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 Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:37 pm
Friar Thomas VK Fox Friar Thomas VK Fox iRetaliate Sorry if this is in the wrong section, but I just needed to ask... Seeing as how Catholicism is centered around the ideals of "Father, Son, and Spirit", and Christianity is centered around that Jesus Christ is the son of god. Wouldn't that mean that all catholics are blaspheming sinners? I would say yes, but for different reasons other that "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." Christ as both fully human and fully divine is the cornerstone of Christianity. Even the weakest secular definition of Christianity has to acknowledge the divinity of Christ. Otherwise, we have no Christianity. I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with you. Catholics are Christians we cannot separate them. We have no right to judge catholics simply because they are catholic If they practice, and teach things contrary to Biblical teachings, then I cannot accept them as brethren. We do have a right, indeed a God given obligation, to look at what others teach and compare them to the scriptures. If it is found to contradict said scriptures, we are to reject it completely. We can, and should, reject anyone who teaches anything that is not aligned with the word of God. The problem is that you're rejecting everyone in that sector of OUR religion. Peter, Paul and all of the Disciples were Catholic. I know plenty of Catholics who are God fearing individuals. Matthew 7:1 clearly says "Do not Judge." I'm sorry but Catholics ARE Christians and we have no right to reject them. peter and pual were not cathloic they were jewish i think you need to check your sources agian
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:32 pm
mormons and muslims don't follow the teachings of the bible, and muslims don't even believe that Jesus is the son of God, just a nice man and a good teacher. they don't count. but as far as catholics, i think it depends on the person. catholics claim to believe that Jesus died for their sins and accept his grace. some of their practices don't seem to follow through with that, but it depends on each individual's relationship with God.
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:20 pm
MrBryanKaDoodles Friar Thomas VK Fox Friar Thomas VK Fox iRetaliate Sorry if this is in the wrong section, but I just needed to ask... Seeing as how Catholicism is centered around the ideals of "Father, Son, and Spirit", and Christianity is centered around that Jesus Christ is the son of god. Wouldn't that mean that all catholics are blaspheming sinners? I would say yes, but for different reasons other that "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." Christ as both fully human and fully divine is the cornerstone of Christianity. Even the weakest secular definition of Christianity has to acknowledge the divinity of Christ. Otherwise, we have no Christianity. I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with you. Catholics are Christians we cannot separate them. We have no right to judge catholics simply because they are catholic If they practice, and teach things contrary to Biblical teachings, then I cannot accept them as brethren. We do have a right, indeed a God given obligation, to look at what others teach and compare them to the scriptures. If it is found to contradict said scriptures, we are to reject it completely. We can, and should, reject anyone who teaches anything that is not aligned with the word of God. The problem is that you're rejecting everyone in that sector of OUR religion. Peter, Paul and all of the Disciples were Catholic. I know plenty of Catholics who are God fearing individuals. Matthew 7:1 clearly says "Do not Judge." I'm sorry but Catholics ARE Christians and we have no right to reject them. peter and pual were not cathloic they were jewish i think you need to check your sources agian Initially yes, but then they converted to "the way" which became catholicism @Imitation. There is a huge difference between catholics and Mormons. Mormons are considered a Cult by the entire Christian church. The Catholic church is a Christian church... its just like Lutheran or even Methodist.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:05 pm
I'm catholic and I don't understand why our religion is made fun of I see nothing wrong with it. We all worship the same God and believe in jesus christ and we are told that we are all christians there is no difference... but then again I am begining confused with all this.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:03 pm
starry night-163 I'm catholic and I don't understand why our religion is made fun of I see nothing wrong with it. We all worship the same God and believe in jesus christ and we are told that we are all christians there is no difference... but then again I am begining confused with all this. There is a difference, but they are still Christians. Catholics and Protestants both have their issues
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:26 pm
Friar Thomas starry night-163 I'm catholic and I don't understand why our religion is made fun of I see nothing wrong with it. We all worship the same God and believe in jesus christ and we are told that we are all christians there is no difference... but then again I am begining confused with all this. There is a difference, but they are still Christians. Catholics and Protestants both have their issues Actually I did some research yesterday and relized alot of things I didn't know about my religion and some things seem wrong to me now. I'm beginning to doubt catholicism.
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:38 pm
If Catholics are the same as christians... then why do they worship.. that pope???
