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 Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:10 pm
Please read all of this post before responding!
I want to make an Anti-Prommies Guild. Now, I'm sure most of you are like, "Oh gawd," right now, but hear me out.
It occurred to me when I started the "Artists On Gaia" thread that with all the time I've spent on Gaia since I joined in Aug 2004, I've never had a place that I felt I truly belonged to. This place is the closest, but it doesn't quite have the feel I'm looking for. I started out mostly posting in the GD and ED which pretty much got me no where as so few people on Gaia actually know how to debate. Debating isn't about an objective fact that is right or wrong and rubbing the answer in someone else's face; it's about sharing ideas to enlighten one another and NOT flaming someone else because you're too stupid to know what they're talking about. Nothing is objective, and I'm sick of all the idiot prommies on Gaia. I'm sick of the prommies in ED who think they can debate, I'm sick of the prommies in GCN whoring themselves out for attention, I'm sick of damn lobbiers, regs, and prommies making Gaia into a popularity contest and their "holier than thou" opinion. I'm sick of them ruining it for everybody else. At the same time, I'm sick of dumbass n00bs or people too obsessed with getting 1337 items to relate to me. I am not a n00b; I'm just really good at being a loser.
The Anti-Prommies Guild will be about people too smart for Gaia. I can't tell you how many times I've said something in perfect English, and it always flies over someone's head or they completely misunderstand me, no matter what forum I'm posting in. It happens everywhere on Gaia but this guild. The Anti-Prommies Guild will be about people who think outside the box, people who are for what they believe for the right reasons--spiritually, rationally, and logically. An anti-prommie is not a non-prommie. It's someone who hates everything Gaia's become but enjoys the aspect of meeting people and having fun with their pixels, not people get panic attacks in because your market items aren't selling fast enough or people who surround their entire lives around getting 'major' pixels. An anti-prommie is someone who likes the idea of Gaia but doesn't fit in anywhere. An anti-prommie is someone who can understand another person they disagree with without flaming them or assuming the other person is wrong just because they're less informed on a topic. The Anti-Prommies Guild will be a mix of ED with anti-GCN aspects. It's not going to be a bunch of n00bs who aren't popular bitching about how unpopular they are. It's a stand against the hypocrisy, competition, and overall bullshit that fills the forums of Gaia day in and day out.
I'll give you an example of what I mean by people who think outside the box: I'm pro-choice. Now I don't know if everyone in this guild is, but if you aren't, that's totally cool. Anyway, what is the abortion debate? It's largely about whether the fetus is a life/sentient/human being, whatever, right? Well my argument against abortion has always been: being pregnant and birthing a child is an extraordinarily psychological experience. It's painful, tragic, beautiful, and above all, emotional because you make the life both physically and mentally. My question when it comes to abortion is: is it moral to force that experience on a woman who doesn't want her child? Because enduring that when you don't want to be a mother, I can imagine, would be hell. I mentioned that in the abortion topic in ED a couple times.... Responses: nothing. Why? Because it's easier to argue a fetus isn't sentient up to a certain point because that's a fact. No one wants to truly intellectually debate. I'm looking for thoughts on more than just the black and white level, and that's what this guild is gonna be about--the outcasts, those who don't fit into Gaia because they don't think within the norm, the true idealists.
So, what do you guys think? I'd love all of you to join if I decide to create this guild. I'll probably make it hidden. But there are tons of prommie guilds out there, some for prommies and some for specific little clicks. Why not a guild to shoot them a '******** you'? This guild will be a joke, will be serious, will be satire, with be rebellious, and if infamous enough, truly notorious. I rarely see intellectual comedy or debates on the Internet, let alone on Gaia, and I think it's about time we changed that. Any suggestions, criticism, whatever, feel free to post away. I want honest to gawd opinions.
EDIT: A big issue I'm having is if the guild should be advertised in the guild forum or anywhere else, as advertising seems like it might be against the guild's ideals. It's not about, "Look at me," so I'm debating whether I should or not. However, a friend told me that the wording is very important and shows that I'm not out for post whores and n00bs. What are you thoughts on advertising the guild if it gets made?
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:27 pm
As an ad writer, the best advice I can give you is to state what you're about, make sure you're consistent with your message and make sure that the people you let in are people you WANT to join. When you Cap'n' a guild, you take everything about it, good and bad and make it the best guild it can be.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:36 pm
I agree. But unfortunately your guild isn't going to get much respect as a result of the gut reaction you warned us against at the beginning of this thread. As a result You aren't going to get many members either, or at least not many well qualified members.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:29 pm
To be honest, I don't really care. This guild isn't about popularity or number of members. Now I understand you need a certain number of active members for the guild to function, but I'm not expecting it to flourish with activity. You have to remember that this is Gaia, and that's the joke. There'll be an informational outline on the guild home page that will go something along the lines of: Quote: The Anti-Prommie Guild & its members:An anti-prommie is one who hates Gaia and its snooty members but does not leave due the enjoyable aspects of decorative avatars and public forums.
