Evolution: Fact Or Fiction

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[Empress Nikki the Fae]

Andrzei

Jesus is the messiah and the son of God, while according to the Quran he was a prophet, a lesser prophet than Muhammed. According to the bible(though it does not say that, but Mohammed did fit the criteria) Mohammed was a false prophet, what with Jesus not being the messiah. So basically, you'd have 1 god with 2 different doctrines.

One god three doctrines. Judaism follows YHWH as well.

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Or else YHWH=every diety ever, the interpretations are different.

Sure if you like bastardizing the nature of gods.

[Rinny_chan]

Okay. This is really lame guys. It is a proven fact that evolution is in fact very wrong. Sorry to burst your bubbles, but humans were not evolved from apes. There is the scientific reasons for this as well as obvious ones that should have been more of common sense. First, for the scientific, proven:

(Understand before hand that I did read this from a credible source, but I am not in the mood to go and look for another on the internet, so believe it if you wish, don't if you don't. I understand that some people are very untrusting of these things without sources.)
Every part of living DNA contains real elements, correct? Well, recently it was discovered that in reality, human DNA contains a certain number (can't remember the exact off the top of my head.) of elements NOT found on earth, but monkeys do. So, tell me, if we really and truly evolved from apes, monkeys, whatever, wouldn't we contain real earthly elements in our DNA as well? It makes no sense to say that we evolved from something we don't even have the same elements as.

And, as for my personal disproval:

If we really evolved from apes, then why are apes still around? Some evolved into humans by natural selection, yet some decided to stick around as apes? Hmmm...Natural selection states "survival of the fittest", so if humans were the fittest (which I am asuming is true due to the fact that we consider ourselves so highly and sort of rule over monkeys, so to say), then why would apes be around? And, there are none of the in between species mentioned in the theory around today. There are apes(which were at the beginning), and then humans (at the end). There are none of the in between species here today. So, if they were still an evolved version of modern apes, then how did the lowest of the chain survive, but not the ones before it. It makes no sense. Also, even after many many many years, humans have never evolved. Is that supposed to mean we are perfect? I should hope not. And, as I do believe in some natural selection ideas, I do not believe that natural selection is or would be a cause to actual evolution. They are two seperate subjects. Natural selection says that the most fit will make it, which is indeed true. And, as that could wipe out some species, or even make the species appear to be different, it could not create an entire new species, with different DNA and all. And, it for sure cannot create a new secies without wiping out the first.

If I find any sources for the scientific matter, I will be sure to post them. And also, I am very sorry if there were any mistakes in my spelling or grammar, my keyboard has been acting up a bit.

I hope it was a little refreshing to see someone not just automatically taking the side, "Oh, evolution HAS to be wrong because the bible says so!!!!!!!" I am a christian, and believe in the bible, but I also don't think we should so easily believe in things without looking into them first.

And, not believing in the bible or God, does NOT automatically mean that evolution is correct.

PS - Somebody please give me a good argument. =)

[Soul Reflection]

Rinny_chan

Okay. This is really lame guys. It is a proven fact that evolution is in fact very wrong. Sorry to burst your bubbles, but humans were not evolved from apes. There is the scientific reasons for this as well as obvious ones that should have been more of common sense. First, for the scientific, proven:

(Understand before hand that I did read this from a credible source, but I am not in the mood to go and look for another on the internet, so believe it if you wish, don't if you don't. I understand that some people are very untrusting of these things without sources.)
Every part of living DNA contains real elements, correct? Well, recently it was discovered that in reality, human DNA contains a certain number (can't remember the exact off the top of my head.) of elements NOT found on earth, but monkeys do. So, tell me, if we really and truly evolved from apes, monkeys, whatever, wouldn't we contain real earthly elements in our DNA as well? It makes no sense to say that we evolved from something we don't even have the same elements as.