From what i know in the bible... the only person.. that shoulda been worshiped like dat.. is Jesus...
But yet.. Today.. Most of the Catholics.. believe in that Pope guy.. They even worship him and everything and dat aint right in my eyes!
No offence to any catholics.. in here..
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:14 pm
-+ch!kita+- If Catholics are the same as christians... then why do they worship.. that pope???
From what i know in the bible... the only person.. that shoulda been worshiped like dat.. is Jesus...
But yet.. Today.. Most of the Catholics.. believe in that Pope guy.. They even worship him and everything and dat aint right in my eyes!
No offence to any catholics.. in here.. This is an issue right here...an issue that shows that you've heard some wrong teachings and simply believe that its true without looking into the truth The Catholic church does not worship the Pope. He is simply the leader of the Catholic church. @ starry night... there are some major issues with the catholic church but there are issues with every Christian church not just the catholics... I will concede that the catholic church seems to have more than the other churches but they are still Christians
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:40 pm
Friar Thomas -+ch!kita+- If Catholics are the same as christians... then why do they worship.. that pope???
From what i know in the bible... the only person.. that shoulda been worshiped like dat.. is Jesus...
But yet.. Today.. Most of the Catholics.. believe in that Pope guy.. They even worship him and everything and dat aint right in my eyes!
No offence to any catholics.. in here.. This is an issue right here...an issue that shows that you've heard some wrong teachings and simply believe that its true without looking into the truth The Catholic church does not worship the Pope. He is simply the leader of the Catholic church. @ starry night... there are some major issues with the catholic church but there are issues with every Christian church not just the catholics... I will concede that the catholic church seems to have more than the other churches but they are still Christians
But honestly.. when the pope goes on tv.. or anything people are like madly worshiping him cryinggg each time they see him..
If hes a so called leader... he shouldnt be treated special then any other human.. They treat him like.. if he was a king.. and dat aint right.. You shouldnt idolize..So If hes a leader.. Should i also treat my pastorr like my number 1 fan? because hes speakin the word of God to me? Should i cry each time because when he touches me he heals my sicknesses away? NO!
Pastors arent any special.. They are Normal people like everyone else.. but you dont see them getting high praise from people.. like the "Pope" does..
Yeah catholicism.. might have different beliefs.. n wha not.. but clearly.. in the bible.. when one man (i forgot his name and the verse) came to Peter after he healed him..He went on his kneez and thank and wanting to praise him because he thought he was something great. but clearly.. Peter tells da man to get off his knees because he aint different from anyone else.. he clearly says dat hes a human himself and that he was only doing the Lords will and he should be praising The Lord from this moment on.Ex 20:3-4 (NIV) "You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below." IDOLATRY :When Anything or Anybody Gets What God Alone Deserves
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:29 pm
-+ch!kita+- Friar Thomas -+ch!kita+- If Catholics are the same as christians... then why do they worship.. that pope???
From what i know in the bible... the only person.. that shoulda been worshiped like dat.. is Jesus...
But yet.. Today.. Most of the Catholics.. believe in that Pope guy.. They even worship him and everything and dat aint right in my eyes!
No offence to any catholics.. in here.. This is an issue right here...an issue that shows that you've heard some wrong teachings and simply believe that its true without looking into the truth The Catholic church does not worship the Pope. He is simply the leader of the Catholic church. @ starry night... there are some major issues with the catholic church but there are issues with every Christian church not just the catholics... I will concede that the catholic church seems to have more than the other churches but they are still Christians
But honestly.. when the pope goes on tv.. or anything people are like madly worshiping him cryinggg each time they see him..
If hes a so called leader... he shouldnt be treated special then any other human.. They treat him like.. if he was a king.. and dat aint right.. You shouldnt idolize..So If hes a leader.. Should i also treat my pastorr like my number 1 fan? because hes speakin the word of God to me? Should i cry each time because when he touches me he heals my sicknesses away? NO!
Pastors arent any special.. They are Normal people like everyone else.. but you dont see them getting high praise from people.. like the "Pope" does..
