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Rustig
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:19 pm


I don't doubt Sin's methods work for her, and maybe you too. What I doubt is the overall quality of the guild. Recently you've had an immensely powerful guy who has been grounded by his two personalities named after daoist concepts; another guy who claims to be a chaos magician that disregards just-about-every rule thrown at him and can turn people gay at whim yet can't GTFOver a bad relationship. Everyone always gets treated as if they're right. People whine about how bad they have it magickally (apparently no-one's a good magickian until they've been bound by their own spirit guides, are psychic vampires that are draining the Earth of all its power, and frequently fall into seizures thanks to social networking sites). People prattle on and on about concepts that are either poorly researched or made up without any sort of backbone ("there originally were 20 angels" - off the top of my head, I can name more than that).

And I've lost my train of though. I'm sure that paragraph does.. stuff. Yeah. 6am.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:23 pm


h3rsh
Quote:
You have been demoted to Member in ~MYSteric reaLMS~: psychic, paranormal, tarot, aura, spirituality, magick, occult, energy, psionics, otherkin.. etc. discusson by psychelapis.

psychelapis also provided this reason for this action:
since this guild means nothing to you, I should replace you with someone who does give a damn.


I got demoted over a discussion in ANOTHER GUILD.
How petty. :3

I think the problem is you do care, only not in the nice, soft, causes-more-problems-by-abiding way.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:24 pm


psychelapis
h3rsh
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You have been demoted to Member in ~MYSteric reaLMS~: psychic, paranormal, tarot, aura, spirituality, magick, occult, energy, psionics, otherkin.. etc. discusson by psychelapis.

psychelapis also provided this reason for this action:
since this guild means nothing to you, I should replace you with someone who does give a damn.


I got demoted over a discussion in ANOTHER GUILD.
How petty. :3


It is this simple. If you are a mod of a guild, you are representing the guild to the outside world(other guilds/the forums) if you are attacking the guild you are modding in, you arent really helping the guild then. You are making other people in other places think the guild sux, and that the problem is me becuase I am the captain and the one who makes the rules. I get insulted by some members of my own guild, I dont need mods attacking me as well. I tolerate it from members becuase they arent directly their representing or essentiatlly working with me to improve the guild. Crew is a different story, and I sure have let the reigns loose, perhaps too much, in the past by allowing persons like Kuru to mod. Things were different back then though, as we all know.

I dont see the point in having a mod that is actually furthering claims that my guild is dumb. Perhaps you should work to get a modship in this guild as you seem to like it much more than you ever liked mine.
I'm making people in other places think the guild "sux"?

Lapis, if you got your s**t as a captain together and had some standards about what you allowed in your guild, it wouldn't be the shithole it is now.

My modship was worth nothing in the first place, I wasn't allowed to do anything other than accept invites because if I did anything else I'd get yelled at.

You are a dictator.
And a horrible one, at that.
gg
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:37 pm


h3rsh

You are a dictator.
And a horrible one, at that.
gg



Amen.

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ivorymystic

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:40 pm


All the guilds are dictatorships . . that is just, how it is on gaia. If anything happens in the guild I am the one who is responsible, so I try to make sure my guild is in compliance with the TOS (which means no flaming people who seem to be bs) . . besides that, I dont know everything myself, so I question and see where things go with people, as perhaps they do know some things.

@ Mitsh. . . we all have misconceptions. The guy probably named his personalities Yin and Yang. It is clear though that their are segregations and separations which are known as the "higher" and lower" self even though they arent fully disconnected from us. These other parts can have diferent names too, as their is the true soul name, then the past life names (which your other self or higher self would techniqually have been that person in the past and so such a name I suppose would be usable)

About the other guy, I am not even sure if he knows that he doesnt know it all, but I am not going to just kick him out because he sounds weird. I trust that people will be smart, and see that what he is saying doesnt quite add up as what he preaches isnt exactly what he follows. That again, doesnt mean he doesnt have any value. People have to actually do work and try to understand each other.