And, as for my personal disproval:

If we really evolved from apes, then why are apes still around? Some evolved into humans by natural selection, yet some decided to stick around as apes? Hmmm...Natural selection states "survival of the fittest", so if humans were the fittest (which I am asuming is true due to the fact that we consider ourselves so highly and sort of rule over monkeys, so to say), then why would apes be around? And, there are none of the in between species mentioned in the theory around today. There are apes(which were at the beginning), and then humans (at the end). There are none of the in between species here today. So, if they were still an evolved version of modern apes, then how did the lowest of the chain survive, but not the ones before it. It makes no sense. Also, even after many many many years, humans have never evolved. Is that supposed to mean we are perfect? I should hope not. And, as I do believe in some natural selection ideas, I do not believe that natural selection is or would be a cause to actual evolution. They are two seperate subjects. Natural selection says that the most fit will make it, which is indeed true. And, as that could wipe out some species, or even make the species appear to be different, it could not create an entire new species, with different DNA and all. And, it for sure cannot create a new secies without wiping out the first.

If I find any sources for the scientific matter, I will be sure to post them. And also, I am very sorry if there were any mistakes in my spelling or grammar, my keyboard has been acting up a bit.

I hope it was a little refreshing to see someone not just automatically taking the side, "Oh, evolution HAS to be wrong because the bible says so!!!!!!!" I am a christian, and believe in the bible, but I also don't think we should so easily believe in things without looking into them first.

And, not believing in the bible or God, does NOT automatically mean that evolution is correct.

PS - Somebody please give me a good argument. =)

I can, and in one sentence:

Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection is a proven fact as a mechanism for evolution, but it does not say in his theory that humans came from apes.

[Empress Nikki the Fae]

Rinny_chan

Okay. This is really lame guys. It is a proven fact that evolution is in fact very wrong.

Proof?

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Sorry to burst your bubbles, but humans were not evolved from apes.

Good to see that you agree with evolution.

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(Understand before hand that I did read this from a credible source, but I am not in the mood to go and look for another on the internet, so believe it if you wish, don't if you don't. I understand that some people are very untrusting of these things without sources.)

This is ED. Get the ******** out if you are not going to follow the rules of debate.

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Every part of living DNA contains real elements, correct? Well, recently it was discovered that in reality, human DNA contains a certain number (can't remember the exact off the top of my head.) of elements NOT found on earth, but monkeys do. So, tell me, if we really and truly evolved from apes, monkeys, whatever, wouldn't we contain real earthly elements in our DNA as well? It makes no sense to say that we evolved from something we don't even have the same elements as.

What the hell are you babbling about? This smells of bullshit of the stupidest nature.

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If we really evolved from apes, then why are apes still around?

Probably cause we didn't evolve from apes but a common ancestor who is no longer around.

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Natural selection states "survival of the fittest", so if humans were the fittest

Err no, it doesn't.

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And, not believing in the bible or God, does NOT automatically mean that evolution is correct.

Err huh? Babbling again.

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PS - Somebody please give me a good argument.

Tired of your ad ignorantiam?

[Andrzei]

Fluffy Little Octopus

Andrzei

I disagree, I beleive that if God and Allah were to exist, they'd be separate beings, they share many similar traits, hey, the Quran and bible are really very close but there are fundamental differences(what with Islam being based off of Christianity)


Jesus is the messiah and the son of God, while according to the Quran he was a prophet, a lesser prophet than Muhammed. According to the bible(though it does not say that, but Mohammed did fit the criteria) Mohammed was a false prophet, what with Jesus not being the messiah. So basically, you'd have 1 god with 2 different doctrines.

Or else YHWH=every diety ever, the interpretations are different.

So...Judaism, whose doctrine doesn't even regard Jesus as a prophet, isn't worshipping the same god as Christianity either?

Good point, that didn't even come to me.

I think the Jewish and Christian God would be the same, as they don't have anything conflicting beyond the whole Jesus thing to my knowledge.

WHat I'm trying to say is that Jews and Christians worship the same because they don't have conflict ideas about that specifically, while christianity regards Mohammed as a false prophet and Islam regards jesus not as the messiah.