Yeah catholicism.. might have different beliefs.. n wha not.. but clearly.. in the bible.. when one man (i forgot his name and the verse) came to Peter after he healed him..He went on his kneez and thank and wanting to praise him because he thought he was something great. but clearly.. Peter tells da man to get off his knees because he aint different from anyone else.. he clearly says dat hes a human himself and that he was only doing the Lords will and he should be praising The Lord from this moment on.Ex 20:3-4 (NIV) "You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below." IDOLATRY :When Anything or Anybody Gets What God Alone DeservesI'm not catholic and you're views are very biased and it shows a lack of understanding for the catholic church. I will concede that the Catholic church shows too much reverence for the pope but they do not worship him. He is an elected official... very much like the president is an elected official. I believe whole heartedly that it is appropriate to give praise without worshiping. The pope is not worshiped he is simply adored by the catholic church and there is nothing wrong with that. If he were being worshiped then yes you would be right there would be a problem... and what you see as worship they see as adoration not worship. Again the Catholic churches beliefs are Christian beliefs. They in no way see the pope as a God they simply see him as the leader of the Catholic church. They do however believe that God ordains him and there is nothing wrong with that belief, if you look into the Bible a little bit more you will see that all leaders have been ordained by God Edit: I would also like to know how you correlate crying with worship... if you see a friend after long period of time do you not cry when you see them? Or possibly a family member? Do you cry when you're hurt or when you're sad? In that sense are you worshiping your family member or your friend because you are crying simply because you see them? Are you worshiping pain or sadness when you cry because you are hurt or sad. For the record I know a good number of people who cry when they hear messages because it touches them... in the same way the pope touches people because as I said he is an elected official within the Catholic church and when he speaks a large portion of catholics believe that God speaks through him (as God should through a Christian leader). There is nothing wrong with crying simply because he is the pope and the leader of the Catholic church Edit 2: Also as a side note I would suggest that you use proper English. I'm a huge fan of Ebonics when it's spoken correctly and in the proper contexts... but in context of a debate or in context of speaking about religion it is neither proper or attractive and hinders what you are saying. You have said some good things but because of your writing I am having a very hard time taking you seriously Edit 3: Further more you have defined Idolatry wrong. Idolatry is not giving something to someone else that is rightfully God's. What you are describing is one of the many possible definitions of blasphemy. Idolatry is putting something before God. Such as a computer, if you spend more time focusing on the computer than you do worshiping God then you are idolizing your computer. If you PRAY to an idol or a statue you are idolizing it. It is not idolizing to have adoration for the pope
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:34 am
Friar Thomas -+ch!kita+- Friar Thomas -+ch!kita+- If Catholics are the same as christians... then why do they worship.. that pope???
From what i know in the bible... the only person.. that shoulda been worshiped like dat.. is Jesus...
But yet.. Today.. Most of the Catholics.. believe in that Pope guy.. They even worship him and everything and dat aint right in my eyes!
No offence to any catholics.. in here.. This is an issue right here...an issue that shows that you've heard some wrong teachings and simply believe that its true without looking into the truth The Catholic church does not worship the Pope. He is simply the leader of the Catholic church. @ starry night... there are some major issues with the catholic church but there are issues with every Christian church not just the catholics... I will concede that the catholic church seems to have more than the other churches but they are still Christians
But honestly.. when the pope goes on tv.. or anything people are like madly worshiping him cryinggg each time they see him..
If hes a so called leader... he shouldnt be treated special then any other human.. They treat him like.. if he was a king.. and dat aint right.. You shouldnt idolize..So If hes a leader.. Should i also treat my pastorr like my number 1 fan? because hes speakin the word of God to me? Should i cry each time because when he touches me he heals my sicknesses away? NO!
Pastors arent any special.. They are Normal people like everyone else.. but you dont see them getting high praise from people.. like the "Pope" does..
