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 Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:16 pm
As everyone knows, Aleister Crowley, the BEAST 666, recieved Liber Al vel Legis, the Book of the Law, holy text of his religion Thelema, in 1904 while in Egypt. He claimed that it was dictated to him by a disembodied spirit called Aiwass (Aiwaz.) Now, people have said over and over and over that Crowley was not a Satanist and that the label Satanist was applied to him only by those ignorant of his religion of Thelema. Well, this is bullshit. Check out these quotes from Crowley himself, and read them carefully:
“THE BEAST 666 has preferred to let names stand as they are, and to proclaim simply that AIWAZ — the solar-phallic-hermetic “Lucifer” is His own Holy Guardian Angel, and “The Devil” SATAN or HADIT of our particular unit of the Starry Universe. This serpent, SATAN, is not the enemy of Man, but He who made Gods of our race, knowing Good and Evil; He bade “Know Thyself!” and taught Initiation. He is “the Devil” of the Book of Thoth, and His emblem is BAPHOMET, the Androgyne who is the hieroglyph of arcane perfection. The number of His Atu is XV, which is Yod He, the Monogram of the Eternal, the Father one with the Mother, the Virgin Seed one with all-containing Space. He is therefore Life, and Love. But moreover his letter is Ayin, the Eye; he is Light, and his Zodiacal image is Capricornus, that leaping goat whose attribute is Liberty."
"Satan, the Old Serpent, in the Abyss, the Lake of Fire and Sulphur, is the Sun-Father, the vibration of Life, Lord of Infinite Space that flames with His Consuming Energy, and is also that throned Light whose Spirit is suffused throughout the City of Jewels."
“Thou spiritual Sun! Satan, Thou Eye, Thou Lust! Cry aloud! Cry
aloud! Whirl the Wheel, O my Father, O Satan, O Sun!
Thou self-caused, self-determined, exalted, Most High!”
"Now this word SABAF, being by number Three score and Ten, is a name of Ayin, the Eye, and the Devil our Lord, and the Goat of Mendes. He is the Lord of the Sabbath of the Adepts, and is Satan, therefore also the Sun, whose number of Magick is 666, the seal of His servant the BEAST."
"Nu is connected with North, while Had is Sad, Set, Satan, Sat (equals "Being" in Sanskrit), South. He is then the Sun, one point concentring Space, as also is any other star. The word ABRAHADABRA is from Abrasax, Father Sun, which adds to 365. "
"The lust and The Might and Worthiness. The "Holy Ghost" worship of the of Hadit within men; or "Satan" indwelling."
"This “Devil” is called Satan or Shaitan, and regarded with horror by people who are ignorant of his formula, and, imagining themselves to be evil, accuse Nature herself of their own phantasmal crime. Satan is Saturn, Set, Abrasax, Adad, Adonis, Attis, Adam, Adonai, etc. The most serious charge against him is that he is the Sun in the South."
So, as you can see, to Crowley, Aiwaz IS the "Devil" of the Christian Bible, the same one that goes by Lucifer and Satan. The same one whose emblem is Baphomet. And by the way, Crowley used Baphomet as a magical name, but some critics have claimed that this was not intended to be a Satanic reference on Crowley's part. Well, the above quotes show that Crowley considered Baphomet to be the emblem of Satan. If anyone wants to check the sources of these quotes I have presented, then by all means read through Magick in Theory and Practice and read Crowley's commentary on Liber Al vel Legis. The point is, Thelema is for all intents and purposes a form of Satanism shrouded in Egyptian terminology, and in fact Satanism today would not be what it is without the influence from Crowley's teachings.