Anti-prommies are not non-prommies; they're good at being unpopular. Anti-prommies don't fit into Gaia because they're misunderstood, not because they're n00bs or lack charisma.
This is a serious guild not meant to be taken seriously. In summary, this guild is for those of us who don't fit in anywhere else on Gaia. Have you ever noticed how most Gaians like to argue the black and white issues and tend to flame those who bring in the levels of gray? Have you ever noticed an intelligent person who's post was either ignored or completely misunderstood, no matter what forum the post was in? Were you that person? Ever thought how ridiculous it is for someone to throw away all dignity just for a little Internet fame? Anti-prommies like community and pixels but hate Gaia and take its dramaz with a grain of salt. We're not attention seekers, we're not 'royalty', we don't have a fanbase, and that's just fine. We're too smart, too witty, and too cynical for the rest of Gaia. And it has never felt so good. If you're disgusted with the true face of the Internet and believe you fit the definition of what an anti-prommie is, feel free to request to join. Does that clarify things a bit? This isn't meant to be some hierarchy exclusive to the super-intelligent members of Gaia. The only point behind choosing who joins is to prevent n00bs that are pissed just because they're not popular from joining. This guild is for people who don't really fit in online because you have to admit it, most people are idiots. It's for people who can laugh about how overrated the Internet is, appreciate jokes about it, and/or those who are frustrated with it that want a place they can debate serious topics with people who know how to debate, i.e. sharing ideas, not "I'm right, you're wrong." The guild will be hidden and only open for those that wish to join. It won't be advertised, but it will be promoted. The point isn't to rub our cause in people's faces for the purpose of "getting back at prommies". Will you guys honestly support this guild? I'm not going for some mainstream guild or war against the prommies. If it's get negative criticism, I don't really care. Truth be told, I'll probably embellish and support most of the rumors that hit the guild. Best case scenario is the guild becoming notorious, but it's not something I expect to be a huge success. It's just a place where people can debate serious topics nonchalantly, laugh about stupid nonsensical s**t, and make fun of Gaia and it's obsessive members. Honest opinions? Have I clarified some things?
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:36 pm
If you want to create a guild, you should also make sure that enough people will want to join and keep it up. Otherwise, it will do what a lot of guilds do and bomb completely because it's the last one on the list.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:43 pm
[Sha] If you want to create a guild, you should also make sure that enough people will want to join and keep it up. Otherwise, it will do what a lot of guilds do and bomb completely because it's the last one on the list. That's why I'm asking if the members of this guild will join and give their support. I'll do my best to keep it active and post. 3nodding EDIT: Ok, I think the purpose of this thread must be very unclear. I've managed three forums in my life, so I have an idea of what to do for this guild. I just want to know if you, the members of the IPG, would join and give your support. I honestly don't really care if the guild flops. 20K isn't that much, but if I won't start the guild unless I know people are willing to join. So please, when responding, don't just give me general advice. Tell me how you personally react to the guild, its ideals, and if you would join.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:52 pm
Spicey Cognac [Sha] If you want to create a guild, you should also make sure that enough people will want to join and keep it up. Otherwise, it will do what a lot of guilds do and bomb completely because it's the last one on the list. That's why I'm asking if the members of this guild will join and give their support. I'll do my best to keep it active and post. 3nodding I'll do my best, but as I've said before, I'm more of a schmexy pervert than a smartypants. I like being intellectual, but it's hard to navigate all the guilds I've been part of. I have Essence of ED and other such guilds, all created to serve a purpose of allowing people to "escape from the inanity of the idiots" and yet, they eventually stagnated and died. So, I would support you, yes, but I'm also hesitant to tell you it's worth it due to the track records of other such guilds created for and by ED regulars who are still regulars, but stopped posting in their guilds months ago. I hate being Mz Naysayer, but it is something to be cautious about.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:07 pm
[Sha] Spicey Cognac [Sha] If you want to create a guild, you should also make sure that enough people will want to join and keep it up. Otherwise, it will do what a lot of guilds do and bomb completely because it's the last one on the list. That's why I'm asking if the members of this guild will join and give their support. I'll do my best to keep it active and post. 3nodding I'll do my best, but as I've said before, I'm more of a schmexy pervert than a smartypants. I like being intellectual, but it's hard to navigate all the guilds I've been part of. I have Essence of ED and other such guilds, all created to serve a purpose of allowing people to "escape from the inanity of the idiots" and yet, they eventually stagnated and died. So, I would support you, yes, but I'm also hesitant to tell you it's worth it due to the track records of other such guilds created for and by ED regulars who are still regulars, but stopped posting in their guilds months ago. I hate being Mz Naysayer, but it is something to be cautious about. I agree, and I really appreciate that advice, Sha. smile I'm definitely going to do a little research and 'promotion' before I run off shouting, "Oh, I'ma gonna get mah a guild tadayah!" I suppose I wonder if this guild could end up following the same track as The Dead Guild which is one reason I have hope. Here you have a guild dedicated to inactivity, and that aspect really draws people in somehow! xd The foundation(s) a guild/forum is laid upon is what determines the future of that guild, so I want to make sure that besides the passion I'm going to put into the guild's creation, I want to see if people would actually support it. It's food for thought. Thanks again for your awesome advice.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:18 am
Well if you do decide I'd be happy to give you my support.