Yeah catholicism.. might have different beliefs.. n wha not.. but clearly.. in the bible.. when one man (i forgot his name and the verse) came to Peter after he healed him..He went on his kneez and thank and wanting to praise him because he thought he was something great. but clearly.. Peter tells da man to get off his knees because he aint different from anyone else.. he clearly says dat hes a human himself and that he was only doing the Lords will and he should be praising The Lord from this moment on.Ex 20:3-4 (NIV) "You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below." IDOLATRY :When Anything or Anybody Gets What God Alone DeservesI'm not catholic and you're views are very biased and it shows a lack of understanding for the catholic church. I will concede that the Catholic church shows too much reverence for the pope but they do not worship him. He is an elected official... very much like the president is an elected official. I believe whole heartedly that it is appropriate to give praise without worshiping. The pope is not worshiped he is simply adored by the catholic church and there is nothing wrong with that. If he were being worshiped then yes you would be right there would be a problem... and what you see as worship they see as adoration not worship. Again the Catholic churches beliefs are Christian beliefs. They in no way see the pope as a God they simply see him as the leader of the Catholic church. They do however believe that God ordains him and there is nothing wrong with that belief, if you look into the Bible a little bit more you will see that all leaders have been ordained by God Edit: I would also like to know how you correlate crying with worship... if you see a friend after long period of time do you not cry when you see them? Or possibly a family member? Do you cry when you're hurt or when you're sad? In that sense are you worshiping your family member or your friend because you are crying simply because you see them? Are you worshiping pain or sadness when you cry because you are hurt or sad. For the record I know a good number of people who cry when they hear messages because it touches them... in the same way the pope touches people because as I said he is an elected official within the Catholic church and when he speaks a large portion of catholics believe that God speaks through him (as God should through a Christian leader). There is nothing wrong with crying simply because he is the pope and the leader of the Catholic church Edit 2: Also as a side note I would suggest that you use proper English. I'm a huge fan of Ebonics when it's spoken correctly and in the proper contexts... but in context of a debate or in context of speaking about religion it is neither proper or attractive and hinders what you are saying. You have said some good things but because of your writing I am having a very hard time taking you seriously Edit 3: Further more you have defined Idolatry wrong. Idolatry is not giving something to someone else that is rightfully God's. What you are describing is one of the many possible definitions of blasphemy. Idolatry is putting something before God. Such as a computer, if you spend more time focusing on the computer than you do worshiping God then you are idolizing your computer. If you PRAY to an idol or a statue you are idolizing it. It is not idolizing to have adoration for the pope
so for one..
Why does it matter how i type S: I dont see where it sayz i have to be literate or anything on here i can type da way how i wanna.
im not trying to be attractive.. or what ever you may call it. i just like simply typing the way how i type. and obiously u clearly understand what im talking about. Because if u didnt.. you wouldnt even be replying back to me.
Second of all.. you may think its serious or not because of da way how i talk. but datz you.
Im typically explaining My Point of view on how i see catholism.. and i am not a Catholic either. But i clearly see alot of things dat arent right.
Adoring is another way of saying worship.
About the crying part.
yeah that has happend to me before.. but theres a difference..
the way how i see it when people cry for dat pope guy is like if he was someone great.. or when people see a music artist they start screaming for him and everything... Like seriously!
I dont see Pastors in a church get that reaction. LIke i was saying.. They see Pastors NORMAL. and God uses them to talk to us awell.. but dat doesnt mean we ADORE the pastor because the Lord is using him to speak to us..
And How am i being Biased?
Because im stating my point of view on how i see the Catholic Religion Prospective..
I still do believe that the catholic people see him as an IDOL
[ a statue made by people and worshiped as if it had the power of a god; anything that takes the place of God in a persons Life.
The way how i see it iz dat people clearly forget that it was JESUS who died for our sins and that he is the ONLY God out there. and instead of getting the message on what ever the pope speaks.. they Praise him because he talks about the Lord and rather then thanking the Lord Himself.
Praise: To glorify; to say good things about someone or something 2. approval: worship.
there you go as to why i said
they "worship him"
Hopefully The Lord will open the eyes of all of them before its too late..
Because the catholic religion is more corrupted then any other religion out there.
Let me ask you something.
What if the pope didnt exist?
what would the catholics do?? who would they turn too??
because i garantee you dat that whole religion wouldnt know what to do if that "pope" wasnt there.. they would all be trippen.. n wouldnt know what to believe because there one soo called leader.. isnt there anymore.
The only real thing you should be ADORING and giving all your gloryifing is Jesus Christ of Nazzareth. The LORD. the only God. who actually Gave his only son for us.. im pretty sure dat if that pope was like " go out and run outside 10 times and come back and youl recieve blessings." EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WOULD GO OUTSIDE AND DO WHAT HE TOLD DEM TO DO because hes a "leader"...
dat aint right. like i said.. TO ME. the pepe is nothing. and he shouldnt be adored the way how he is. because hes just a regular human being.. but no.. you say dat hes "an elected official" whats soo special about that?
why cant he just be a normal person like Peter who didnt seek for adoration. he simply was Obeying the Lords will. He didnt want nothing in return. you didnt see him with special robes... and having security guards protecting him 247 you didnt see him being specially treated and he was one of the 12 deciples. Instead people would beat him and make fun of him.. and dissed him.. and almost killing him because he was speaking the real truth of the word of God.
so please explain that to me..
