What do you believe preexisted the Big Bang?

[Xiam]

Nityananda-rama dasa

Xiam

Above the south pole would be north of the south pole. I'm simply going further south. talk2hand

How is it north if it is moving further away from both poles?

TT-TT

Ever seen a map? Up is north!

[TANRailgun]

The Yank

Just wondering. I'm simply a theist, I believe in God but I don't affiliate myself with any religion.
I'm not launching an attack on you guys, just want to know what you guys think! Thanks 3nodding

In a nutshell: there was no "before the big bang".

[The Skilled Thief]

There are many theories and the one I know the most of is that of Stephen Hawkings which states that "There was no time before the Big Bang happened, no "before", because time was created at the moment of the Big Bang, so the question of what happened before is wrong". Why don`t you check on Google other theories, I know there are more. It`s still unknown. wink

[The New Wineskin]

Nityananda-rama dasa

The New Wineskin

Well, to be fair, this is called the Expansion-Contraction Theory, which is an extension of the Big Bang Theory, claiming that universes go into a never-ending cycle of expansion and contraction into and out-of themselves.

Modern astronomers aren't so big in this theory now thanks to accelerating expansion.

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[Kanisuu]

The Yank

Just wondering. I'm simply a theist, I believe in God but I don't affiliate myself with any religion.
I'm not launching an attack on you guys, just want to know what you guys think! Thanks 3nodding

You believe in a god, but don't affiliate yourself with any religion? Would you mind describing your deity then, and tell us how you came to find it?

I don't believe in anything in regards to what came before the big bang. Any attempt to answer that question at this point would require the very word you used to frame it: belief. Not knowledge, just faith that whatever my answer is, it is correct. Atheists do not tend to think that way.

I could throw out a few ideas, but that's all they would be, ideas. Certainly nothing with substantial evidence behind it.

Perhaps the big bang was precipitated by a big crunch. Current facts do not lend themselves to support of that concept however. With the universe not only expanding, but that expansion gaining velocity over time, saying that it could somehow collapse in upon itself would be a guess with no evidence to support it. Another alternative is that the big bang was the other end of a black hole implosion, a white hole, matter being ejected from another universe or reality into our own. All we can do is throw somewhat empty speculation at the idea at this point.

[Dardanos Immortalis]

Xiam

Nityananda-rama dasa

Xiam

Above the south pole would be north of the south pole. I'm simply going further south. talk2hand

How is it north if it is moving further away from both poles?

TT-TT

Ever seen a map? Up is north!

I dont thinks thats what he meant by up.

I think he meant up, as in up into the sky/space. When you stant at the South Pole, you aren't upside down. At the South Pole the sky is up and the North Pole is down.

Madame Van Damme

From my limited understanding of physics, I personally believe whole heartedly in equations and all that sort of stuff.

Stars die out all the time. They explode and destroy solar systems and turn into other celestial bodies. Our solar system was formed by a star forming. That is, matter gravitated together into a very dense, but very small, mass, and collapsed in on itself, creating our sun. The planets are simply debris, it just so happens that Earth is in the Goldilocks Zone, which means it's 'just right' for supporting human and animal life as we know it.

I personally believe that the universe as we know it was formed in a similar way, but on a far larger scale. If the universe, time and space are infinite, then there is more than enough 'space', if you will, for big bang style events to be happening constantly and to be creating new galaxies and clusters of galaxies. It's just that we don't yet have the technology to see far away enough to pictorally prove it. However, I'm a big believer in proof and science, and I have a lot of faith in theories and mathematics.

I agree with a lot of that.

On the other hand I don't think we are anywhere near capable of discovering [if indeed it even can be discovered] what happened before the big bang, if there was a even was a big bang, if time and space are infinite or not [I'm inclined to think they are], or if the universe is expanding or if just the areas of the universe that we can see with our miniscule technology

And if God did create everything from nothing, what the heck was he doing before that?

[Nityananda-rama dasa]

The New Wineskin

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Basically, the universe is moving apart at an increasing rate

[azulmagia]

I don't exactly know, but I'm not about to bullshit an answer - which is the modus operandi of religion, in case you haven't guessed.

[Doubtful Dreamer]

Ban

I don't pretend to understand the whole idea, but my sense is that, in a brane cosmology, that may not be actually fatal to the idea. Heat death could occur and nonetheless enough energy for a new universe could be created in the next collision of higher dimensional space.

I suppose that could be entirely possible given that the "other" dimensions of this model would not be expanding.

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Yeah, I'm given to understand that it's just mathematically elegant. But, hey, the LHC is debunking all sorts of stuff. No Higgs Boson, no WIMPs, nothing. Stupid Standard Model is bogus.

I'm joking, of course. I think they're still looking for WIMPs.

I can't actually find much about WIMPs that is up to date. The best I can get is from the beginning of this year where they are describing what they hope to observe at the LHC.

[Kerubiel]

Not sure how I can believe in science...but alas.

I've read a multitude of theories, most of which saying that before the Big Bang there was a sea of nascent, primitive hydrogen atoms. A formless void of what would make up our universe, you could say. The Big Bang occured when the collective hydrogen atoms condensed into a singularity, followed by a massive series of chemical reactions that sprung every modern element into being. The "Bang" would have thus only the biproduct of energy from these reactions all occurring at once.

I wouldn't hold me to it, though. It's just a theory I once read up on in a high school textbook. For all I know it's already been disproven sweatdrop

[[Ren The Ryoko]]

"Before the Big Bang" isn't a concept that makes sense. They was we understand time is highly dependent on how fast we're moving compared to the speed of light. Take away distance and time and cram everything into the ultra-dense singularity and there is not way for us to understand "time" as we understand it now.

[Nathiuz]

I'll take a different approach.

There was no big bang, and there is no material universe.

[The New Wineskin]

Nathiuz

I'll take a different approach.

There was no big bang, and there is no material universe.

Proof?

[Nathiuz]

The New Wineskin

Nathiuz

I'll take a different approach.

There was no big bang, and there is no material universe.

Proof?

The material world is made up of perceptions, only appearing to exist. Pain does not exist without being sensed. Sound is only sound when it is sensed. Material matter does not exist, per se, they only exist as a number of perceptions. The only thing that really exists is spirit, and that has always existed and will always exist. Matter doesn't exist. Since matter does not exist, there was no big bang, and therefore, no material universe.

[[Ren The Ryoko]]

Nathiuz

The New Wineskin

Nathiuz

I'll take a different approach.

There was no big bang, and there is no material universe.

Proof?

The material world is made up of perceptions, only appearing to exist. Pain does not exist without being sensed. Sound is only sound when it is sensed. Material matter does not exist, per se, they only exist as a number of perceptions. The only thing that really exists is spirit, and that has always existed and will always exist. Matter doesn't exist. Since matter does not exist, there was no big bang, and therefore, no material universe.

Interesting claim.
Can you prove it?