Feminism

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Given the past 9,999 years of human evolution away from hunter and gatherer societies, I'll give you some answers.

Women, in terms of being courted, prefer a chase due to the risk involving pregnancy and childbirth.

Women were forced into homes and reduced to objects so, in terms of biological instincts, they have a preference of being dominated -- which makes it even more complicated as our biological culture is out of sync with our current societal culture in America.

Women are in a social hierarchy from top to bottom, thus meaning that women will judge and put back in place lesser females who go out and away from societal norms.

Women were made to be crazy.

um. you're speaking as if women don't have minds of their own. just because they were forced (you said that yourself) doesn't mean that they enjoy it. "women prefer a chase?" wrong. most girls get very, very pissed off if a guy doesn't leave them the ******** alone after they say no. because, you know, no means no and back off means back off. it's not because they're afraid of pregnancy risks, it's because they're afraid of being verbally/sexually assaulted.

have you heard of a thing called personal preference? not everyone lies being dominated. there are women who like being the "dominant" one in a relationship, just the same as there are men who like being the "submissive" one. you literally just pointed out that women were "reduced to objects." bam. objectification.

last but certainly not least, every single person on the planet is guilty of being judgmental of other people. lots of people will put each other down for being different. remember racism? the crusades? the holocaust? yep. people are generally assholes even if they don't like to admit it.

look at me being judgmental right now, because you sir, came into a thread about learning about and explaining feminism for the sole purpose of... what, ignoring everything that has been said?

remourleia

When was your name every mentioned in my radfem comments?

it was not, but your comment appeared shortly after my posts, so i assumed. so like i said before, "i have yet to see any 'radfems' in this thread."

Radfem are just relevant overall to the topic of feminism. I mean, they're the ones everyone hates, right?

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remourleia

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remourleia

Apparently, because some women star in adult films, that means all women are objectified sexually.

Radfems, for some unknown reason, clearly don't know of the existence of gay porn.

They're like, "Men look up and down women, checking them out, like they're sex objects."

Ok. I guess men do this.

But so do woman. Every straight or bi woman does this. We check men out at clubs, and the gym, and the beach, and think of doing horrible things to male celebrities like Channing Tatum.

Radfem clearly don't want to accept the fact that they too are pervs.



Are women objectified in the media?
Of course they are. But so are men, so it's really not sexism causing this. It's just that everyone, men and women, are ******** disgusting. And Radfem can't accept this for some reason.

speak for yourself. i don't do that. i stare at people who look unique some beautiful, some ugly. and it's more than just staring. staring is actually hardly the problem at all. so i don't see why you think you're addressing any real issue here.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/social_issues-july-dec13-sexualization_12-21/

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In the 1960’s 11 percent of men and 44 percent of women on the covers were sexualized while in the 2000’s, 17 percent of men and 83 percent of women were sexualized. However, they concluded that women were much more likely to be “hypersexualized” — showing a combination of multiple sexualized attributes.

I am a woman.
I fantasize about men.
I watch commercials and pick out what men are sexy and what ones are gross.
I watch gay porn sometimes, because I like watching men be objectified like that.

i was being sarcastic when i said speak for yourself

Sorry, you're the odd one out here.
We had an off-topic class discussion on the sexiness of Shemar Moore last week, where all the girls were drooling about his sexy body and why he's the reason we watch Criminal Minds, while all the men(less the 1 gay) sat there uncomfortably.

100% of people in that class responded that way, huh? Because this sounds suspiciously like you ******** made it up.

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Senator Armstrong

remourleia

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remourleia

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speak for yourself. i don't do that. i stare at people who look unique some beautiful, some ugly. and it's more than just staring. staring is actually hardly the problem at all. so i don't see why you think you're addressing any real issue here.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/social_issues-july-dec13-sexualization_12-21/

I am a woman.
I fantasize about men.
I watch commercials and pick out what men are sexy and what ones are gross.
I watch gay porn sometimes, because I like watching men be objectified like that.

i was being sarcastic when i said speak for yourself

Sorry, you're the odd one out here.
We had an off-topic class discussion on the sexiness of Shemar Moore last week, where all the girls were drooling about his sexy body and why he's the reason we watch Criminal Minds, while all the men(less the 1 gay) sat there uncomfortably.