Because the way how i see it
" No one is Righteous"
" There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit. the poison of vipers is on their lips. Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness. their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know. There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Romans:3:11-18
You should depend on the Holy Spirit That the Lord has given us. not exchangeing the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man. That is why i dont understand why people treat the pope so special.. he has nothing special.. and he isnt God. and for those who have the Lord in their hearts shouldnt depend on people like him. Dats y in the bible it says before Jesus was taken to heaven he clearly says;
"When the counselor comes, whom i will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.
But i tell you the truth; it is for good that i am going away. Unless i go away, the counselor will not come to you; but if i go, i will send him to you. When he come, he will convict the world of guilt in regardto sin, because and righteousness and judgement: in regard to sin, because men do not believen in me; in regard to righteousness, because i am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgement, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.
But when he the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth."
Here we are today.. Do catholics believe in the Holy Spirit?
y do they believe in crosses that are made out of sylver or gold.. why do others give thanks to Mary?? When they should really just thank The Lord Jesus Christ of Nazzareth Because ive seen miracles that hes done! ive seen things dat ive never wouldnt even believe to see. And tha Lord has spoken to me Thru others. But i dont Go to a Pope or a Priest to get this stuff to happen to me. its called faith.
I just dont understand Catholicsism..
its just too different.. n i find it.. suspicious.. how they even protect those soo called priests who are petafiles.. and got caught.. explain that to me?? That is why alot of people today.. dont really trust the catholic religion.. people are seeying stuff that arent right.. and from there then people just dont know what to believe in.
I just Pray for them... That the Lord will have mercy and hopefully let their blind eyes see.. the real reality.
From the begining i clearly i was giving my own oppinion on how i see catholicsism.. to you it might be biased.. or what ever you may call it.. which i really dont understand why your defending it because u clearly stated dat u aint catholic yourself.. so i dont understand why ur backin dem up for.
But i Believe in my Lord Jesus Christ.. and thrugh him he is the way the truth and the life. So what ever you say to me.. its just your point and it will still not change the way on how i see him.
Thank u.
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:36 pm
Quote: Mmkay. so for one.. Why does it matter how i type S: I dont see where it sayz i have to be literate or anything on here i can type da way how i wanna. im not trying to be attractive.. or what ever you may call it. i just like simply typing the way how i type. and obiously u clearly understand what im talking about. Because if u didnt.. you wouldnt even be replying back to me. It matters because it deteriorates what you are saying. If I wasn't a Christian I wouldn't take anything you were saying at all seriously because you're both using improper grammar and improper sentence structure. No there isn't anything in this guild specifically that says you have to type properly but the entirety of Gaia has always been very strict on literacy. I also assume that you are going to go to college some day if you're not there already... my point is if you make bad habits now bad habits will stay. I said it as a word of advise to help you not to hurt you. Quote: And How am i being Biased? Because im stating my point of view on how i see the Catholic Religion Prospective.. I still do believe that the catholic people see him as an IDOL That is how you are being biased. You have clearly said that you don't understand the Catholic SIDE to the CHRISTIAN religion yet you still make statements like that. I understand that you are basing it on what you have seen, but for a minute try putting your self in the shoes of a catholic. Quote: a statue made by people and worshiped as if it had the power of a god; anything that takes the place of God in a persons Life. The way how i see it iz dat people clearly forget that it was JESUS who died for our sins and that he is the ONLY God out there. and instead of getting the message on what ever the pope speaks.. they Praise him because he talks about the Lord and rather then thanking the Lord Himself. Again you're wrong about this. They haven't forgotten about Jesus, they haven't forgotten that he is the ONE AND ONLY God. Don't pastors also talk about the Lord? Just one example is Mel Brooks... He made the Passion of the Christ movie..maybe you've heard of it? Guess what... HE'S CATHOLIC! Quote: raise: To glorify; to say good things about someone or something 2. approval: worship. It's nice that you identify the second definition as what I was talking about instead of the first when clearly I was talking about the first definition. "To say good things about someone or something" Quote: ecause the catholic religion is more corrupted then any other religion out there. Really? Where are you getting your facts from? Cause by what you're saying the Catholic