Feminism

[Cykx]

memeotional

men are... still not objectified, no. i have yet to see any media that objectifies them. they are only idealized.

So it would be something like. Girl gets dumped. Gets with a dude just to have sex and make herself feel better, before going back to Dude #1?

[Cykx]

Wild Herb

yeah, sadly that lack of respect is all too common. eventually men do grow up and learn to respect women because chances are if they don't, they'll end up being celibate. even a good 'player' knows how to treat a woman, you know? thanks for the kindness, but what i went through was a harsh lesson i had to learn in life for a greater good, thats how i look at it. i did go through PTSD for a while because lets face it, having a grown man in his mid 40's scream in your face and tell you to go kill yourself for feeling despair over a 'friendship' built on a lie is scary as hell. but i learned a lot about him through studying psychology. im convinced he is a sociopath, his track record and his behavior points to that direction. the good news is ill never make that mistake again and these days im a lot less trusting and more wiser about who i let into my life. i still get harassed once in a while, and stalked. but ive got myself far away now and i have a good support network. :3

The worse part is, is that they don't care.
I sadly objectify a girl at my school... We are friends, and I listen and talk and laugh with her. But at the end of the day I just want to put my frustration into her... I know it's ******** up, but how do we stop men from acting and feeling this? How do we change how people think?

I am very glad that you've picked yourself up from that unfortunate period. 3nodding

[sitting cow]

Cykx

I just turned 18 this week. sweatdrop

why torture yourself thinking about sex with those people when you will never have a chance with them anyways?

[Cykx]

sitting cow

Cykx

I just turned 18 this week. sweatdrop

why torture yourself thinking about sex with those people when you will never have a chance with them anyways?

It's not torture.. I don't kill myself over it because I know it will never happen.
It's just a fantasy, an image that automatically pops into my head.

[Lucky~9~Lives]

Cykx

memeotional

men are... still not objectified, no. i have yet to see any media that objectifies them. they are only idealized.

So it would be something like. Girl gets dumped. Gets with a dude just to have sex and make herself feel better, before going back to Dude #1?

More like: girl feels entitled to get sex from a dude because it will make her feel better.

[memeotional]

Cykx

I mean, what is a guy supposed to feel and think when they see this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WTA_8waxTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxtIRArhVD4

I am aware, but that doesn't stop my feelings and thoughts when I see these things. I do not know them. The only thing I think of is sex.

well yeah, because that's literally what those ads are designed to do. and it's gross.
the mindset that "i can't help it, when i see a hot lady i get turned on," is actually a bit degrading not only to women, but to men. you're encouraging the idea that you, as a man, cannot control yourself when presented with carnal images. it's just silly. you're not understanding that you have to train yourself not to think that way. it probably won't happen immediately because guys are conditioned to think about sex and dominance 24/7. it's like, ingrained in your mind by media and social groups, regardless of whether or not you were on the internet at a young age. you're going to have to realize that thinking that way is not good, and you will have to make a conscious effort to change your outlook.

Cykx

So it would be something like. Girl gets dumped. Gets with a dude just to have sex and make herself feel better, before going back to Dude #1?

okay yes. that would be a girl objectifying a guy. you're so quick to jump to antifeminist defenses. you should realize that feminism is not about "attacking" men. i'm not saying that there isn't bad stuff out there that happens to guys sometimes. but you're ignoring the point when you say stuff like that. as the majority of statistics go, men don't struggle with inequality and oppression as much as women (and other non-male identifying people) do. feminism is about changing that for the better.

Cykx

I sadly objectify a girl at my school... We are friends, and I listen and talk and laugh with her. But at the end of the day I just want to put my frustration into her... I know it's ******** up, but how do we stop men from acting and feeling this? How do we change how people think?

step 1 - stop being mean to her. just stop.
step 2 - try talking with her as you always do, but don't say things that you know will annoy her. that's just mean.
step 3 - work on creating a healthy, supportive friendship instead. it will be much, much more rewarding and guaranteed you will feel 100% better about yourself, and she will feel better about herself as well.
like i said earlier, sadly it is a process you have to train yourself with. just treat people the way you want to be treated.