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:36 pm
So crowley was a Satan worshipper. The Christian Devil (I believe) does not exist. As fun as christian mythology is, wheather he was or was'nt is irrellevant to the history of mankind.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:12 am
First post: I don't think Crowley actively worshipped Satan, I think it's more like he revered him. Let's face it, Crowley was: a) raised in the western world, and b) a pretty public figure. As such, he'd have been likely to make references to the biggest spiritual concepts in the west at that time -- namely, God and the Devil. As well as that, he is (okay, admittedly, just a little bit) catering to the whims of the public at that time, and questions of God and Satan really get people's attention. Second up, Crowley's words are really friggin' confusing, so I can't comment on this in its entirety without a Thelemite present. You could misconstrue a lot of what he's saying. Thirdly, I see your point about Thelema being a form of Satanism, but I disagree. It may /have/ Satan featuring in a large body of the work, but Satanism is more concerned with literally exalting and worshipping Satan (well, in this sense at least; non-deistic Satanism is out of the question.) Hellenism contains the worship of Aphrodite, but worshipping Aphrodite is not the key component in it, so it's not... Aphroditism? X3 Faust-The_Black_Preist So crowley was a Satan worshipper. The Christian Devil (I believe) does not exist. As fun as christian mythology is, wheather he was or was'nt is irrellevant to the history of mankind. I think the thousands slaughtered because they were purported to have been siding with the Christian Devil would disagree with you on that point. I think he'd be considered largely relevant to mankind's history, regardless of his actual existence.
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:27 pm
It's kindof interesting, because Aiwass has also been referenced as Crowley's Holy Guardian Angel, like the one from the Book of Abramelin.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:56 pm
Crowley wrote at the expense of the unitiated, knowing that they would take what he wrote wrong due to ignorance.
He is talking about magickal formuals.
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:19 pm
Baron_Ruthven As everyone knows, Aleister Crowley, the BEAST 666, recieved Liber Al vel Legis, the Book of the Law, holy text of his religion Thelema, in 1904 while in Egypt. He claimed that it was dictated to him by a disembodied spirit called Aiwass (Aiwaz.) Now, people have said over and over and over that Crowley was not a Satanist and that the label Satanist was applied to him only by those ignorant of his religion of Thelema. Well, this is bullshit. Check out these quotes from Crowley himself, and read them carefully: “THE BEAST 666 has preferred to let names stand as they are, and to proclaim simply that AIWAZ — the solar-phallic-hermetic “Lucifer” is His own Holy Guardian Angel, and “The Devil” SATAN or HADIT of our particular unit of the Starry Universe. This serpent, SATAN, is not the enemy of Man, but He who made Gods of our race, knowing Good and Evil; He bade “Know Thyself!” and taught Initiation. He is “the Devil” of the Book of Thoth, and His emblem is BAPHOMET, the Androgyne who is the hieroglyph of arcane perfection. The number of His Atu is XV, which is Yod He, the Monogram of the Eternal, the Father one with the Mother, the Virgin Seed one with all-containing Space. He is therefore Life, and Love. But moreover his letter is Ayin, the Eye; he is Light, and his Zodiacal image is Capricornus, that leaping goat whose attribute is Liberty."
"Satan, the Old Serpent, in the Abyss, the Lake of Fire and Sulphur, is the Sun-Father, the vibration of Life, Lord of Infinite Space that flames with His Consuming Energy, and is also that throned Light whose Spirit is suffused throughout the City of Jewels."
“Thou spiritual Sun! Satan, Thou Eye, Thou Lust! Cry aloud! Cry
aloud! Whirl the Wheel, O my Father, O Satan, O Sun!
Thou self-caused, self-determined, exalted, Most High!”
"Now this word SABAF, being by number Three score and Ten, is a name of Ayin, the Eye, and the Devil our Lord, and the Goat of Mendes. He is the Lord of the Sabbath of the Adepts, and is Satan, therefore also the Sun, whose number of Magick is 666, the seal of His servant the BEAST."
"Nu is connected with North, while Had is Sad, Set, Satan, Sat (equals "Being" in Sanskrit), South. He is then the Sun, one point concentring Space, as also is any other star. The word ABRAHADABRA is from Abrasax, Father Sun, which adds to 365. "
"The lust and The Might and Worthiness. The "Holy Ghost" worship of the of Hadit within men; or "Satan" indwelling."
