Blind Guardian the 2nd
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- Posted: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:07:32 +0000
Dandrogyny
You don't like "xe", you're not asking me to call them "it", so what are you suggesting? I'm guessing you want me to use "they", and I already explained why I don't use it.
This argument got stupid and went in circles like I said it would. Have a ********' beer so you can relax your tight a*****e a bit.
Your "firm beliefs" aren't relevant. By now enough people know what the word means. You didn't even have to ask what it meant. It isn't confusing anybody. And when you tell people you use it because calling people "it" is weird, it doesn't take much more for them to get it. You don't give people's intelligence enough credit. You must also hate all slang.
The word "gravy" isn't a word ABOUT people that offends them. Since intersex people and gender-neutral people have voiced not wanting to be called "it", and a number of them also really don't like "they" and really do prefer "xe", I'm going to go with what they've been asking for. I'm pretty sure they're the authority on naming themselves and "making up" words. I'm not gonna crawl three times up their asses about it.
The "true" grammatical use of "it" is irrelevant. The word bothers people in reference to themselves, so I don't use it. This is not a difficult concept.
I don't need somebody flipping out over one word telling me to "grow up," thanks. Say whatever you want, I won't throw a fit. You've essentially already said that last sentence, you just went off on a tangent instead. I might have preferred you to keep it short and not waste so much time on nothing.
This argument got stupid and went in circles like I said it would. Have a ********' beer so you can relax your tight a*****e a bit.
Your "firm beliefs" aren't relevant. By now enough people know what the word means. You didn't even have to ask what it meant. It isn't confusing anybody. And when you tell people you use it because calling people "it" is weird, it doesn't take much more for them to get it. You don't give people's intelligence enough credit. You must also hate all slang.
The word "gravy" isn't a word ABOUT people that offends them. Since intersex people and gender-neutral people have voiced not wanting to be called "it", and a number of them also really don't like "they" and really do prefer "xe", I'm going to go with what they've been asking for. I'm pretty sure they're the authority on naming themselves and "making up" words. I'm not gonna crawl three times up their asses about it.
The "true" grammatical use of "it" is irrelevant. The word bothers people in reference to themselves, so I don't use it. This is not a difficult concept.
I don't need somebody flipping out over one word telling me to "grow up," thanks. Say whatever you want, I won't throw a fit. You've essentially already said that last sentence, you just went off on a tangent instead. I might have preferred you to keep it short and not waste so much time on nothing.
Yes, you don't use it because it's "grammatically unpleasant". Like I said, to me, it's the same as making a word up because you don't like how another sounds. I don't give a ******** what you decide to use, but I won't respect "xe" because of its poor political nature. You seem to really struggle with the notion that I can oppose your word usage without providing an alternative.
It follows that a dispute over a stupid word must be a stupid argument.
Considering my belief upon the foundations of language is that of Ludwig Wittgenstein, I'd say they're pretty relevant.
I see. As long as enough people know the meaning of doubleplusgood, it's not at all problematic!
Slang creates words for concepts that haven't yet received linguistic expression due to cultural nuance, or are simply localisms used to express the same concept that national languages also have a word for. I don't happen to see slang as in the same class as constructionist political language with an agenda.
What's their problem with "they", exactly? If "it" is an issue with its relation to objects, I can see that issue. It can be undone, but I can see it. "They", however? This is why I am convinced it is a politically expressive term more than anything else, akin to Marxists calling each other "comrade", or using blood-kin terms to address one another.
Um, no. It's not irrelevant at all. It's the foundation of the word's usage. It's how it becomes employed in our language. It is the furthest ******** thing from irrelevant, and if it was irrelevant, they wouldn't feel the need to generate a term to replace it.
"Flipping out"? Right. Asking you if you're serious and then expressing my dislike of the term is "flipping out". But no, I haven't "essentially said that last sentence". I've explained my position, which is a far cry from telling someone to "deal with it". But yes, I'll take your perspective, anyone who explains their views is "going off on a tangent".
I could have kept it far shorter if you didn't keep denying pertinent aspects of the issues.