[Ren The Ryoko]
SpunkleMcKats
[Ren The Ryoko]
SpunkleMcKats
[Ren The Ryoko]
What proof or evidence do you have that there is no material universe?
Let me ask you this, what proof do you have that there IS a material universe?
The fact that I interact with it? The fact that we are having this conversation? The general consensus of human thought based on everything we've experienced since birth?
I mean, sure, as I've said, to some degree we have to assume that we aren't just brains in jars. But why would I assume that I was? I've been given no evidence that reality isn't REAL.
But when you're dreaming, do you not interact with the environment in your dream? Does that not also appear to be material? Yet when you awaken, it is then considered non-material because you can no longer interact with it. No?
Furthermore, who is to say that you were born? or that any past exists what-so-ever?
It could be said that the memories that you have of the so-called past are just a story imprinted into your mind - it's summed up nicely by a quote from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy; The Resturant at the End of the Universe:
The Ultimate Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams page 282
"How can I tell," said the man, "that the past isn't a fiction esigned to account for the discrepancy between my immediate physical sensations and my state of mind?"
And I'm not arguing the interactablility of the world, I am merely pointing out that you may not be interacting with anything other than thought itself. Like rotating an object in your mind, or doing mental math; nothing physical exists, merely the perception. Do you see?
As I've said before: I'm a lucid dreamer. I'm aware when I'm dreaming roughly 90% of the dreams I remember. So...I can tell, even during the dream, the difference between the dream and reality.
But regardless: I have no reason to doubt the realness of reality. There's no evidence for me to doubt this world.
And even if I did: so what? What does that philosophy actually get anyone?
Okay, so you lucid dream, I do too. But what if this is just one great big dream? Everything in life? This actually reminds me a lot of Plato's myth of the cave. Ever hear of it?
The "realness of reality" isn't under question here. It's whether or not the world that we appear to live in is strictly material, strictly non-material, or some form of dualism. Again, you say you have no reason to doubt the world, neither did the main characters in Plato's Myth of the Cave. Yet what they had come to know as reality was untrue, and the one who told them what the world was really like was not believed for the same reason - no one else had any reason to doubt their world views.
"So what?" you ask? Well if all the world is only matter, than we have no afterlife/reincarnation/heaven/hell to look forward to, thereby we must ammend our actions for the sole purpose of how it will affect those who come after us. If all the world is only spirit/non-matter, then presumably we would alter our lives to reach our personal higher goal, nirvana or realizing that atman and brahmin are the same (sp), etc. Same concept applies to dualism and theism.
You might like the story, "The Egg" it's by Andy Weir on galactica.net under writings, it's only a page long... I think you'd find it interesting. -nods-
In the short term, all of this is just mental masturbation. It's fun. :3