100% of people in that class responded that way, huh? Because this sounds suspiciously like you ******** made it up.

Pretty much.
Not making it up. We had this discussion in class.
Have you seen Shemar Moore? He is a gift from God to women.
Here's a pic, just in case.
Look at that perfect body. What straight/bi woman or gay/bi man wouldn't want a piece of this sex beast?

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remourleia

Women aren't discriminated by pay. There's laws in North America to prevent that.

there may be laws against it, but that doesn't mean that businesses still find a way around it. women are discriminated by pay in tons of occupations. female professors at one of my local colleges make far less money than male professors. just because there are laws doesn't mean everyone follows them.

remourleia

Radfem are just relevant overall to the topic of feminism. I mean, they're the ones everyone hates, right?

alright, they're relevant, sure. every group has its radicals.
man-haters who s**t on anyone that doesn't personally agree with abortion are, surprise surprise, not actually feminists at all because they don't pay attention to what the feminist movement is about. they're just irrational.

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remourleia

Women aren't discriminated by pay. There's laws in North America to prevent that.

there may be laws against it, but that doesn't mean that businesses still find a way around it. women are discriminated by pay in tons of occupations. female professors at one of my local colleges make far less money than male professors. just because there are laws doesn't mean everyone follows them.

remourleia

Radfem are just relevant overall to the topic of feminism. I mean, they're the ones everyone hates, right?

alright, they're relevant, sure. every group has its radicals.
man-haters who s**t on anyone that doesn't personally agree with abortion are, surprise surprise, not actually feminists at all because they don't pay attention to what the feminist movement is about. they're just irrational.

There are bad people everywhere. Feminism can never stop the fact that some people are bad. There will always be sexist folk, racist folk; but North American society as a whole has equal rights for women. And while your husband may beat you, that is individual sexism, and he will be punished under the law if reported, and will most likely take a beating from the other inmates at the penitentiary.
Also, seniority will determine your pay.
Because how women didn't start schooling in mass until about the 60s or 70s, most of the old people in these positions will be men.

But there are plenty of women in power.


Also, you seem like a radical, because you think you're being oppressed as a women by a society that, while guilty of many things, has really good gender equality laws.

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remourleia

Senator Armstrong

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remourleia

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speak for yourself. i don't do that. i stare at people who look unique some beautiful, some ugly. and it's more than just staring. staring is actually hardly the problem at all. so i don't see why you think you're addressing any real issue here.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/social_issues-july-dec13-sexualization_12-21/

I am a woman.
I fantasize about men.
I watch commercials and pick out what men are sexy and what ones are gross.
I watch gay porn sometimes, because I like watching men be objectified like that.

i was being sarcastic when i said speak for yourself

Sorry, you're the odd one out here.
We had an off-topic class discussion on the sexiness of Shemar Moore last week, where all the girls were drooling about his sexy body and why he's the reason we watch Criminal Minds, while all the men(less the 1 gay) sat there uncomfortably.

100% of people in that class responded that way, huh? Because this sounds suspiciously like you ******** made it up.

Pretty much.
Not making it up.

Gonna conclude this is stdh.txt

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it would be objectification because the guy was being used, the girl didn't care about his humanity, and he was thrown away when he wasn't needed anymore. we've been through this part of the discussion already. i'm done with it.

Not necessarily - so two people agreeing to a one-night stand, no strings attached, is objectification?

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remourleia

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remourleia

Women aren't discriminated by pay. There's laws in North America to prevent that.

there may be laws against it, but that doesn't mean that businesses still find a way around it. women are discriminated by pay in tons of occupations. female professors at one of my local colleges make far less money than male professors. just because there are laws doesn't mean everyone follows them.

remourleia

Radfem are just relevant overall to the topic of feminism. I mean, they're the ones everyone hates, right?

alright, they're relevant, sure. every group has its radicals.
man-haters who s**t on anyone that doesn't personally agree with abortion are, surprise surprise, not actually feminists at all because they don't pay attention to what the feminist movement is about. they're just irrational.

There are bad people everywhere. Feminism can never stop the fact that some people are bad. There will always be sexist folk, racist folk; but North American society as a whole has equal rights for women. And while your husband may beat you, that is individual sexism, and he will be punished under the law if reported, and will most likely take a beating from the other inmates at the penitentiary.
Also, seniority will determine your pay.
Because how women didn't start schooling in mass until about the 60s or 70s, most of the old people in these positions will be men.