Lucky~9~Lives

More like: girl feels entitled to get sex from a dude because it will make her feel better.

frustrating, isn't it? amazing that "feels entitled to get sex from ___ because it will make ___ feel better" is something that 99% of men in social settings feel today because they've been taught to think that way. stop trying to turn the debate around. you're not truly considering the things we're trying to explain to you.

this thread was created with the original poster's intention of learning about and understanding feminism. that will not happen if you keep getting defensive. the statements you're making are the exact opposite of progressive here.

[Lucky~9~Lives]

memeotional

Cykx

So it would be something like. Girl gets dumped. Gets with a dude just to have sex and make herself feel better, before going back to Dude #1?

okay yes. that would be a girl objectifying a guy.

How so?

[vegan shrimp kabob]

Apparently, because some women star in adult films, that means all women are objectified sexually.

Radfems, for some unknown reason, clearly don't know of the existence of gay porn.

They're like, "Men look up and down women, checking them out, like they're sex objects."

Ok. I guess men do this.

But so do woman. Every straight or bi woman does this. We check men out at clubs, and the gym, and the beach, and think of doing horrible things to male celebrities like Channing Tatum.

Radfem clearly don't want to accept the fact that they too are pervs.



Are women objectified in the media?
Of course they are. But so are men, so it's really not sexism causing this. It's just that everyone, men and women, are ******** disgusting. And Radfem can't accept this for some reason.

[vegan shrimp kabob]

memeotional

Cykx

I mean, what is a guy supposed to feel and think when they see this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WTA_8waxTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxtIRArhVD4

I am aware, but that doesn't stop my feelings and thoughts when I see these things. I do not know them. The only thing I think of is sex.

well yeah, because that's literally what those ads are designed to do. and it's gross.
the mindset that "i can't help it, when i see a hot lady i get turned on," is actually a bit degrading not only to women, but to men. you're encouraging the idea that you, as a man, cannot control yourself when presented with carnal images. it's just silly. you're not understanding that you have to train yourself not to think that way. it probably won't happen immediately because guys are conditioned to think about sex and dominance 24/7. it's like, ingrained in your mind by media and social groups, regardless of whether or not you were on the internet at a young age. you're going to have to realize that thinking that way is not good, and you will have to make a conscious effort to change your outlook.

Cykx

So it would be something like. Girl gets dumped. Gets with a dude just to have sex and make herself feel better, before going back to Dude #1?

okay yes. that would be a girl objectifying a guy. you're so quick to jump to antifeminist defenses. you should realize that feminism is not about "attacking" men. i'm not saying that there isn't bad stuff out there that happens to guys sometimes. but you're ignoring the point when you say stuff like that. as the majority of statistics go, men don't struggle with inequality and oppression as much as women (and other non-male identifying people) do. feminism is about changing that for the better.

Cykx

I sadly objectify a girl at my school... We are friends, and I listen and talk and laugh with her. But at the end of the day I just want to put my frustration into her... I know it's ******** up, but how do we stop men from acting and feeling this? How do we change how people think?

step 1 - stop being mean to her. just stop.
step 2 - try talking with her as you always do, but don't say things that you know will annoy her. that's just mean.
step 3 - work on creating a healthy, supportive friendship instead. it will be much, much more rewarding and guaranteed you will feel 100% better about yourself, and she will feel better about herself as well.
like i said earlier, sadly it is a process you have to train yourself with. just treat people the way you want to be treated.

Lucky~9~Lives

More like: girl feels entitled to get sex from a dude because it will make her feel better.

frustrating, isn't it? amazing that "feels entitled to get sex from ___ because it will make ___ feel better" is something that 99% of men in social settings feel today because they've been taught to think that way. stop trying to turn the debate around. you're not truly considering the things we're trying to explain to you.

this thread was created with the original poster's intention of learning about and understanding feminism. that will not happen if you keep getting defensive. the statements you're making are the exact opposite of progressive here.

Every time I hear the song When I'm Small by Phantogram, all I can think of is hot men shaving their faces.
P&G still assumes men are too incompetent to buy razors for themselves, so all the Gillette commercials are directed at women.
So not only do they objectify men by showing only drop-dead gorgeous men in their ads who are usually shirtless and wet, they also imply men are completely incompetent without women.