"This “Devil” is called Satan or Shaitan, and regarded with horror by people who are ignorant of his formula, and, imagining themselves to be evil, accuse Nature herself of their own phantasmal crime. Satan is Saturn, Set, Abrasax, Adad, Adonis, Attis, Adam, Adonai, etc. The most serious charge against him is that he is the Sun in the South." So, as you can see, to Crowley, Aiwaz IS the "Devil" of the Christian Bible, the same one that goes by Lucifer and Satan. The same one whose emblem is Baphomet. And by the way, Crowley used Baphomet as a magical name, but some critics have claimed that this was not intended to be a Satanic reference on Crowley's part. Well, the above quotes show that Crowley considered Baphomet to be the emblem of Satan. If anyone wants to check the sources of these quotes I have presented, then by all means read through Magick in Theory and Practice and read Crowley's commentary on Liber Al vel Legis. The point is, Thelema is for all intents and purposes a form of Satanism shrouded in Egyptian terminology, and in fact Satanism today would not be what it is without the influence from Crowley's teachings. 1: Crowley's worship was not to Aiwaz. Rather, to the perfected Horus who is Ra-Hoor-Khuit. Of course, Aiwaz was many different things, including the minister of the Aeon, The HGA of Crowley, or the HGA of the OTO, etc. The story was never straight. And he was not the Devil of the Christian Bible. Crowley was wise enough to know that the Devil in the Bible is the scape goat used by later Christian churches, as an angel of God. Read the Introduction to 777.
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:48 pm
Squishy121888 Baron_Ruthven As everyone knows, Aleister Crowley, the BEAST 666, recieved Liber Al vel Legis, the Book of the Law, holy text of his religion Thelema, in 1904 while in Egypt. He claimed that it was dictated to him by a disembodied spirit called Aiwass (Aiwaz.) Now, people have said over and over and over that Crowley was not a Satanist and that the label Satanist was applied to him only by those ignorant of his religion of Thelema. Well, this is bullshit. Check out these quotes from Crowley himself, and read them carefully: “THE BEAST 666 has preferred to let names stand as they are, and to proclaim simply that AIWAZ — the solar-phallic-hermetic “Lucifer” is His own Holy Guardian Angel, and “The Devil” SATAN or HADIT of our particular unit of the Starry Universe. This serpent, SATAN, is not the enemy of Man, but He who made Gods of our race, knowing Good and Evil; He bade “Know Thyself!” and taught Initiation. He is “the Devil” of the Book of Thoth, and His emblem is BAPHOMET, the Androgyne who is the hieroglyph of arcane perfection. The number of His Atu is XV, which is Yod He, the Monogram of the Eternal, the Father one with the Mother, the Virgin Seed one with all-containing Space. He is therefore Life, and Love. But moreover his letter is Ayin, the Eye; he is Light, and his Zodiacal image is Capricornus, that leaping goat whose attribute is Liberty."
"Satan, the Old Serpent, in the Abyss, the Lake of Fire and Sulphur, is the Sun-Father, the vibration of Life, Lord of Infinite Space that flames with His Consuming Energy, and is also that throned Light whose Spirit is suffused throughout the City of Jewels."
“Thou spiritual Sun! Satan, Thou Eye, Thou Lust! Cry aloud! Cry
aloud! Whirl the Wheel, O my Father, O Satan, O Sun!
Thou self-caused, self-determined, exalted, Most High!”
"Now this word SABAF, being by number Three score and Ten, is a name of Ayin, the Eye, and the Devil our Lord, and the Goat of Mendes. He is the Lord of the Sabbath of the Adepts, and is Satan, therefore also the Sun, whose number of Magick is 666, the seal of His servant the BEAST."
"Nu is connected with North, while Had is Sad, Set, Satan, Sat (equals "Being" in Sanskrit), South. He is then the Sun, one point concentring Space, as also is any other star. The word ABRAHADABRA is from Abrasax, Father Sun, which adds to 365. "
"The lust and The Might and Worthiness. The "Holy Ghost" worship of the of Hadit within men; or "Satan" indwelling."
