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 Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:46 pm
My sister sent me this earlier today, I just wanted to share this with people to show how much our society has evolved in 40 years.
The difference between 1967 and 2007
Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
1967 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up best friends.
2007 - Police called. SWAT team arrives. Johnny and Mark are arrested and charged with assault. Both are expelled even though Johnny started it.
Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
1967 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the
Principal. He returns to class, sits still, and does not disrupt class again.
2007 - Jeffrey is diagnosed with A.D.D. and given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. School gets extra money from State because Jeffrey has a learning disability.
Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1967 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to
college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is placed in
foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist convinces Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself, and their dad goes to prison. Billy's Mom has affair with psychologist.
Scenario: Mark has a headache and brings some aspirin to school.
1967 - Mark takes aspirin in lunchroom and headache goes away.
2007 - Police called. Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. Car is searched for drugs and weapons.
Scenario: Pedro fails English in high school.
1967 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given a diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.
Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a fire ant hill.
1967 - Ants die.
2007 - Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Homeland Security, and FBI called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates parents; siblings are removed from home; computers are confiscated. Johnny's dad goes on Terror Watch List and is never allowed to fly again.
Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher who hugs him to comfort him.
1967 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2007 - Teacher is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces three years in state prison. Johnny undergoes five years of therapy.
Kinda sad isn't it? Of course what makes it even sadder is that it's pretty much all true once you think about it. Ok, I will admit some of them are a bit exaggerated, but it helps to illustrate the point
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:31 pm
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:29 pm
Anyone else have anything to say about this?
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:26 am
I would say it's a total romanticisation of the past, and bears little resemblance to how it would have really played out, combined with a paranoia-laced prediction of the present based of an over-sensationalising media.
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:54 pm
Redem I would say it's a total romanticisation of the past, and bears little resemblance to how it would have really played out, combined with a paranoia-laced prediction of the present based of an over-sensationalising media. Ok, it is a bit dramatized/sensationalized and completely accurate, but that is not the point of this. The point is that in this day and age, doing pretty much anything that is even considered remotely illegal, dangerous and/or considered unusual by social norms is heavily frowned upon and the reaction to it is generally overblown and taken way out of context and proportion.
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 4:49 am
The modern characterisations are gross exagerations, though.
People who get in fights are usually given a good talking to by the teachers, and maybe a write up on their record, but that's about it. Unless weapons are used, or there's been a rash of recent injuries or something.
And I can't think of any instances of a parent being jailed for punishing their kid with a butt-whipping.
As for the drugs thing, meh. That's what "zero tolerance" gets you.
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 6:30 pm
Redem The modern characterisations are gross exagerations, though. People who get in fights are usually given a good talking to by the teachers, and maybe a write up on their record, but that's about it. Unless weapons are used, or there's been a rash of recent injuries or something. And I can't think of any instances of a parent being jailed for punishing their kid with a butt-whipping. As for the drugs thing, meh. That's what "zero tolerance" gets you. You have obviously never been to my high school. Back in 2006, two guys got in a fist fight and apparently they got so into it, that the police and believe the SWAT teams got involved. Neither of them were ever heard from again. I'm sure there's a few instances somewhere, just need to look. I had one such instance, but I've been so busy lately I've completely forgotten it That one is probably the only one that hasn't been too terribly exaggerated.
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:20 am
Arios V Redem The modern characterisations are gross exagerations, though. People who get in fights are usually given a good talking to by the teachers, and maybe a write up on their record, but that's about it. Unless weapons are used, or there's been a rash of recent injuries or something. And I can't think of any instances of a parent being jailed for punishing their kid with a butt-whipping. As for the drugs thing, meh. That's what "zero tolerance" gets you. You have obviously never been to my high school. Back in 2006, two guys got in a fist fight and apparently they got so into it, that the police and believe the SWAT teams got involved. Neither of them were ever heard from again. I'm sure there's a few instances somewhere, just need to look. I had one such instance, but I've been so busy lately I've completely forgotten it That one is probably the only one that hasn't been too terribly exaggerated. 'bout ummm... 7 years ago I got in a fight in school, not even really a fight as such. I was just in a bad mood, and hit a guy over something minor... knocked him out cold, and fell, and hit his head on the hard marble floor. Hospital trip. Result? Nothing, not even a punishment, and nothing on record. Just a "talking to". Most fights in my school were the same, even those that went pretty far, and we're not talking some inner city stereotypical warzone of a school. It was a private school, I think that's what you would call them in the US. Or a Catholic grammar school as we call it. Sure, you can look up extreme events, you could probably do the same for 50 years ago. There are obviously differences between the two time periods, but I don't buy the way they are characterised there. Either of the two.
