Not News: Texas Lawmakers Hate Women (Trigger Warning, Rape)

[The Living Force]

TRIGGER WARNING This thread is discussing a topic related to sexual assault and/or rape which may be triggering to survivors.

So, y'all'll probably remember the thread a while back about Virginia trying to pass a law obligating women to have an intrusive and unnecessary vaginal ultrasound. Y'all might even remember that the VA Governor shot it down as being ridiculous and intrusive.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/opinion/sunday/kristof-when-states-abuse-women.html?_r=2&src=tp

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/82R/billtext/pdf/HB00015F.pdf#navpanes=0

Well a similar bill passed in Texas. Not news, right? "Rick Perry's state attacks women, coulda told ya that."

Interestingly, up until 2003, the vaginal ultrasound would have violated the state's anti-sodomy laws. Of course, they had to change that law, but it seems they only wanted it in capacities where "artificial penetration" was used in consensual relationships.

So, here's what we can discuss:
Legality issues
Women's Rights in regards to not having to be effectively raped (rape with a device counts as rape, as does obligating sex or sex-like activities for something; it's rape to tell someone, "If you want antibiotics, suck my d**k," so this is likewise rape: "If you want an abortion, spread your legs so I can stick this in you a little bit." )
Idea of war on women in general

[Riviera de la Mancha]

I dont like the law, but please, stop the dramatics by calling it 'rape'.

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

"Well, you know, it's because abortion is such an unnecessary procedure, so it's just making sure that woman know full well what they're doing before they do it." - Some c**t.

To me it's like corrective rape: the idea of brutally ******** a woman against her will so she remembers "not to do it again in future".

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

Riviera de la Mancha

I dont like the law, but please, stop the dramatics by calling it 'rape'.

So sorry Manc: sexual assault. Is that better?

[The Living Force]

Riviera de la Mancha

I dont like the law, but please, stop the dramatics by calling it 'rape'.

Penetration by an object (which is sexual) is required for a service. If I tell you that you have to blow me in order to get health care, you'd call that rape, right?

Same idea.

[Firebird Trans Am GTA_87]

I'm hate states right's.

[Pipebracket]

is a pap smear rape?

how about a pelvic exam?

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

Tadpole Jackson

is a pap smear rape?

how about a pelvic exam?

If they're forced upon another unnecessarily for the purpose of being issued other medical treatments, then, yes.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

Blind Guardian the 2nd

Riviera de la Mancha

I dont like the law, but please, stop the dramatics by calling it 'rape'.

So sorry Manc: sexual assault. Is that better?

Even sexual assault is kind of much to me. If that's sexual assault, then I guess the docs charged with doing exams on women and men who were raped are guilty of sexual assault too? Come now.

Just call it for what it is- its an unnecessarily invasive procedure whose sole function is emotional appeal.

[Pipebracket]

Blind Guardian the 2nd

Tadpole Jackson

is a pap smear rape?

how about a pelvic exam?

If they're forced upon another unnecessarily for the purpose of being issued other medical treatments, then, yes.

It's still medical, hell, they are mandatory as part of the diagnosis process for some things.

abortions are voluntary, if that process includes an ultrasound, and you don't want that, don't have the procedure.

you think an abortion is somehow less invasive? bullshit.

don't call it rape, that's disingenuous both to the process and to victims of ACTUAL rape.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

The Living Force

Riviera de la Mancha

I dont like the law, but please, stop the dramatics by calling it 'rape'.

Penetration by an object (which is sexual) is required for a service. If I tell you that you have to blow me in order to get health care, you'd call that rape, right?

Same idea.

Oh please- so you mean when I go and get a prostate exam, (wherein the doctor puts his finger in your a**s), that is automatically sexual? Rarely have I used this, but I feel its apt; dramallama

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

Riviera de la Mancha

Blind Guardian the 2nd

Riviera de la Mancha

I dont like the law, but please, stop the dramatics by calling it 'rape'.

So sorry Manc: sexual assault. Is that better?

Even sexual assault is kind of much to me. If that's sexual assault, then I guess the docs charged with doing exams on women and men who were raped are guilty of sexual assault too? Come now.

Just call it for what it is- its an unnecessarily invasive procedure whose sole function is emotional appeal.

Not at all. The difference is consent, and no future medical procedures were conditional upon receiving the first. Furthermore, this case is a sexual invasion for NO medical purpose, hence why it is more an issue of invasion than the others.

I wouldn't argue its only about emotional appeal. I'd argue it's about bodily punishment too. ("You have different relationships to reproduction so we're going to ******** you with a stick." wink

[Firebird Trans Am GTA_87]

Riviera de la Mancha

The Living Force

Riviera de la Mancha

I dont like the law, but please, stop the dramatics by calling it 'rape'.

Penetration by an object (which is sexual) is required for a service. If I tell you that you have to blow me in order to get health care, you'd call that rape, right?

Same idea.

Oh please- so you mean when I go and get a prostate exam, (wherein the doctor puts his finger in your a**s), that is automatically sexual? Rarely have I used this, but I feel its apt; dramallama

What Family Guy alluded to is true; men don't get prostate exams because they don't want a long rod with a camera attached down their bootyhole because they view it as sexual.

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

Riviera de la Mancha

The Living Force

Riviera de la Mancha

I dont like the law, but please, stop the dramatics by calling it 'rape'.

Penetration by an object (which is sexual) is required for a service. If I tell you that you have to blow me in order to get health care, you'd call that rape, right?

Same idea.

Oh please- so you mean when I go and get a prostate exam, (wherein the doctor puts his finger in your a**s), that is automatically sexual? Rarely have I used this, but I feel its apt; dramallama

No, we mean that this is like a doctor insisting on giving you a prostate exam before you're permitted to have a vasectomy.

[shoeless joe]

Trigger warnings seem ridiculous to me.

Anyway... as long as the woman signs all the appropriate s**t waiving the doctor's relevant liability there should be no reason for any exams at all.