But there are plenty of women in power.


Also, you seem like a radical, because you think you're being oppressed as a women by a society that, while guilty of many things, has really good gender equality laws.

Laws don't mean anything if they're not enforced.

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remourleia

There are bad people everywhere. Feminism can never stop the fact that some people are bad. There will always be sexist folk, racist folk; but North American society as a whole has equal rights for women. And while your husband may beat you, that is individual sexism, and he will be punished under the law if reported, and will most likely take a beating from the other inmates at the penitentiary.
Also, seniority will determine your pay.
Because how women didn't start schooling in mass until about the 60s or 70s, most of the old people in these positions will be men.

But there are plenty of women in power.


Also, you seem like a radical, because you think you're being oppressed as a women by a society that, while guilty of many things, has really good gender equality laws.

you're blatantly ignoring the fact that in lots of cases where a man and woman have the exact same job for an equal/similar amount of time, the woman is still paid less. you can find tons of stories about it just through Google. and i'm well aware that there are bad people everywhere and not everyone will be willing to improve. thanks. also what's up with the random hypothetical abuse statement? i mean sure, that happens sometimes, but like. not part of the big picture, yknow?

if i was a radical i would definitely not be this calm in my responses, and probably would have all-caps'd at OP and tons of other people over multiple posts they've made. have i really said anything "radical" at all? i've been trying to kindly explain feminism to the people in this thread. the US has gender equality laws, but that does not mean that all of them are followed all the time. there's still injustice and you are outright ignoring that. just because there are some women in big executive positions who make lots of money doesn't mean that everyone has a nice equal fair life. so there are women in power - good for them, i'm really happy for them, and they must have worked their asses off to get there! but yknow. there's still discrimination that you're not paying attention to.

Lucky~9~Lives

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it would be objectification because the guy was being used, the girl didn't care about his humanity, and he was thrown away when he wasn't needed anymore. we've been through this part of the discussion already. i'm done with it.

Not necessarily - so two people agreeing to a one-night stand, no strings attached, is objectification?

missing the point, taking it out of context, still done with this

Fake Geek Gamer Girl

Laws don't mean anything if they're not enforced.

bam, nailed it.

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it would be objectification because the guy was being used, the girl didn't care about his humanity, and he was thrown away when he wasn't needed anymore. we've been through this part of the discussion already. i'm done with it.

Not necessarily - so two people agreeing to a one-night stand, no strings attached, is objectification?

missing the point, taking it out of context, still done with this

How does missing the point and taking it out of context make it objectification?

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Lucky~9~Lives

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it would be objectification because the guy was being used, the girl didn't care about his humanity, and he was thrown away when he wasn't needed anymore. we've been through this part of the discussion already. i'm done with it.

Not necessarily - so two people agreeing to a one-night stand, no strings attached, is objectification?

missing the point, taking it out of context, still done with this

How does missing the point and taking it out of context make it objectification?

i was saying you were missing the point and taking it out of context.

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it would be objectification because the guy was being used, the girl didn't care about his humanity, and he was thrown away when he wasn't needed anymore. we've been through this part of the discussion already. i'm done with it.

Not necessarily - so two people agreeing to a one-night stand, no strings attached, is objectification?

missing the point, taking it out of context, still done with this

How does missing the point and taking it out of context make it objectification?

i was saying you were missing the point and taking it out of context.

Yes, but how so?

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remourleia

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remourleia

Women aren't discriminated by pay. There's laws in North America to prevent that.

there may be laws against it, but that doesn't mean that businesses still find a way around it. women are discriminated by pay in tons of occupations. female professors at one of my local colleges make far less money than male professors. just because there are laws doesn't mean everyone follows them.

remourleia

Radfem are just relevant overall to the topic of feminism. I mean, they're the ones everyone hates, right?

alright, they're relevant, sure. every group has its radicals.
man-haters who s**t on anyone that doesn't personally agree with abortion are, surprise surprise, not actually feminists at all because they don't pay attention to what the feminist movement is about. they're just irrational.

