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Erasmas
Simple. How many girls do you know who have had an abortion? Out of those girls, how many of them were raped or had the condom and birth control fail? There's your proof.
What proof? People can have their birth control fail all the time, I know two of them myself. I also know a rape victim. All three of these people aborted. In fact, the only one who didn't abort was a girl who WANTED a baby and did NOT, in fact, use protection. Your evidence is based on personal observation, not fact. Statistics, my friend, statistics.
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I guarantee no one here knows a lot of girls who have had abortions AND they were, for the most part, raped or doing it because the birth control failed.
*waves hand* Yo.
I think that's all that need be said, no? All aboard the Failboat.
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Most girls get abortions because they aren't ready to have kids. Not that that is a bad thing...you can be too young to have kids. But then...be too young to not lay up with some dude in the first place!!!
One, I believe my evidence already counters your baseless statements more than adequately - your argument is null. Even if I didn't have my proof, neither do you, and in the ED, burden of proof is on the argument against - besides, even if it wasn't the OP has links to legitimate statistics. You? Do not.
Besides, take a gander an teenagers who HAVE their babies - they're either totally reliant on their parents, getting government and charity support, or below the poverty line. I likes me my life, thank you - I'd rather a protohuman fetus dies painlessly than me, slowly and painfully. Besides, I'm the one with the legal rights.
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I don't know why you have to be 32 with a college degree and a lot of money and married to have a kid, but you can be just as young and dumb and naive and misinformed as you want and still be allowed to have sex.
Age =/= knowledge, as you can see quite clearly from many, many people in the world today. The old myth of magically becoming responsible, stable and knowledgeable as soon as your degree is handed to you has been shot to pieces time and again - age often has nothing to do with it.
The inverse of that statement also applies - just because you aren't of legal drinking age does not make you a gullible moron. I'm 16, and I probably know more about sex (go go Bio AP student!) and protection methods than you do, easily, as does my partner. Same with all the above cases I mentioned - the abortions and willing-birth girl both. Oh, and to support the quality of life comment, the one who willingly had her kid is totally reliant on her family to raise it, even with both her and her fiance both there - they have no way to live on their own.
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I know you can't physically stop someone from having sex, but you can encourage it.
Unlikely to work. Quite frankly, it feels too good to let slide and pretty much everyone over the age of 14 knows it - it's only a matter of time for most of them. Fact is, it ain't gonna work and you should damn well figure that out - all you can do is condemn the act, and that won't stop kids or anyone else from doing it. Foaming at the mouth will only make them do it to spite you anyway. Maybe telling people not to do fun, exciting, pleasurable things isn't much of a barricade?
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And you can discourage it by making abortions, for most people, unlawful.
Kay, since Oni raised a brilliant point here, I'm just going to quote it and leave it at that - it's more or less what I was going to respond with anyway.
Oni no Tenshi
Not really. You can make people afraid of pregnancy, and even more afraid of birth control and then still have sex. This is what happened during the 50's and 60's.
"Why use a condom when they fail all the time" is being taught as part of "abstinence only" education. This means that more people are not using birth control because it "doesn't work" but are still having the sex.
Which means that Pro-Lifers are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the rise in unwanted pregnancies.
"Why use a condom when they fail all the time" is being taught as part of "abstinence only" education. This means that more people are not using birth control because it "doesn't work" but are still having the sex.
Which means that Pro-Lifers are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the rise in unwanted pregnancies.
Very similar to the argument - if you hate gay people, blame the straights. They're the ones who keep making gay babies. Gotta love how the anti sides are only making everything worse for themselves through their ignorance, eh?
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Excuses, excuses. It's funny how many of you girls who are pro-choice ALSO never want to have kids. I've seen four girls say that now. Interesting.
Weird, eh, how they're arguing for the right to their own uteruses because they don't want to be forced to have things they don't want? It's almost as though they want the right to their own bodies! Imagine!
Also, if you're truly, honestly concerned for the lives of these babies, you won't force them into the arms of those who cannot legitimately care for them. Your 32-year old with a degree would probably be a stable, functional parent. A 16-year old you force to have a baby? That won't work at all. It'll be a horrible environment to live in, assuming the baby even makes it past about the age of two. At best. Think of the kids, now - would you rather they live and die in prolonged misery, or never have to experience that life in the first place?
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Also, I'm not ignorant, I'm realistic. Most girls who don't want kids don't sleep around and try their chances.
Again, Oni already said it, probably more brutally than I would have, so I'm afraid I leave it to her words again. Hey, what can I say? She's good.
Oni no Tenshi
But guys can sleep around because they can't get pregnant?
******** that. ******** that with a rake.
You completely ignore the fact that women don't reproduce through parthenogenesis (ie: all by themselves). There was a p***s, with sperm, that shot into them that made them pregnant. And yet "girls have to deal with the consequences" while men get off scott free?
You ignore socio-economic class and racial factors. You ignore the bass-akwards sex-education that people get indoctrinated with. You ignore the man getting the woman pregnant. You ignore the money it takes to raise and the emotional/psychological needs of a growing child. You ignore all of this except for the "bad sluts should be punished with pregnancy because I get ickled by the idea of abortion".
******** that. ******** that with a rake.
You completely ignore the fact that women don't reproduce through parthenogenesis (ie: all by themselves). There was a p***s, with sperm, that shot into them that made them pregnant. And yet "girls have to deal with the consequences" while men get off scott free?
You ignore socio-economic class and racial factors. You ignore the bass-akwards sex-education that people get indoctrinated with. You ignore the man getting the woman pregnant. You ignore the money it takes to raise and the emotional/psychological needs of a growing child. You ignore all of this except for the "bad sluts should be punished with pregnancy because I get ickled by the idea of abortion".
Yeah, that's probably about as awesome as I possibly could have hoped for. Congratulations, Oni, you win the Pwnage Award for Brutally Effective Wording.
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I'm sorry, but you are the decisions you make. Women need to stop acting as if they can exonerate themselves from that fact.
And males can keep going with it? Because they don't bear it, they often disappear as soon as it becomes an issue, never to be seen again. Believe me, I know a couple girls whose "boyfriends" just poofed out of existence, or tried to. And you would dare implicate that the women are more likely to exonerate themselves? Come on, now, surely you must realize and admit as readily as I (well, assuming you're as secure in yourself as I am, because if you are, you won't have a problem admitting to the flaws of our gender) that males are often the worse of the two in that regard. Surely you must have this figured out.
*blushes*
Oh yeah! Brutal imagery for the win!!
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