[Cykx]

memeotional

well yeah, because that's literally what those ads are designed to do. and it's gross. the mindset that "i can't help it, when i see a hot lady i get turned on," is actually a bit degrading not only to women, but to men. you're encouraging the idea that you, as a man, cannot control yourself when presented with carnal images. it's just silly. you're not understanding that you have to train yourself not to think that way. it probably won't happen immediately because guys are conditioned to think about sex and dominance 24/7. it's like, ingrained in your mind by media and social groups, regardless of whether or not you were on the internet at a young age. you're going to have to realize that thinking that way is not good, and you will have to make a conscious effort to change your outlook.

It's not that I would ever attack or rape a female - EVER. It's just when I see an attractive female my first thought is "Damn, I want to get in her pants." But I understand what you're saying. It's something I have to do myself. Kind of like forcing yourself to stop biting your nails.

memeotional

okay yes. that would be a girl objectifying a guy. you're so quick to jump to antifeminist defenses. you should realize that feminism is not about "attacking" men. i'm not saying that there isn't bad stuff out there that happens to guys sometimes. but you're ignoring the point when you say stuff like that. as the majority of statistics go, men don't struggle with inequality and oppression as much as women (and other non-male identifying people) do. feminism is about changing that for the better.

I get this now, too. It's the fact that men (and sometimes women) view women and other genders that they are not as capable as men, and that they are less and are treated as so - which is unequally.

But the fact that men don't struggle with it as much as women doesn't mean anything to me. Focusing more on women and non-male identifying genders because it happens more to them than men isn't fair. If you're going to change something for people it should be all people.

How does Feminism try and change other people's views on the equality of other people, though? How do we change everyone's mindset into equal treatment for all genders? You told me how I could do it, which I am going to try to do. But how do they go about their mission?

memeotional

step 1 - stop being mean to her. just stop.
step 2 - try talking with her as you always do, but don't say things that you know will annoy her. that's just mean.
step 3 - work on creating a healthy, supportive friendship instead. it will be much, much more rewarding and guaranteed you will feel 100% better about yourself, and she will feel better about herself as well.
like i said earlier, sadly it is a process you have to train yourself with. just treat people the way you want to be treated.

I'm not mean to her... My other friends are. But I don't treat her anything less than a friend. In fact she is the annoying one lol . But what if it's something that is mutual? We are friends, we don't want to be anything more. We just like to mess around. Is it okay then?

memeotional

this thread was created with the original poster's intention of learning about and understanding feminism. that will not happen if you keep getting defensive. the statements you're making are the exact opposite of progressive here.

This is true. 3nodding

[Cykx]

remourleia

Radfem clearly don't want to accept the fact that they too are pervs. And Radfem can't accept this for some reason.

What is Radfem?

[vegan shrimp kabob]

Cykx

remourleia

Radfem clearly don't want to accept the fact that they too are pervs. And Radfem can't accept this for some reason.

What is Radfem?

Radical Feminist
You know, the ones that say all men are rapist, are pro-abortion, to the point where they would abort a baby for it being a boy, go into Churches and attack women under the assumption they're pro-life.

Then there are TERF, trans-exclusive radical feminist, who is a Radfem who thinks that men who get sex changes(trans women) do so so they can oppress women.

[Cykx]

remourleia

Cykx

remourleia

Radfem clearly don't want to accept the fact that they too are pervs. And Radfem can't accept this for some reason.

What is Radfem?

Radical Feminist
You know, the ones that say all men are rapist, are pro-abortion, to the point where they would abort a baby for it being a boy, go into Churches and attack women under the assumption they're pro-life.

Then there are TERF, trans-exclusive radical feminist, who is a Radfem who thinks that men who get sex changes(trans women) do so so they can oppress women.

Yo.. What the ********...

[Lucky~9~Lives]

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU

[sitting cow]

Cykx

sitting cow

Cykx

I just turned 18 this week. sweatdrop

why torture yourself thinking about sex with those people when you will never have a chance with them anyways?

It's not torture.. I don't kill myself over it because I know it will never happen.
It's just a fantasy, an image that automatically pops into my head.

an image that automatically pops into your head is an intrusive thought

a fantasy is something you have to work to think about and well...fantasize over

as long as it stays in your head...oh wait it won't because why do strips clubs and porn exist in the first place? guys keep going to them and supporting them and that's the only way for some women to make money

and you can see how it's doublely horrific because not only is there a proven wage gap and women are discriminated against for doing the same work as men, now women have to basically be raped for a paycheck