about complaining, I do plenty of it. Becuase once you open that door and you can actually feel spirits and all that, you do get attacked a lot. I got attacked for a year straight when I first started to be able to feel spirits, and trust me, I was complaining too. . haha . . people complain in the hopes that someone else can help, or just to ease their pain and see other peopel say that they have gone through something simmilar. It can be theraputic.

research online only gets you so far. Some members do research through communing with their higher self, filtering information, reading books that exist in the astral, etc. It is hard to tell who is bsing and who isnt but if you follow the leads it could be to a larger reward sometimes, which is why I like to see where people go with things and question them instead of just caling them bs.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:52 pm


RE: All guilds are dictatorships.

No ma'am. All guilds are under leadership, which is, very often, guided by the members of the guild - On the ORS, I ask folk's opinions about stuff before I do it. Dictatorship is doing what you think is in your own best intentions indiscriminately; culling off the voices of dissent leads to s**t like this. But in your guild, yes, it's necessary, because you cultivate the ignorant masses; the ignorant masses who are too scared to voice their own opinions in case someone - god forbid! - criticises them for it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:59 pm


psychelapis
All the guilds are dictatorships . . that is just, how it is on gaia. If anything happens in the guild I am the one who is responsible, so I try to make sure my guild is in compliance with the TOS (which means no flaming people who seem to be bs) . . besides that, I dont know everything myself, so I question and see where things go with people, as perhaps they do know some things.

@ Mitsh. . . we all have misconceptions. The guy probably named his personalities Yin and Yang. It is clear though that their are segregations and separations which are known as the "higher" and lower" self even though they arent fully disconnected from us. These other parts can have diferent names too, as their is the true soul name, then the past life names (which your other self or higher self would techniqually have been that person in the past and so such a name I suppose would be usable)

About the other guy, I am not even sure if he knows that he doesnt know it all, but I am not going to just kick him out because he sounds weird. I trust that people will be smart, and see that what he is saying doesnt quite add up as what he preaches isnt exactly what he follows. That again, doesnt mean he doesnt have any value. People have to actually do work and try to understand each other.

about complaining, I do plenty of it. Becuase once you open that door and you can actually feel spirits and all that, you do get attacked a lot. I got attacked for a year straight when I first started to be able to feel spirits, and trust me, I was complaining too. . haha . . people complain in the hopes that someone else can help, or just to ease their pain and see other peopel say that they have gone through something simmilar. It can be theraputic.

research online only gets you so far. Some members do research through communing with their higher self, filtering information, reading books that exist in the astral, etc. It is hard to tell who is bsing and who isnt but if you follow the leads it could be to a larger reward sometimes, which is why I like to see where people go with things and question them instead of just caling them bs.

Actually, flaming is fine. Have you read the FAQ's in the Captain's guild? The TOS only really talks about Libel (fiendishly hard to prove, as it requires proof that the person knew it wasn't true at the time they said it... yeah, right) and in fact you can do whatever you want in a guild. Well, whatever you can do that keeps the respect of your members, that is. I guess that would be the only real limit, aside from porn or whatever.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:00 pm


Mitsh
because you cultivate the ignorant masses; the ignorant masses


Once again...I have too XD...lol

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We must destroy the ignorant masses!


(If you don't know who Lord Ilpalazzo is, go get Excel Saga -.-.... )


Aside from that, to stay on topic, I agree with Mitsh, even the crew speaks to the members of MPRILC before taking a major action like demoting a member of the crew or banning them. You, Lapis, don't, you do what you want when you want how you want with NO regard or respect for your members.

Speaking of respect, it's earned, not given, and until you and your guild EARN some respect, you wont receive any.

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ivorymystic

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:03 pm


They are all dictatorships in the sense that the person on top does have the final say. And then the person on top at the end of it all really is gaia, and their TOS.