It's not as though my time is at a premium over the summer anyways.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:24 am
Ok, let me start by saying that you have my support, and, if needed, my donation.
To be honest, I agree with most of what was said in the thread, and I do believe it's about time that people started to appreciate Intellectual comedy and the discussion of both ideas and facts, not just one or the other. People need to balance out their lives here, it's not about the pixels, it's about having fun with other people, hence the term "Community". If I wanted to have fun with pixels, I'd stick to playing Street Fighter.
About the advertisement, I'm thinking you should just post in the advertisement forum and just supervise it. Post exactly what you did here, it seems clear enough to me. I might even have some friends interested in joining. Don't go overboard with advertisement, but don't do too litte, as it might seem exclusive, and that's exactly the opposite of the Guild's idea. Maybe a sig, one ad and that's it. If you have an idea for a Front Page Image, we can do one for yah. At least, I volunteer, though I'd like to see some Sha Artz. mrgreen
As soon as I get a scanner, I'll post everything I haven't, and re-post everything I have. Now, back to the subject.
You have my support, but you have to understand that our type of people (Anti-Prommies) aren't much of a thread-making lot, they're too busy trying to improve on existing threads. You'll have to take that into account as well.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:06 pm
Thank you very much, Vyce. Your support and kind offer is greatly appreciated and uplifting. After much consideration, I have decided that I will start the guild, however I'm too preoccupied with Otakon preparation to have the time right now, so it'll probably be another two weeks before it gets going. I agree that an informative thread in Gaia's guild section would be appropriate promotion. It'll be encouraging but clear in whom the guild is suited for. On a side note, I already have a vice captain in mind, and if anyone would like be part of the crew, please let me know. As I stated in an above post, the guild will be hidden. I feel this is the best option; if the guild is private, it's like we're saying, "Hey, look at what we're saying behind your backs, and there's nothing you can do about it!" And a public guild would negate its entire purpose. (Besides, hidden guilds inspire more curiosity!) For category, I have decided on 'entertainment'. xd I've definitely got some thread and section ideas already, but much of it is still drawing board. I'll wait until I have everything mapped out to start the guild and promote it. I'll do my best to post new threads and keep the ball rolling, but if anyone has any suggestions for sections or whatever, feel free to post your ideas. As for banners, I already have the guild banner: link. Simple, yet to the point. xd I have an idea for the front page image, but the language is offensive to say the least, lol. Either way, I was planning on mocking Chax's guild by drawing a picture of the guild's signature members. Offensive language omitted or not, I think I'll stick with that idea. I will need help with promotion/sig banners though! Lastly, think of people that might want to join. I'll be sending out some join requests once the guild gets going! gonk
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:05 am
Holy crap, that's an awesome Front Page Image. I had something like planned for the IPG, but I couldn't do it because I lacked character positioning ideas.
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:24 pm
Well, I did a watercolor painting of Wicked and myself for the front page of the guild. It's 18 by 24 inches! eek I'm going to scan it in tomorrow and see how it turns out, but here's a teaser picture I took with my camera phone: teaser! Quality sucks I know, but oh well. I'll have the full version ready for you guys to see soon. razz
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:56 am
Spicey Cognac Well, I did a watercolor painting of Wicked and myself for the front page of the guild. It's 18 by 24 inches! eek I'm going to scan it in tomorrow and see how it turns out, but here's a teaser picture I took with my camera phone: teaser! Quality sucks I know, but oh well. I'll have the full version ready for you guys to see soon. razz
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