There are bad people everywhere. Feminism can never stop the fact that some people are bad. There will always be sexist folk, racist folk; but North American society as a whole has equal rights for women. And while your husband may beat you, that is individual sexism, and he will be punished under the law if reported, and will most likely take a beating from the other inmates at the penitentiary.
Also, seniority will determine your pay.
Because how women didn't start schooling in mass until about the 60s or 70s, most of the old people in these positions will be men.

But there are plenty of women in power.


Also, you seem like a radical, because you think you're being oppressed as a women by a society that, while guilty of many things, has really good gender equality laws.

Laws don't mean anything if they're not enforced.

What a useless statement.

Jeez, what a dickhead.

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remourleia

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remourleia

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Cykx

It's not torture.. I don't kill myself over it because I know it will never happen.
It's just a fantasy, an image that automatically pops into my head.

an image that automatically pops into your head is an intrusive thought

a fantasy is something you have to work to think about and well...fantasize over

as long as it stays in your head...oh wait it won't because why do strips clubs and porn exist in the first place? guys keep going to them and supporting them and that's the only way for some women to make money

and you can see how it's doublely horrific because not only is there a proven wage gap and women are discriminated against for doing the same work as men, now women have to basically be raped for a paycheck

No one says women have to be strippers. Some women choose to be strippers. There are plenty of other s**t jobs to work, you know. You could work at McDonald's, or a hotel maid, and all that s**t.

Some women don't care. Some women like sex. . .a lot. I am not one of those women, but there are some who don't mind stripping or enjoy stripping. No one makes women be strippers. There is no law that says women have to become strippers.

And women watch porn. There's gay porn, you know, and a lot of women watch that.

Then there is chick-porn aka erotic literature, which are novels, usually written by women, that describe sexy men and their dicks in great detail.

i already said in my other post how women are still discriminated against for doing the same work as men. thus they don't have as many options and end up doing jobs such as being a stripper because of that.

also: http://www.salon.com/2013/09/30/fired_for_doing_porn_the_new_employment_discrimination/

your argument is so bad, it would be like if i said black people chose to be slaves 200 yrs ago.

you are ignoring all of the socialization and environmental factors that goes into the "choices" people make.

>Some women don't care. Some women like sex. . .a lot.

well it's a good thing stripping isn't sex, otherwise you may have some sort of a valid point

Where do you live? India?

Women aren't discriminated by pay. There's laws in North America to prevent that.

You, for some unknown reason, hate women who are comfortable enough with their bodies to strip for men.
There are other shitty jobs to pay the bills. No one has to be a stripper. That is a choice.
I work a s**t job, and have pills to pay. Could I make more as a stripper? Maybe a little. Am I comfortable enough with my body to do that? No, I'm not, so I'll continue to flip burgers until I find a decent job.

Your point about black people is irrelevant. White Americans went to Africa and bought/kidnapped people(black people), and brought them back to America as slaves. It is a slave-trade, because you are trading goods for people as your slaves.

Being a stripper is not the same. Stripclub owners aren't going around the countryside buying men's daughters to put them into sex trade. This does happen sometimes, but not really in North America, and when it does happen, the people running the sex-trade are punished heavily, as this is extremely illegal.

Why is it so hard for you to believe that some people don't mind working in the adult entertainment industry?

You should go watch Webdreams. It's a low-budget Canadian reality show from the zeros about adult film stars and their lives/careers. And half the stars in it are men.

sexism in the workforce has been proven to exist. as in all the factors were controlled for except gender and men still are more likely to get jobs and better pay.

i posted 2 studies itt.

that makes the rest of your mindless ramblings irrelevant.

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remourleia

Women aren't discriminated by pay. There's laws in North America to prevent that.

there may be laws against it, but that doesn't mean that businesses still find a way around it. women are discriminated by pay in tons of occupations. female professors at one of my local colleges make far less money than male professors. just because there are laws doesn't mean everyone follows them.

remourleia

Radfem are just relevant overall to the topic of feminism. I mean, they're the ones everyone hates, right?

alright, they're relevant, sure. every group has its radicals.
man-haters who s**t on anyone that doesn't personally agree with abortion are, surprise surprise, not actually feminists at all because they don't pay attention to what the feminist movement is about. they're just irrational.

you'd probably like to see this: http://amptoons.com/blog/2010/11/26/how-the-consad-report-on-the-wage-gap-masks-sexism-instead-of-measuring-it/

there's a lot of other blog posts about it too, if you look in the related section