Church is more corrupt than Muslims who martyr themselves and kill themselves for a God who may or may not admit them into heaven; Satanists who worship SATAN! Wicca The basic religion of Witchcraft and worshiping Nature. If those religions aren't close enough to Christianity for you lets switch gears a little bit THE KKK Under the name of Jesus Christ the KKK rejects Jews, Blacks and several other nationality's. How about Mormans Who believe that they themselves will become a God of their own planet... Do you understand what I'm getting at? Quote: Let me ask you something. What if the pope didnt exist? what would the catholics do?? who would they turn too?? GOD BECAUSE THEY'RE CHRISTIANS! Quote: The only real thing you should be ADORING and giving all your gloryifing is Jesus Christ of Nazzareth. The LORD. the only God. who actually Gave his only son for us.. im pretty sure dat if that pope was like " go out and run outside 10 times and come back and youl recieve blessings." EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WOULD GO OUTSIDE AND DO WHAT HE TOLD DEM TO DO because hes a "leader"... Yes some people would BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE are idiots. However where does it say only to give any kind of adoration to God? Don't we adore our babies? our spouses? our parents? our siblings? You are misinterpreting the word Adore. Adore simply means to love and if you are trying to say that we are only to Love God then please pick up a Bible and read the New Testament and then get back to me Quote: TO ME. the pepe is nothing. and he shouldnt be adored the way how he is. because hes just a regular human being.. but no.. you say dat hes "an elected official" whats soo special about that? Um I don't know... lets give you other examples of Elected Officials... President Barack Obama... people cry when he gets up to speak... are they worshiping him? Quote: why cant he just be a normal person like Peter who didnt seek for adoration. he simply was Obeying the Lords will. He didnt want nothing in return. you didnt see him with special robes... and having security guards protecting him 247 Peter also didn't have a following of over 3 million people, nor did he have to worry about things such as high powered rifles... Cause you know back then they had spears and stuff but a hand gun or a rifle can do a lot more damage, and people RESPECT the pope Quote: nd almost killing him because he was speaking the real truth of the word of God. so please explain that to me.. Because the way how i see it So does the Pope... but if we tried to kill the pope I'm pretty sure the Italian government as well as the Catholic church would be pretty pissed since he is a spiritual leader..also i'm pretty sure we would be tried for murder. We live in a different age now... you can't relate how things were done then to how they are done now IN EVERY SITUATION. Quote: No one is Righteous" " There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit. the poison of vipers is on their lips. Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness. their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know. There is no fear of God before their eyes. Romans:3:11-18 This verse has no legitimacy in this discussion. It has nothing to do with what you were saying so I'm going to ignore it Quote: hat is why i dont understand why people treat the pope so special.. he has nothing special.. and he isnt God. and for those who have the Lord in their hearts shouldnt depend on people like him Because he's an elected official... Quote: When the counselor comes, whom i will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me. But i tell you the truth; it is for good that i am going away. Unless i go away, the counselor will not come to you; but if i go, i will send him to you. When he come, he will convict the world of guilt in regardto sin, because and righteousness and judgement: in regard to sin, because men do not believen in me; in regard to righteousness, because i am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgement, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. But when he the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth Reference and possibly how this fits please? Quote: Do catholics believe in the Holy Spirit? YES Quote: y do they believe in crosses that are made out of sylver or gold Every Christian church has a cross in their sanctuary... it has nothing to do with Believing in the cross being silver or Gold... unless you believe that Jesus didn't die on a cross then I can just shut you down right now Quote: why do others give thanks to Mary?? They don't... This is one of their beliefs that NOT ALL catholics share. They believe that they can talk to Mary to talk to God for them... like a three way conversation on a phone.. Quote: When they should really just thank The Lord Jesus Christ of Nazzareth Because ive seen miracles that hes done! THEY DO. Have you never seen the crusafix's they wear around their necks? It's not Ghandi that's on the cross.. Quote: But i dont Go to a Pope or a Priest to get this stuff to happen to me. its called faith. Neither do catholics.. and some catholics have stronger faith than I have seen out of protestants Quote: I just dont understand Catholicsism.. its just too different.. n i find it.. suspicious.. Then you shouldn't be debating about it or making statements in regard to their faith...plain and simple Quote: how they even protect those soo called priests who are petafiles.. and got