Fae Ascendant: LIke I said, the whole Jewish thing didn't come to me as I wrote me post, but I addressed it as best I could. The jews are, and I realize this sounds a little stupid, missing a piece of the puzzle. YOu make a good point though, I am oversimplifying in that sense.

[Empress Nikki the Fae]

Andrzei

I think the Jewish and Christian God would be the same, as they don't have anything conflicting beyond the whole Jesus thing to my knowledge.

Funny how Islam and Christianity don't have anything conflicting other then the Jesus thing. Hell Islam is closer since it doesn't label Jesus a heretic but as a prophet.

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WHat I'm trying to say is that Jews and Christians worship the same because they don't have conflict ideas about that specifically, while christianity regards Mohammed as a false prophet and Islam regards jesus not as the messiah.

While Judaism acknowledge Jesus as a heretic. rolleyes How is this any different?

[Help Me Get Over You]

Im going to have to agree with Fae on this one, Soul. Your "proof" has several factual gaps in it, and your own argument lacks any convincing pieces. Evolution, while it does indeed often eliminate those "unfit" for survival, does not always do so. Can you say "Peanut allergies"? Also, homo sapiens sapiens is actually evolving, as evidenced by the rising number of people who lack wisdom teeth.

[Andrzei]

Okay. This is really lame guys. It is a proven fact that evolution is in fact very wrong. Sorry to burst your bubbles, but humans were not evolved from apes. There is the scientific reasons for this as well as obvious ones that should have been more of common sense. First, for the scientific, proven:




Every part of living DNA contains real elements, correct?

Correct


Well, recently it was discovered that in reality, human DNA contains a certain number (can't remember the exact off the top of my head.) of elements NOT found on earth, but monkeys do.

Alright, so there is an element found in human DNA that is not found on earth, but monkeys do aswell. WHA ?!?! You realize that this makes it sound like were are related, what with us being the only 2 things in the world with this magical element.

Seriously, I'm having trouble understanding what you're trying to say here.

So, tell me, if we really and truly evolved from apes, monkeys, whatever, wouldn't we contain real earthly elements in our DNA as well? It makes no sense to say that we evolved from something we don't even have the same elements as.

WOW ! That is some confusing stuff you wrote there. But it makes sense, monkey have something in there DNA we don't have, correct ?

Lets being, first of , DNA is made up of bases, A (adenosine) T (Thiamine) G (guanine) and C (Cytosine) and then since we want to get fancy Urasil, Purine and Pyrimidine. It has more stuff, but that's irrelevent

Now, EVERYTHING has DNA, (thats alive) everything. You are 50% the same (genetically as a Banana !Hurrah!) It is impossible for monkey to have an undiscovered bose, it would be impossible for it to form effective chemical bonds and help structure DNA.
Impossible, it just would not work, the DNA would not fit together. Allow me to re-iterate. We know what monkeys have in there DNA, there cannot exist a species of monkey with a magical DNA base that only they have.

WHat you have said is impossible aswell, because monkey would not be alive today, as they wouldn't have enough of this element to go around, if it is not found on earth. THis is bullshit pseudo science.




And, as for my personal disproval:

If we really evolved from apes, then why are apes still around? Some evolved into humans by natural selection, yet some decided to stick around as apes? Hmmm...Natural selection states "survival of the fittest", so if humans were the fittest (which I am asuming is true due to the fact that we consider ourselves so highly and sort of rule over monkeys, so to say), then why would apes be around? And, there are none of the in between species mentioned in the theory around today. There are apes(which were at the beginning), and then humans (at the end). There are none of the in between species here today. So, if they were still an evolved version of modern apes, then how did the lowest of the chain survive, but not the ones before it. It makes no sense. Also, even after many many many years, humans have never evolved. Is that supposed to mean we are perfect? I should hope not. And, as I do believe in some natural selection ideas, I do not believe that natural selection is or would be a cause to actual evolution. They are two seperate subjects. Natural selection says that the most fit will make it, which is indeed true. And, as that could wipe out some species, or even make the species appear to be different, it could not create an entire new species, with different DNA and all. And, it for sure cannot create a new secies without wiping out the first.