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 5:54 pm
Redem Arios V Redem The modern characterisations are gross exagerations, though. People who get in fights are usually given a good talking to by the teachers, and maybe a write up on their record, but that's about it. Unless weapons are used, or there's been a rash of recent injuries or something. And I can't think of any instances of a parent being jailed for punishing their kid with a butt-whipping. As for the drugs thing, meh. That's what "zero tolerance" gets you. You have obviously never been to my high school. Back in 2006, two guys got in a fist fight and apparently they got so into it, that the police and believe the SWAT teams got involved. Neither of them were ever heard from again. I'm sure there's a few instances somewhere, just need to look. I had one such instance, but I've been so busy lately I've completely forgotten it That one is probably the only one that hasn't been too terribly exaggerated. 'bout ummm... 7 years ago I got in a fight in school, not even really a fight as such. I was just in a bad mood, and hit a guy over something minor... knocked him out cold, and fell, and hit his head on the hard marble floor. Hospital trip. Result? Nothing, not even a punishment, and nothing on record. Just a "talking to". Most fights in my school were the same, even those that went pretty far, and we're not talking some inner city stereotypical warzone of a school. It was a private school, I think that's what you would call them in the US. Or a Catholic grammar school as we call it. Sure, you can look up extreme events, you could probably do the same for 50 years ago. There are obviously differences between the two time periods, but I don't buy the way they are characterised there. Either of the two. Oh wait, you're not from the US are you? Most of this stuff on this list has to do with the US. Here in America, if a fight breaks out in school, usually the administrators and police are mobilized, even if only one or two punches are thrown. As I said, they are a bit on the overly dramatic side, but here in America, they are not too terribly far from the truth.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:00 pm
Arios V Redem Arios V Redem The modern characterisations are gross exagerations, though. People who get in fights are usually given a good talking to by the teachers, and maybe a write up on their record, but that's about it. Unless weapons are used, or there's been a rash of recent injuries or something. And I can't think of any instances of a parent being jailed for punishing their kid with a butt-whipping. As for the drugs thing, meh. That's what "zero tolerance" gets you. You have obviously never been to my high school. Back in 2006, two guys got in a fist fight and apparently they got so into it, that the police and believe the SWAT teams got involved. Neither of them were ever heard from again. I'm sure there's a few instances somewhere, just need to look. I had one such instance, but I've been so busy lately I've completely forgotten it That one is probably the only one that hasn't been too terribly exaggerated. 'bout ummm... 7 years ago I got in a fight in school, not even really a fight as such. I was just in a bad mood, and hit a guy over something minor... knocked him out cold, and fell, and hit his head on the hard marble floor. Hospital trip. Result? Nothing, not even a punishment, and nothing on record. Just a "talking to". Most fights in my school were the same, even those that went pretty far, and we're not talking some inner city stereotypical warzone of a school. It was a private school, I think that's what you would call them in the US. Or a Catholic grammar school as we call it. Sure, you can look up extreme events, you could probably do the same for 50 years ago. There are obviously differences between the two time periods, but I don't buy the way they are characterised there. Either of the two. Oh wait, you're not from the US are you? Most of this stuff on this list has to do with the US. Here in America, if a fight breaks out in school, usually the administrators and police are mobilized, even if only one or two punches are thrown. As I said, they are a bit on the overly dramatic side, but here in America, they are not too terribly far from the truth. I really find it hard to believe that the presented scenarios are... common. Even given the cultural differences between the US and UK.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:56 pm
