
Teh Shea-ness They will be all like, "Oh. Well, don't listen to him. He's a Utah mormon." Wouldn't that make him the best mormon there is, stereotypically? No it wouldn't. Being in or from Utah has nothing to do with one's knowledge of the gospel. What I'd like to know is, what is it that the missionaries are teaching that your uncle thinks is wrong?
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:58 pm
So you're basically saying that Utah Mormons are the best? Sweet way to discriminate. Oh sorry, I'm from Colorado that makes me a sucky Mormon. I was unaware of that!
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:48 pm
You don't need to take offense at that comment. I disagree that Utah members are the best, and I am from there. The only thing really with Utah members is that it is (in many cases) easier for them. That's not necessarily a bonus, in some ways. The harder you strive, the better your testimony. So, in some ways, Utah members are weaker (generally speaking). All in all, it depends on the PERSON. In any case, people should not get offended or feel discriminated against so easily. I'm sorry if I seem harsh, cuz I'm not trying to be. But it's just not necessary.
About the missionaries, however, it just goes to show that the world is getting scarier, and that people can't rely solely on what people tell them. They need to study things out and get testimonies for themselves.
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Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:40 pm
I said /stereotypically/. I'm under no obligation to think anyone from any place is better than the other. I did not mean to offend anyone by the comment. I agree that it depends on the person not from where they are /from/. That's why I made sure to say /stereotypically/.
stereotype - a simplified and standardized conception or image invested with special meaning and held in common by members of a group
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Blanket beliefs and expectations about members of certain groups that present an oversimplified opinion or prejudiced attitude
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to give a fixed form to.
By most stereotypes, people believe that mormons from Utah are 'better' because it was such a LDS filled state at one time. I'm not for stereotypes, I was just saying that if those people are going to go under a stereotype of mormons, it's kind of backwards.
More info... This was in Indiana but we don't know if it's the Indiana mission or the Ohio, since they're right on the border of Ohio. The two missionaries were sent home. No idea if you get excommunicated for doing something like that.
Please don't take that /I'm/ saying LDS members from Utah are more or less than the rest. I think nothing of the sort. JUST TO CLARIFY THAT. Geez. What kind of person do people take me for? @___@
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Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:21 pm
I served in Indiana. What location is this? and what was talked about or taught falsely? The Mission president of that area does not rely on Numbers... Numbers is bull. plain and simple. that's what the whole know lessons are for.
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:48 pm
None of us are beating on you or taking any concrete ideas on how you are. they're just stating on your statement and that's about it.
Really though, spend three months in Utah, perferably in Cove Fort, and you'll know for a fact how bad Utah mormons can be. little over 20 years ago, it was the drug capitol of Utah. Fact not fiction. don't know if it's that way now, but it was when my mom did a lesson on drugs there and she did quite a bit of research and had to go to Salt lake to finally get the facts. the locals wouldn't say a thing.
Most of my info on Utah mormons is old. I know lots of former utah mormons adn I know there's a stigma about outsiders. When I was little, my family(of 12 kids) was shunned because we were visiting from Cali. Course my family's shunned in general *scratches head*. Weird... Anywho, I heard that the small town Utah MOrmon mentality involves, for the boys at least, was to get babtized at 8, go to mutual and stuff during high school, go on mission, get married in temple, then go inactive. That's what I've heard.
Just because that's the LDS historic headguarters doesn't mean it's going to stay good forever. Take the nephites for example. After Helaman, the nephites went evil and the lamemites were good. The third nephi had a fit over that, but that's what happened. As the scripture says, "woe unto him that says all's well in Zion." Paraphrasing of course, but it's there. Also a verse out there about clensing the inner vessle and how the actions of known members were making it difficult for new converts, but can't quote them right now. A good friend once was told that the church is a hospital for sinners, so don't expect perfection out of people. I heard another phrase about how the church is true, but not nessissarily the people.
HOpe I didn't rattle too many cages. if you want, igore it all and imagine I don't exist.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:56 pm
OKAY everybody, listen up. I live in Utah. There are some of the worst and the best Mormons here. (I am neither... I don't think) Why? Because there are the MOST. Biggest test sample. HOWEVER, That is SO not the issue here. The issue is missionaries allegedly teaching false doctrine to get people baptized for numbers. I have bolded the biggest problem I can see here... Teh Shea-ness So I don't know the full details but apparently the missionaries over where my aunt and uncle now live are teaching falsely just to get people baptized. ;____; And when my uncle teaches his class, the converts get all confused because they were taught differently and then the bishop and such get mad at /him/ for doing that. They will be all like, "Oh. Well, don't listen to him. He's a Utah mormon." Wouldn't that make him the best mormon there is, stereotypically?
But yeah. This really bothers me. I know it says in the last days that even the most elect will be tried, but it's making me feel all... surrounded by liars and distrustful of everybody. D: We DON'T know what the missionaries said (heck, we don't even know what Teh Shea-ness HEARD they said! Shea?). We ALSO don't know how much was how converts INTERPRETED what they heard. We also don't know if those things were not FALSE, but maybe DEEPER than are taught by missionaries to converts (MISSIONARIES DO NOT TEACH IT ALL). AND we also don't know if the missionaries were just WRONG, like mistaken. (They are human and certainly not infallible. Even though sometimes converts feel a bit of hero worship for "their" missionaries. So lets quit jumping to conclusions... AND quit jumping down each others throats and being so quick to get offended!
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