caught.. explain that to me?? They haven't been trying to protect the one's who have been caught. Only the one's who have been accused because people are liars and can accuse people of things that they didn't do... also if you're asking about how the priests can do that... I don't know... they're human God still loves them Quote: That is why alot of people today.. dont really trust the catholic religion.. people are seeying stuff that arent right.. and from there then people just dont know what to believe in. ... The catholic SIDE to the CHRISTIAN religion is the largest denomination in the world... Quote: oppinion on how i see catholicsism.. to you it might be biased.. or what ever you may call it.. Bias... is opinion without backed up fact Quote: which i really dont understand why your defending it because u clearly stated dat u aint catholic yourself.. so i dont understand why ur backin dem up for. Because Jesus said to love our neighbor... and when someone persecutes my neighbor I will defend them Quote: But i Believe in my Lord Jesus Christ.. and thrugh him he is the way the truth and the life. So what ever you say to me.. its just your point and it will still not change the way on how i see him. I'm not trying to change your views about Christ... nor am I trying to convert you to Catholicism because I'm not catholic either... I'm trying to make you realize that Catholics are Christians with different beliefs than you're own but that doesn't make them evil or not Christian Matthew 7:1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matthew 5:43-48 You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[h] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.Mark 12:28-31 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" 29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'[f] 31 The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[g]There is no commandment greater than these."
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:42 pm
Friar Thomas I'm not trying to change your views about Christ... nor am I trying to convert you to Catholicism because I'm not catholic either... I'm trying to make you realize that Catholics are Christians with different beliefs than you're own but that doesn't make them evil or not Christian Matthew 7:1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matthew 5:43-48 You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[h] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.Mark 12:28-31 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" 29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'[f] 31 The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[g]There is no commandment greater than these."
If your not Catholic.. Then what are you? And I do believe that Jesus died in the cross.because it says it in the bible. Yeah i know about the "love thy neigbour" and Dont judge.. But sometimes i just see stuff..That isnt right.
And Il admit that i Kind of messed up in certain parts of this Debate or arguiment. But This all goes back to what vk fox wroteVK Fox what If they practice, and teach things contrary to Biblical teachings, then I cannot accept them as brethren. We do have a right, indeed a God given obligation, to look at what others teach and compare them to the scriptures. If it is found to contradict said scriptures, we are to reject it completely. We can, and should, reject anyone who teaches anything that is not aligned with the word of God.
Im sorry.
I just Get upset the fact about stuff sometimes. And it's not just catholics.. it's other religions aswell..People with their athiestism..and Dissing my Lord..It just gets frustating sometimes. I wasnt expecting this whole thing about the pope to get thiss far.. sweatdrop But I guess your right. In a lot of points. Your probably even older then me. xp
Youve Probably read the bible more then 5 times.. Because you know alot. I just didn't mean to go Over board with my oppinion.. stare sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:20 pm
-+ch!kita+- Friar Thomas I'm not trying to change your views about Christ... nor am I trying to convert you to Catholicism because I'm not catholic either... I'm trying to make you realize that Catholics are Christians with different beliefs than you're own but that doesn't make them evil or not Christian Matthew 7:1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matthew 5:43-48 You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[h] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.Mark 12:28-31 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" 29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'[f] 31 The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[g]There is no commandment greater than these."
If your not Catholic.. Then what are you? And I do believe that Jesus died in the cross.because it says it in the bible. Yeah i know about the "love thy neigbour" and Dont judge.. But sometimes i just see stuff..That isnt right.
And Il admit that i Kind of messed up in certain parts of this Debate or arguiment. But This all goes back to what vk fox wroteVK Fox what If they practice, and teach things contrary to Biblical teachings, then I cannot accept them as brethren. We do have a right, indeed a God given obligation, to look at what others teach and compare them to the scriptures. If it is found to contradict said scriptures, we are to reject it completely. We can, and should, reject anyone who teaches anything that is not aligned with the word of God.
Im sorry.