Redem Arios V Redem Arios V Redem The modern characterisations are gross exagerations, though. People who get in fights are usually given a good talking to by the teachers, and maybe a write up on their record, but that's about it. Unless weapons are used, or there's been a rash of recent injuries or something. And I can't think of any instances of a parent being jailed for punishing their kid with a butt-whipping. As for the drugs thing, meh. That's what "zero tolerance" gets you. You have obviously never been to my high school. Back in 2006, two guys got in a fist fight and apparently they got so into it, that the police and believe the SWAT teams got involved. Neither of them were ever heard from again. I'm sure there's a few instances somewhere, just need to look. I had one such instance, but I've been so busy lately I've completely forgotten it That one is probably the only one that hasn't been too terribly exaggerated. 'bout ummm... 7 years ago I got in a fight in school, not even really a fight as such. I was just in a bad mood, and hit a guy over something minor... knocked him out cold, and fell, and hit his head on the hard marble floor. Hospital trip. Result? Nothing, not even a punishment, and nothing on record. Just a "talking to". Most fights in my school were the same, even those that went pretty far, and we're not talking some inner city stereotypical warzone of a school. It was a private school, I think that's what you would call them in the US. Or a Catholic grammar school as we call it. Sure, you can look up extreme events, you could probably do the same for 50 years ago. There are obviously differences between the two time periods, but I don't buy the way they are characterised there. Either of the two. Oh wait, you're not from the US are you? Most of this stuff on this list has to do with the US. Here in America, if a fight breaks out in school, usually the administrators and police are mobilized, even if only one or two punches are thrown. As I said, they are a bit on the overly dramatic side, but here in America, they are not too terribly far from the truth. I really find it hard to believe that the presented scenarios are... common. Even given the cultural differences between the US and UK. Ok, I will admit there not too common, but they are still too common to be considered healthy.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:23 pm
Even happening once is a bad thing. I think we can agree that people need to take the rods out of their asses, and relax a little. >_>
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:55 pm
That was pretty funny and somewhat true, though extremely exaggerated... when I was in high school, a friend of mine made a joke - the teachers knew it was a joke - about being a "terrorist." They were forced to report him and get him punished with In School Suspension, even though they knew it was a joke, because they would have been fired otherwise. It's ridiculous the lengths they take this to.... a war vet who used to sub at our high school was fired because one of the students provoked him until he offhandedly said something like, "behave or I'll kill you." It was in no way meant to be taken seriously and had it happened ten years before, nobody would have thought twice about it.
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 3:01 pm
None of the results listed here about school have ever happened in ours (with the possible exception of the A.D.D. one), and the scenarios happened quite often. Like Redem said, you could probably look up extreme events from 50 years ago and make it seem like the past was horrible. Here's a couple of examples:
Scenario: Johnny and Mark are going to go to the same school. Johnny is black, Mark is white.
1957 - Johnny has to be escorted to school by the military, Mark and his friends make death threats.
2007 - Johnny and Mark go to the same school without a second thought, and they're probably friends.
Scenario: Tim and Harry, two consenting adults, want to have a good time with each other.
1957 - Tim and Harry are discovered by police and arrested.
2007 - Tim and Harry get it on without getting arrested.
Scenario: Sally, an actress, is suspected of being a communist.
1957 - Sally is aggressively investigated by the HUAC, and probably put on a blacklist.
2007 - No one important really gives a damn.
Edit: Wow, necro, sorry. I didn't notice the date, I just saw it on the front page, haha.
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 6:08 am
Most of those are over-exaggertated claims. If you go to a school that is so mainstream that it can show up on FOX news and CNN most of the time, of course in the public eye stupid and overdone s**t will happen.
Never had a SWAT team here, just angry principals.
The only thing my school has been on is the local news for was when I was in Junior High and someone had allegedly made a hitlist. But then there was the stupid "bomb" threat...which really wasn't a threat. Stupid hick reporters.
I also think it has to do with those expensive public/private schools. Psychologically, those poor suburban kids have more mental issues than we people in these money-poor schools. Hell, we have a school therapist here, so...can you see the difference? And better counselors too.
I just have that theory that expensive schools are more in the public eye, so of course they'll be exaggerated and reported on national news more often because these schools are supposed to be these tip-top "advanced" smart crowd. Too many old farts put too much faith in troubled and angry youth.
I live in Missouri, if anyone is wondering why I have a problem with hicks. razz
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