As for my guild, I am not nearly as bad as you all make me out to be. I ban people that violate the TOS, becuase those are gaia's rules and flaming people, even if they "had it coming", is an offence the mods could shut a guild down over. So in the interest of the guild, I deal with people who voilate gaia's rules. If I was really as bad of a captaion I would ban anyone with differing ideas than me, or anyone who insults me. I let several people stay int he guild that outright insulted me. I remember a while back what was his name, bomani or something?. . gray revelations. . that was it. . he outright was insulting me for several pages, and I didnt ban him. I banned him when he did it again (over me saying I can talk to rocks, which I used in my example above and explained how it does make sense. . he didnt ask why I said that, but went straight into the insult. . his loss)

I give people second chances, I let the guild members decide on some things too. . I dont ban people on the basis of their different beleifs (and only ban if their is excessive rudeness or flaming for the most part) .. while as I see it all guilds are dictatorships in a sense, I dont think I run my guild all that horribly.

And yes, I do work on cultivating the "ignorant masses" so to speak, but then I have also learned a lot from these people who at first seem to not know anything. I dont run an elitist guild with a few members that all are on the same page, but work more with a varience of people, some of which are more on the newbie side.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:10 pm


[BlkCat]
Mitsh
because you cultivate the ignorant masses; the ignorant masses


Once again...I have too XD...lol

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.

We must destroy the ignorant masses!


(If you don't know who Lord Ilpalazzo is, go get Excel Saga -.-.... )


Aside from that, to stay on topic, I agree with Mitsh, even the crew speaks to the members of MPRILC before taking a major action like demoting a member of the crew or banning them. You, Lapis, don't, you do what you want when you want how you want with NO regard or respect for your members.

Speaking of respect, it's earned, not given, and until you and your guild EARN some respect, you wont receive any.


Destruction of the "ignorant masses" is basically impossible. It is one of the hardest tasks to face but really the "ignorant masses" rule the world and decide the future. We often see ourselves as being more high up or knowing than others, and perhaps this is true. But even if it is, just casting everyone else aside doesnt work. Becuase guess what, those other peopel that dont know or understanding are EVERYWHERE and if you dont work with them you just hurt yourself in the end. If you can help one person learn something or progress in some way then why is it not worth it to put up with a lot of s**t? . . that is one person who perhaps will go on to try to teach others and perhaps all the s**t can be cleared up. But you have to start somewhere.

The crew in my guild are mostly non involved in the guild. Hersh does next to nothing, as he said. He posts once every month or perhaps less. Sin is the ONLY active mod. If Hersh was a big personality or force in the guild I would have consulted how people felt about him being unmodded, but his lack of being such draws me to think people wont really care. Most of the guild members dont care about the crew, and are more their for help. Being such, they rarely expres discontent about how I handle things unless it is in regards to me not dealing with someone who is being overly rude or insutling. Then when the more regular or semi regular memebers have an issue with something in the guild I usually get ims or pms about it. .

ivorymystic


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:14 pm


psychelapis


Destruction of the "ignorant masses" is basically impossible. It is one of the hardest tasks to face but really the "ignorant masses" rule the world and decide the future. We often see ourselves as being more high up or knowing than others, and perhaps this is true. But even if it is, just casting everyone else aside doesnt work. Becuase guess what, those other peopel that dont know or understanding are EVERYWHERE and if you dont work with them you just hurt yourself in the end. If you can help one person learn something or progress in some way then why is it not worth it to put up with a lot of s**t? . . that is one person who perhaps will go on to try to teach others and perhaps all the s**t can be cleared up. But you have to start somewhere.



It was a quote for the pic -.- I said if you don't know who he is, go watch the show......Ignorance is not the main problem, the ignorant merely need to be taught, fluff bunnies are the problem, and they cannot be taught.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:15 pm


Joshua_Ritter
psychelapis
All the guilds are dictatorships . . that is just, how it is on gaia. If anything happens in the guild I am the one who is responsible, so I try to make sure my guild is in compliance with the TOS (which means no flaming people who seem to be bs) . . besides that, I dont know everything myself, so I question and see where things go with people, as perhaps they do know some things.