OH BOY ! HUmans evolved from a common apelike ancestor (the same on moderm day apes evolved from). In africa. THis is because of changing climate conditions. There weren't enough trees, so they took to the ground and started to change to survive in there environment. South America is monkey rich due to the fact that they have a buttload of trees (clear cutting notwithstanding)

Yes, humans are still evolving, natural selection is still present, just less so. Certain traits are desirable in our society, those with those traits are more desirable in our society. Those without desirable traits just don't get in on it. Bam ! There you ! Of course, those with less than desirable traits will still procreate in our society, slowling evolution. Poeple with serious diseases would have died out by now if it wasn't for medical science before they could pass their genes on. Some still do. Evolution is artificially slowed by our society.

If I find any sources for the scientific matter, I will be sure to post them. And also, I am very sorry if there were any mistakes in my spelling or grammar, my keyboard has been acting up a bit.

I hope it was a little refreshing to see someone not just automatically taking the side, "Oh, evolution HAS to be wrong because the bible says so!!!!!!!" I am a christian, and believe in the bible, but I also don't think we should so easily believe in things without looking into them first.

And, not believing in the bible or God, does NOT automatically mean that evolution is correct.

PS - Somebody please give me a good argument

[Andrzei]

Fae Ascendant

Andrzei

I think the Jewish and Christian God would be the same, as they don't have anything conflicting beyond the whole Jesus thing to my knowledge.

Funny how Islam and Christianity don't have anything conflicting other then the Jesus thing. Hell Islam is closer since it doesn't label Jesus a heretic but as a prophet.

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WHat I'm trying to say is that Jews and Christians worship the same because they don't have conflict ideas about that specifically, while christianity regards Mohammed as a false prophet and Islam regards jesus not as the messiah.

While Judaism acknowledge Jesus as a heretic. rolleyes How is this any different?

I was unaware that judaism labelled Jesus a heretic, I know the Jews of the time did, but I didn't know there was an official stance on things.

If according to Judaism Jesus was just a heretic, my argument really has nothing to stand on. Well, maybe that Judaism and Islam have a differnt god now, what with the Jews thinking that 2 prophets of Allah were heretics. There goes my venn diagram concept of Judaism/Christianty/Islam.

Touche sir

[Andrzei]

One more thing, evolution doesn't need to wipe out one species for there to another, or else we would have the same # of species consistently, there are animals that haven't really changed much in eons, sharks for example.

[Soul Reflection]

Fu12

Im going to have to agree with Fae on this one, Soul. Your "proof" has several factual gaps in it, and your own argument lacks any convincing pieces. Evolution, while it does indeed often eliminate those "unfit" for survival, does not always do so. Can you say "Peanut allergies"? Also, homo sapiens sapiens is actually evolving, as evidenced by the rising number of people who lack wisdom teeth.

the "Soul" part makes me think this was aimed at me, was it?

[Starshard0]

I believe in a lot of things, all at once. I realize that it's tough to explain, but I'm a firm beleiver in God as well as evolution.

[Kasterain]

Evolution is fact, they have found tons of prrof, like dinosoar bones that are older than human bones. If god created humans first, how do you explain that???????? confused question question question

[NemoGurl2992]

Kasterain

Evolution is fact, they have found tons of prrof, like dinosoar bones that are older than human bones. If god created humans first, how do you explain that???????? confused question question question

THAT is not exactly true...how do they prove that the bones are really what they call "dinosaurs"? As the bible says that God created land animals, birds and fishes BEFORE He created man. So therefore, he did create animals[what u call, dinosoar], and THEN man. Notice, that, it says "MAN" not...EVOLVE to man. wink

[Jaaten Syric]

Care to explain why I should believe the bible over mountains of scientific evidence?