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 Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:03 pm
I have several arguments against the god theory, and this is a recent one that I'm working on before I unleash it in debate form.
If there was a god, everyone would believe in the same one... heres why...
1. The same god would have appeared to the prophits and would have given the same message.
__a. He would have given the same message because, being all knowing, he eould know how the future message would have changed if at all.
2. The one gods message would have been delivered throughout the world, him saying "I am the one true god" therefore there would be no polytheistic religions.
3. He would have sent prophits to ensure that people worshiped him the same way and the religions would not faction, taking away from their love of him in their battleing between eachother.
4. As it would be one god giving the same message, there would be only two holy books in the entire world, the Pro-God Book, and the Anti-God Book (Bible vs. Satanic stuff)
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:08 am
Jediwannabe353 1. The same god would have appeared to the prophets and would have given the same message. ... 4. ... it would be one god giving the same message... But this doesn't stop people from falsely proclaiming that they have received a message from God. Jediwannabe353 2. The one gods message would have been delivered throughout the world, him saying "I am the one true god" therefore there would be no polytheistic religions. 3. He would have sent prophets to ensure that people worshiped him the same way and the religions would not faction, taking away from their love of him in their battleing between each other. Since God is supposed to have absolute wisdom and knowledge, and we clearly don't, we are not in a position to say what God would do. Jediwannabe353 __a. He would have given the same message because, being all knowing, he eould know how the future message would have changed if at all. The message changes differently for different groups of people, so if the same message was given to all, they would gradually become different from each other.
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:33 am
The biggest flaw in all your arguements is that they all start with a god existing. There isn't a god. So all your arguements should begin and end with the solid assurance that there isn't one or any. Rather than attack god's logic or reasoning, attack human religious behavior, sources of the bible and its history, and explain how all the attractrive girls should wear less clothes, wash each other in public, and for god's sake HAVE SLUMBER PARTIES AND PILLOW FIGHT REGULARY!
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:20 am
Those are kind of like what I use with some of my friends when we talk about religion and god. My friend camille kinda throws my off by telling em god doesn't want to force people to like him or blieve in him if they don't want to.
((I told her why are there so many diffrent relgions and people not believing in him, like myself.))
Then I thought, if he doesn't care enough to prove to us he is real, then why does he sent people to hell?
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:06 pm
I am trying to use this argument to show that there is no god.
As most Christians will say, their god wants us to be close to him, and so share in his love... there fore, he would do everything in his infinite power to ensure that as many people believed in him as possible.
The god's message would not change, for he would be the same god. He would try to ensure uniformity in the parctices of his worship to aviod the holy wars that have plagued history.
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:13 pm
Jediwannabe353 As most Christians will say, their god wants us to be close to him, and so share in his love... there fore, he would do everything in his infinite power to ensure that as many people believed in him as possible. As most Christians would say, "God wants us to choose Him by ourselves", and "faith is an important part of salvation". I already lodged my complaints against your argument: We can't be justified in saying what God would do, and a God's consistent message giving does not imply that all messages received are consistent. BTW, I agree with Dathu.
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:51 pm
Jediwannabe353 I have several arguments against the god theory, and this is a recent one that I'm working on before I unleash it in debate form. If there was a god, everyone would believe in the same one... heres why... 1. The same god would have appeared to the prophits and would have given the same message. __a. He would have given the same message because, being all knowing, he eould know how the future message would have changed if at all. 2. The one gods message would have been delivered throughout the world, him saying "I am the one true god" therefore there would be no polytheistic religions. 3. He would have sent prophits to ensure that people worshiped him the same way and the religions would not faction, taking away from their love of him in their battleing between eachother. 4. As it would be one god giving the same message, there would be only two holy books in the entire world, the Pro-God Book, and the Anti-God Book (Bible vs. Satanic stuff) Well, God thinks all the other gods/godesses are just impersonating gods/godesses I think. Dont kill me if I'm wrong...
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:26 pm
I like how you unleash your half baked ideas for debating here. Even better: people tell you that your... flawed...
tiny bit of sadness
might i pass on a quote by mark twain
"It is better to be thought an idiot than open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I agree that being that there is no god then we can't really say what "it" would do. rolleyes
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:30 pm
Eternalnight666 I like how you unleash your half baked ideas for debating here. Even better: people tell you that your... flawed... tiny bit of sadness might i pass on a quote by mark twain "It is better to be thought an idiot than open your mouth and remove all doubt." I agree that being that there is no god then we can't really say what "it" would do. rolleyes
Gonna have to remember that quote though.
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:49 pm
Dathu Eternalnight666 I like how you unleash your half baked ideas for debating here. Even better: people tell you that your... flawed... tiny bit of sadness might i pass on a quote by mark twain "It is better to be thought an idiot than open your mouth and remove all doubt." I agree that being that there is no god then we can't really say what "it" would do. rolleyes
Gonna have to remember that quote though.it was in my brothers school year book. it spoke to me
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:20 pm
Let me give you a proverb from china then...
"A person who ask a question is a fool for a moment, a person who doesn't is a fool for ever."
Intelegent people try their ideas upon people who will slightly agree with them before proofing them against hostile people.
The christian's bible tells them that their god wants their love, and to be close to them... their bible also says that their god killed many people, doubtlesly there are many contradictions, yet there are also many triends that can show a certain will to their god figure.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:15 pm
Jediwannabe353 Intelegent people try their ideas upon people who will slightly agree with them before proofing them against hostile people. Hmm.... I don't know if intelegent people do... but intelligent people may. I see where you are going though. Since the christian god is infallible, to prove any one point about him wrong would also make that statement false which makes one question the entire thing. The problem of evil is a good path to take though. It states that since god is benevolent, omnicient, and omnipotent, he would stop evil, would know where, when, and how to stop it, and would have the power to stop it. If all of these are true, then evil could not exist, but it obviously does.
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:34 am
Jediwannabe353 "A person who ask a question is a fool for a moment, a person who doesn't is a fool for ever". Agreed. Anyway, are you going to respond to my criticisms?
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:21 am
OMFG someone actually agreed with you!!!!
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:21 pm
Jediwannabe353 Let me give you a proverb from china then... "A person who ask a question is a fool for a moment, a person who doesn't is a fool for ever." Intelegent people try their ideas upon people who will slightly agree with them before proofing them against hostile people. The christian's bible tells them that their god wants their love, and to be close to them... their bible also says that their god killed many people, doubtlesly there are many contradictions, yet there are also many triends that can show a certain will to their god figure. I agree with the proverb,yet i don't agree with you. you weren't asking questions neutral any who why is it such a big deal to argue with the christion peoples.
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