@ Mitsh. . . we all have misconceptions. The guy probably named his personalities Yin and Yang. It is clear though that their are segregations and separations which are known as the "higher" and lower" self even though they arent fully disconnected from us. These other parts can have diferent names too, as their is the true soul name, then the past life names (which your other self or higher self would techniqually have been that person in the past and so such a name I suppose would be usable)

About the other guy, I am not even sure if he knows that he doesnt know it all, but I am not going to just kick him out because he sounds weird. I trust that people will be smart, and see that what he is saying doesnt quite add up as what he preaches isnt exactly what he follows. That again, doesnt mean he doesnt have any value. People have to actually do work and try to understand each other.

about complaining, I do plenty of it. Becuase once you open that door and you can actually feel spirits and all that, you do get attacked a lot. I got attacked for a year straight when I first started to be able to feel spirits, and trust me, I was complaining too. . haha . . people complain in the hopes that someone else can help, or just to ease their pain and see other peopel say that they have gone through something simmilar. It can be theraputic.

research online only gets you so far. Some members do research through communing with their higher self, filtering information, reading books that exist in the astral, etc. It is hard to tell who is bsing and who isnt but if you follow the leads it could be to a larger reward sometimes, which is why I like to see where people go with things and question them instead of just caling them bs.

Actually, flaming is fine. Have you read the FAQ's in the Captain's guild? The TOS only really talks about Libel (fiendishly hard to prove, as it requires proof that the person knew it wasn't true at the time they said it... yeah, right) and in fact you can do whatever you want in a guild. Well, whatever you can do that keeps the respect of your members, that is. I guess that would be the only real limit, aside from porn or whatever.
If you could do whatever you want in a guild their wouldnt be that "report this guild" button . . Also what is in the rules and what is enforced on gaia isnt necessarily the same. I have seen plenty of people get banned from gaia for doing something that is a rather small infraction. . I personally would rather not even have to deal with the gaia mods at all, since I have seen a few guilds that got shut down.

ivorymystic


ivorymystic

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:19 pm


[BlkCat]
psychelapis


Destruction of the "ignorant masses" is basically impossible. It is one of the hardest tasks to face but really the "ignorant masses" rule the world and decide the future. We often see ourselves as being more high up or knowing than others, and perhaps this is true. But even if it is, just casting everyone else aside doesnt work. Becuase guess what, those other peopel that dont know or understanding are EVERYWHERE and if you dont work with them you just hurt yourself in the end. If you can help one person learn something or progress in some way then why is it not worth it to put up with a lot of s**t? . . that is one person who perhaps will go on to try to teach others and perhaps all the s**t can be cleared up. But you have to start somewhere.



It was a quote for the pic -.- I said if you don't know who he is, go watch the show......Ignorance is not the main problem, the ignorant merely need to be taught, fluff bunnies are the problem, and they cannot be taught.
Anyone can grow and change. It just takes a lot more patience than most are willing to put into it to help someone that is convinced of their power/knowledge without any basis for it.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:20 pm


psychelapis
Joshua_Ritter
psychelapis
All the guilds are dictatorships . . that is just, how it is on gaia. If anything happens in the guild I am the one who is responsible, so I try to make sure my guild is in compliance with the TOS (which means no flaming people who seem to be bs) . . besides that, I dont know everything myself, so I question and see where things go with people, as perhaps they do know some things.

@ Mitsh. . . we all have misconceptions. The guy probably named his personalities Yin and Yang. It is clear though that their are segregations and separations which are known as the "higher" and lower" self even though they arent fully disconnected from us. These other parts can have diferent names too, as their is the true soul name, then the past life names (which your other self or higher self would techniqually have been that person in the past and so such a name I suppose would be usable)

About the other guy, I am not even sure if he knows that he doesnt know it all, but I am not going to just kick him out because he sounds weird. I trust that people will be smart, and see that what he is saying doesnt quite add up as what he preaches isnt exactly what he follows. That again, doesnt mean he doesnt have any value. People have to actually do work and try to understand each other.

about complaining, I do plenty of it. Becuase once you open that door and you can actually feel spirits and all that, you do get attacked a lot. I got attacked for a year straight when I first started to be able to feel spirits, and trust me, I was complaining too. . haha . . people complain in the hopes that someone else can help, or just to ease their pain and see other peopel say that they have gone through something simmilar. It can be theraputic.

research online only gets you so far. Some members do research through communing with their higher self, filtering information, reading books that exist in the astral, etc. It is hard to tell who is bsing and who isnt but if you follow the leads it could be to a larger reward sometimes, which is why I like to see where people go with things and question them instead of just caling them bs.