I just Get upset the fact about stuff sometimes. And it's not just catholics.. it's other religions aswell..People with their athiestism..and Dissing my Lord..It just gets frustating sometimes. I wasnt expecting this whole thing about the pope to get thiss far.. sweatdrop But I guess your right. In a lot of points. Your probably even older then me. xp
Youve Probably read the bible more then 5 times.. Because you know alot. I just didn't mean to go Over board with my oppinion.. stare sweatdrop If their beliefs are contrary to the Bible then yes they are wrong, but a lot of Catholics do follow a strong Christian background. Not all though, and the ones that don't are the ones that we need to be wary of. For the question of what am I, I'm a protestant. I've grown up as a Wesleyan (very close to Methodist) but I consider myself non-denominational because of the problems I see within the Wesleyan church I know it gets frustrating, and I'm sorry if I was harsh with you, I am just trying to get you to see the other side of things. I'm 20 so I don't know if I'm older than you or not... and for reading the Bible... I read it as regularly as I can, but I'm a college student so its difficult to find times to... and reading it all the way through I haven't ever done. The only reason I know so much is because I'm a preachers kid, and I remember everything my dad has ever preached (I have a superb memory) as well as everything that I've read in regards to the Bible. Don't worry about going overboard with your opinion, I'm just trying to make sure that you don't write someone off who is catholic just because they are catholic. There are catholics who love the Lord with all of their hearts and it would be a shame for someone to deny that simply because they are catholic
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:36 pm
Friar Thomas -+ch!kita+- Friar Thomas I'm not trying to change your views about Christ... nor am I trying to convert you to Catholicism because I'm not catholic either... I'm trying to make you realize that Catholics are Christians with different beliefs than you're own but that doesn't make them evil or not Christian Matthew 7:1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matthew 5:43-48 You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[h] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.Mark 12:28-31 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" 29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'[f] 31 The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[g]There is no commandment greater than these."
If your not Catholic.. Then what are you? And I do believe that Jesus died in the cross.because it says it in the bible. Yeah i know about the "love thy neigbour" and Dont judge.. But sometimes i just see stuff..That isnt right.
And Il admit that i Kind of messed up in certain parts of this Debate or arguiment. But This all goes back to what vk fox wroteVK Fox what If they practice, and teach things contrary to Biblical teachings, then I cannot accept them as brethren. We do have a right, indeed a God given obligation, to look at what others teach and compare them to the scriptures. If it is found to contradict said scriptures, we are to reject it completely. We can, and should, reject anyone who teaches anything that is not aligned with the word of God.
Im sorry.
I just Get upset the fact about stuff sometimes. And it's not just catholics.. it's other religions aswell..People with their athiestism..and Dissing my Lord..It just gets frustating sometimes. I wasnt expecting this whole thing about the pope to get thiss far.. sweatdrop But I guess your right. In a lot of points. Your probably even older then me. xp
Youve Probably read the bible more then 5 times.. Because you know alot. I just didn't mean to go Over board with my oppinion.. stare sweatdrop If their beliefs are contrary to the Bible then yes they are wrong, but a lot of Catholics do follow a strong Christian background. Not all though, and the ones that don't are the ones that we need to be wary of. For the question of what am I, I'm a protestant. I've grown up as a Wesleyan (very close to Methodist) but I consider myself non-denominational because of the problems I see within the Wesleyan church I know it gets frustrating, and I'm sorry if I was harsh with you, I am just trying to get you to see the other side of things. I'm 20 so I don't know if I'm older than you or not... and for reading the Bible... I read it as regularly as I can, but I'm a college student so its difficult to find times to... and reading it all the way through I haven't ever done. The only reason I know so much is because I'm a preachers kid, and I remember everything my dad has ever preached (I have a superb memory) as well as everything that I've read in regards to the Bible. Don't worry about going overboard with your opinion, I'm just trying to make sure that you don't write someone off who is catholic just because they are catholic. There are catholics who love the Lord with all of their hearts and it would be a shame for someone to deny that simply because they are catholic eek
This explains alot, as to how you backed yourself up.
I see. I am Chirstian- Pentecostal.. sweatdrop
Lol. You are older then me by one year I think. im 19(recently turned 19). But Il addmit you did made me realize stuff and that is why i just stopped and gave up. Because I noticed what i was doing was wrong.. in many different ways.
i just get caught up in the moment.. I can admitt you won this battle of the Pope situation LOL but true enough il let it be. (:
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