Luc Zeal
My original title to this thread literally was a question regarding if they were or not, and people threw a fit about that, so i changed it... That question was derrived from the fact that I have been refused in the past on several occasions due to my high demands of upkeep.
You mean this question: Do woman care nothing other than themselves?
Because this is exactly what I've been saying. You're assuming that because someone does not want to date you that she is selfish and cares only about herself. The fact that a woman doesn't want to date you does not mean that she is uncaring and materialistic and you have yet to give me any reason as to why I should believe this. Your whole answer to my question does not answer my question in the slightest.
How are they uncaring and materialistic simply because they do not want to date YOU. And even assuming that the reason you've given for being turned down "on several occasions" (what is that? four? five? I don't think that's really enough to make the broad generalizing sweeps you did) is true, that doesn't necessarily make them uncaring or materialistic. Actually, materialism has absolutely nothing to do with it, so you're going to need a different excuse for that one.
You expect a woman to become saddled to you for the rest of her life (or your life) and when she doesn't want to be forced into sticking around with you forever, you claim that's selfish of her. What about you? Do you not see the selfishness in your request? Of course, I already know you don't since you have on at least two occasions claimed that you are selfless.
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At that point it isn't a view (which i've been trying to explain to people), but an ongoing experience.
Based on an unrealistic expectation and faulty conclusions. You expect a caring woman to act in a certain manner and when that woman does not act in the manner you have delineated as caring, you deem her selfish.
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I have not let that get in the way though, and have continued to try to be respectful and considerate to people.
Mhm. It's so considerate of you to make a post complaining about all these selfish women in your life. Great job.
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My inside concerns about society don't often reflect how I actually go about treating people. I treat people as an individual as they come, because i want people to do the same for me. I'm anti-label and generalizing (even though people can't seem to see that either).
"If I was to go off shear [sic] personal experience though, I would easily claim that it did cover 100% of girls."
Uhuh, you were saying? This right here is you NOT treating people as individuals.
Riiiight, this thread.
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No. This thread is not proof that girls are uncaring and selfish. This thread is proof that when someone decides to insult the majority of women that people aren't just going to sit back and let that happen.
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In my original OP, i think i mentioned that rather than girls bothering to see what's up, they give me opposition.
Are you talking about this?
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if you so much as question it, rather than them trying to prove otherwise by means of.. you know..
showing that they infact do care.. They just attack or claim self defensive aggression.
Because that's a load of s**t. You assume that a woman should be all "Oh, you think I'm selfish and uncaring and materialistic and that I only care about myself? Well, to prove that I'm not I'm going to be really nice to you and show you what an awesome person I am."
Of course, she'll get mad at you if you claim s**t like that. That doens't prove that she isn't a caring person; it proves that you are an entitled p***k for assuming that she shouldn't get angry.
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The fact that so many of them in this thread have thrown blame and labels as strongly as they have proves my point. There are probably just as many other girls that haven't though, and even one person actually PMd me positively.
So it doesn't prove your point.
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And there's nothing wrong with us not wanting some entitled guy to say that women are being selfish because they don't want to take care of him.
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Guys have done the same, yes, but not so extensively.
You are insulting women, not men, so yes, you are bound to get women who are going to be a little more vocal about it. Again, this proves nothing.
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So it's certainly not gender-oriented, but typically my experiences dictate that guys are all over the map ranging from kind to torturing. I know girl's are the same, but it's not as often i meet a girl that bothers to actually take a look at me.
Maybe because you are only looking for a romantic relationship. Obviously. You assume the problem is the women, but as far as I can tell, it's you.
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I understand that i came off as attacking women, so it's natural for their first reactions to be "excuse me?" But regardless of how much i have attempted to correct my ill-projection, they refuse to accept that anything other than my first impression to them was true.
Because you're still saying the same things, maybe? It really doesn't matter how much you claim that you aren't labeling ALL women, you are still calling women who do not cater to your needs selfish and materialistic.
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Except the problem is that those guys have been bi/gay, and only wanted to take care of me for a romantic relationship. If they were in it just for being there for me, i wouldn't have a problem with that, but they wanted more than i could give them myself. And while I don't disagree with them wanting that romanticship, I felt like I could not give them the love they wanted in return. It simply would not work out.
So, what you're saying is that they were being selfish. All these men that you claimed were caring because they are throwing themselves at your feet and offered to take care of you really WEREN'T being caring because they simply wanted to sleep with you.
Okay, thanks for clearing that one up. Where is your point now exactly?
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Yep. Based on their own words. I have literally been told by some girls that they want someone who can support them. If that's not following them and considering their views, then I don't know what is.
Oh, wow. People
want things? Like the way you want a girlfriend to take care of you? How does a girl saying that she wants to be taken care of make her uncaring and materialistic, but you demanding someone you are attracted to to take care of you totes
not selfish?
You have literally claimed that a woman who doesn't want to take care of you is selfish and materialistic (without even backing up that claim), so I'm pretty sure I know you enough to know that you are an entitled p***k who expects that a woman should take care of him.
And did it ever even occur to you that maybe these girls have some sort of disability that requires someone to take care of them just like you? Or that they've been raised in a society that tells women they are weak and need a big, strong man to take care of them, so they just don't know any better?
Wanting to have someone support you throughout life doesn't make you selfish. It's natural to want an easy life without struggle. What
is selfish is trying to initiate a romantic relationship with someone when you know that you will be forcing that person into a tough position. You want a girlfriend even though you know your life is hard and (supposedly) that this woman would have to deal with that burden right along with you.
So, seriously. Stop this whole "I'm so selfless so why aren't women climbing into bed with me." It's just gross.
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I am well aware that not every woman is like that... Very well aware, and i have said that time and time again in this thread, and people continue to hold onto the understanding that i've said otherwise.
I'll quote something from my original response to you:
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your claim is that all the girls you've ever met have not cared about you and thus they are selfish, uncaring, emotional, materialistic wenches. You try to claim that since you are only basing this conclusion on your personal view that you can't possibly think that all women are like this.
Except it really doesn't work like that. I don't need to know you to understand that whether or not you consciously realize it that you do, indeed, view at least the majority of women in this manner. Now, how can I assume this? Well, first, the very fact that you just HAD to add in the whole "if I was basing this completely off personal experience, I would sure as hell say that all women are totes depraved" shows a line of thinking that leads right on to "women are totes depraved."
Second, you immediately jump from "womenz don't like me" to "so they must be selfish little brats." This shows a problem with your thinking. No one is required to like you, so you have no right to claim that they're selfish.
As someone else mentioned, you have unreasonable expectations about women. The very fact that you're discouraged because women aren't treating you the way you think they should is abundant proof of this.
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