Actually, flaming is fine. Have you read the FAQ's in the Captain's guild? The TOS only really talks about Libel (fiendishly hard to prove, as it requires proof that the person knew it wasn't true at the time they said it... yeah, right) and in fact you can do whatever you want in a guild. Well, whatever you can do that keeps the respect of your members, that is. I guess that would be the only real limit, aside from porn or whatever.
If you could do whatever you want in a guild their wouldnt be that "report this guild" button . . Also what is in the rules and what is enforced on gaia isnt necessarily the same. I have seen plenty of people get banned from gaia for doing something that is a rather small infraction. . I personally would rather not even have to deal with the gaia mods at all, since I have seen a few guilds that got shut down.

Of course. But people get banned from other places a hell of a lot more than guilds. Aren't you claiming dictatorship? If people got banned (Which doesn't happen in the GGN, btw) for being stupid trolls, then there would be no GD. Fact.

Joshua_Ritter
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h3rsh

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:21 pm


psychelapis
Joshua_Ritter
psychelapis
All the guilds are dictatorships . . that is just, how it is on gaia. If anything happens in the guild I am the one who is responsible, so I try to make sure my guild is in compliance with the TOS (which means no flaming people who seem to be bs) . . besides that, I dont know everything myself, so I question and see where things go with people, as perhaps they do know some things.

@ Mitsh. . . we all have misconceptions. The guy probably named his personalities Yin and Yang. It is clear though that their are segregations and separations which are known as the "higher" and lower" self even though they arent fully disconnected from us. These other parts can have diferent names too, as their is the true soul name, then the past life names (which your other self or higher self would techniqually have been that person in the past and so such a name I suppose would be usable)

About the other guy, I am not even sure if he knows that he doesnt know it all, but I am not going to just kick him out because he sounds weird. I trust that people will be smart, and see that what he is saying doesnt quite add up as what he preaches isnt exactly what he follows. That again, doesnt mean he doesnt have any value. People have to actually do work and try to understand each other.

about complaining, I do plenty of it. Becuase once you open that door and you can actually feel spirits and all that, you do get attacked a lot. I got attacked for a year straight when I first started to be able to feel spirits, and trust me, I was complaining too. . haha . . people complain in the hopes that someone else can help, or just to ease their pain and see other peopel say that they have gone through something simmilar. It can be theraputic.

research online only gets you so far. Some members do research through communing with their higher self, filtering information, reading books that exist in the astral, etc. It is hard to tell who is bsing and who isnt but if you follow the leads it could be to a larger reward sometimes, which is why I like to see where people go with things and question them instead of just caling them bs.

Actually, flaming is fine. Have you read the FAQ's in the Captain's guild? The TOS only really talks about Libel (fiendishly hard to prove, as it requires proof that the person knew it wasn't true at the time they said it... yeah, right) and in fact you can do whatever you want in a guild. Well, whatever you can do that keeps the respect of your members, that is. I guess that would be the only real limit, aside from porn or whatever.
If you could do whatever you want in a guild their wouldnt be that "report this guild" button . . Also what is in the rules and what is enforced on gaia isnt necessarily the same. I have seen plenty of people get banned from gaia for doing something that is a rather small infraction. . I personally would rather not even have to deal with the gaia mods at all, since I have seen a few guilds that got shut down.
Porn.
Illegal activities.
Child abuse and exploitation.

Etc.
Things that are illegal.
NOT FLAMING.
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