"This “Devil” is called Satan or Shaitan, and regarded with horror by people who are ignorant of his formula, and, imagining themselves to be evil, accuse Nature herself of their own phantasmal crime. Satan is Saturn, Set, Abrasax, Adad, Adonis, Attis, Adam, Adonai, etc. The most serious charge against him is that he is the Sun in the South." So, as you can see, to Crowley, Aiwaz IS the "Devil" of the Christian Bible, the same one that goes by Lucifer and Satan. The same one whose emblem is Baphomet. And by the way, Crowley used Baphomet as a magical name, but some critics have claimed that this was not intended to be a Satanic reference on Crowley's part. Well, the above quotes show that Crowley considered Baphomet to be the emblem of Satan. If anyone wants to check the sources of these quotes I have presented, then by all means read through Magick in Theory and Practice and read Crowley's commentary on Liber Al vel Legis. The point is, Thelema is for all intents and purposes a form of Satanism shrouded in Egyptian terminology, and in fact Satanism today would not be what it is without the influence from Crowley's teachings. 1: Crowley's worship was not to Aiwaz. Rather, to the perfected Horus who is Ra-Hoor-Khuit. Of course, Aiwaz was many different things, including the minister of the Aeon, The HGA of Crowley, or the HGA of the OTO, etc. The story was never straight. And he was not the Devil of the Christian Bible. Crowley was wise enough to know that the Devil in the Bible is the scape goat used by later Christian churches, as an angel of God. Read the Introduction to 777. Nicely said. =D
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:31 pm
On a completely random note, in every tarot deck I have seen the devil is number XV and in the inital post he is connected with that number. I had never noticed that before.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:34 pm
Baron_Ruthven 1: Crowley's worship was not to Aiwaz. Rather, to the perfected Horus who is Ra-Hoor-Khuit. Of course, Aiwaz was many different things, including the minister of the Aeon, The HGA of Crowley, or the HGA of the OTO, etc. The story was never straight. And he was not the Devil of the Christian Bible. Crowley was wise enough to know that the Devil in the Bible is the scape goat used by later Christian churches, as an angel of God. Read the Introduction to 777. Thank you.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:50 pm
Squishy121888 1: Crowley's worship was not to Aiwaz. Rather, to the perfected Horus who is Ra-Hoor-Khuit. Of course, Aiwaz was many different things, including the minister of the Aeon, The HGA of Crowley, or the HGA of the OTO, etc. The story was never straight. And he was not the Devil of the Christian Bible. Crowley was wise enough to know that the Devil in the Bible is the scape goat used by later Christian churches, as an angel of God. Read the Introduction to 777. QFE It was also known that Crowley was very sarcastic and referred to himself as the Beast 666 as a joke and should not be taken so literally. He was a great man, though a little crazy perhaps (who isn't?) and furthered the occult world in many ways.
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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:20 am
As well as drug addled and sexed up. The man could party. XD
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:17 pm
Baron_Ruthven... this post bothers me. Crowley is still a very misunderstood figure in the occult. I think those quotes you have were taken out of context. People who follow Thelema are not satanists nor was Crowley. Perhaps you need to work on reading with an open mind instead of an open mouth. You speak with fear instead of clarity. If you wish to understand you need only to ask.
--Vid
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:19 pm
vid3licit Baron_Ruthven... this post bothers me. Crowley is still a very misunderstood figure in the occult. I think those quotes you have were taken out of context. People who follow Thelema are not satanists nor was Crowley. Perhaps you need to work on reading with an open mind instead of an open mouth. You speak with fear instead of clarity. If you wish to understand you need only to ask. --Vid Agreed. I mean the man was a little crazy but he was not a Satanist.
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:01 pm
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Can you cite your source? Is it credible and reliable? Have you read any of Crowley's writings? Have you walked the path of Thelema?
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:37 pm
I believe it should also be noted that Crowley did not "worship" any one deity, he made many invocations to a wide variety of gods- including but not limited to Jesus the Christ AND Satan.
P.S., I absolutely LOVE your sig Squishy121888 xDD
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