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apocalypticangel
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Heretical Ideals?
The Gospel of Judas.

The gospel in question is a Coptic (Egyptian) script, which should not be confused with the Nag Hammadi codices. Allthough the Gospel itself is a blatantly Gnostic text, and was presumably discovered in a similar region, this script is a seperate entity in its own right.

This text, in its barely surviving condition, is the only Gospel atributed to the infamous Judas Iscariot. I should also mention that the head translater of this long lost scroll is, Rodolphe Kasser. He is the athority on Coptic translation. There are a handful of people in the world who can fluently read and speak the language of ancient times, and he is one of those people.

It seems that the translated text has been divided into large sections. This may be due to both missing fragments of the papyrus and the fact that translation may not be complete. I have divided my evaluation of the text into the same sections.

The Earthly Ministry of Jesus.

I have found this to be a very summarized parallel of Mark 4. It has been stated that in Gnostic text Yeshua has often been seen to appear in different forms. In this fragment we see Yeshua appearing as a child. If I am to assume this passage is in fact a parallel of him explaining the parables then it is possible that the author was impling a childlike quality. Unfortunately, the fragment is too small and vague to decipher its true meaning.

The Prayer of the eucharist.

I currently have not found any reason to assume that this is the Passover or Last Supper as has been sugested by the translaters. Perhaps this is a different story alltogether? The Apostles converse with Yeshua in a very foriegn manner and there is no mention of Yeshuas' impeding death.

Of course the story becomes very Gnostic, from an early point. When the Apostles start a common prayer Yeshua begins laughing. This is a prime example of where the Orthodox and Gnostic ideaologies differ.

The Spirit and The Self-Generated

  • I find it interesting that Yeshua uses the word angel quite liberally through out. I have always defined angel by it's literal meaning: messenger.
  • I have come to the conclusion that the 'spirit' is a reference to the father, 'the one who will not be named'.
  • The "luminous cloud" could be an allusion to the cosmos. I cna't really say at this point.
  • The "Self-Generated" (autogenes) is used differently through out texts. In this gospel the author seems to be using the word to desribe the aeon or realm of Barbelos. Interesting however; is the use of the word angel here. Is he claiming the Self-Generated to be a messenger?
  • It is obvious that Yeshua in this section is explaining the creation of the emanations, which, not so ironicaly happens to resemble Greek and Babylonian creation concepts.


To be continued...





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apocalypticangel
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comment Commented on: Wed Sep 27, 2006 @ 08:54pm
I'm an idiot. It seems that I have all but ignored the introduction where the author proclaims, "revelation that Jesus spoke in conversation with Judas during a week three days before passover." I should be looking for parallels in the latter portion of the canonical gospels and the early pashion naratives.

I will edit the mistakes made by my intial assumptions as I draw more thorough conclusions.


comment Commented on: Wed Sep 27, 2006 @ 10:11pm
Well, I''ve only read the first two pages and the whole time I was just like, o_o .
It was...different...to say the least...
Quite...interesting...
*still is like o_o *



Sound Doxa
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Sound Doxa
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comment Commented on: Wed Sep 27, 2006 @ 10:37pm
Okay, now I've read the whole thing, and none of it made any sense to me whatsoever.
It was pretty hard for me to read it, and the [...],[-about two and half lines missing-] and [-about six and a half lines missing-] did not make it any easier.
It just didn't flow.
I couldn't get the gist of it, really I couldn't understand any of it.
It all just flew over my head.
It's has Jesus going "How do you know me?" then the disciples, who previously were calling him master and so of God, got pissed at him, then Jesus never answered Judas' question, then Jesus left and came back to the disciples after going to a holy generation that wasn't seen by that generation, and then there's this weird thing where they had a dream about the temple, and while I was reading that part I couldn't help but just think,"WTF?" in my mind, and then it sorta seemed to me like Jesus said everyone would go to heaven, but he said this after he talked about how it was "impossible to sow seed on rock and harvet its fruit", then Judas has a vision about a house which he can't enter, then it goes from there back to him maybe being the "seed" and Judas was cursed, and then it was the cosmology part, and during that part Jesus talked about an "enlighten divine Self-Generated" and that part was just really weird and I couldn't understand it, and then Jesus talked some more about the "luminous clouds", and then one of the angels created Adam and Eve in a cloud and then Jesus talks about Michael loaing out spirits to people, and then Jesus laughed at the error of the stars, and then Judas entered a cloud and he betrayed Jesus.

I'm SOOOO confused.


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