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Lust herself

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:23 am


Seriously, I have noticed most people don't know where what they follow comes from. For instance, in Wicca and Voodoo and Paganism in general, you get people that really just mess around and don't do much at all. And any posts questioning my credibility will be deleted because this thread is about roots, not credibility and quite frankly I could care less if you thought I was capable or not, it's the ******** internet for pete's sake.

But seriously, with Wicca, it was a combination of other belief systems that were then combined with paganism. speaking of paganism I see a lot of pagans that don't take time to enjoy the finer things in life. It was the pagans of old who would dance around a fire getting drunk off their a** until they turned primal, and danced naked in the woods, and if they were drinking you can bet they'd be ******** as well. Then you have the witchcraft of old salem, where I believe there actually was witchcraft, but witchcraft was just the name given to the practice of what is also known as voodoo, since it is people's nature to fear they decided to get violent. Causing the users to simply keep the practice secret.

Then of course you have the gods and goddesses. And boy does Aphrodite get misinterpreted. I've seen some people say they admire Aphrodite but freak out at the slightest mention of sex, or use her name with reverence, and be a ******** mormon. Ok, first off, Aphrodite's principles are anti-mormon, anyone who really knows about mormonism knows, no gay sex, smoking, or drinking, or oral sex. or prostitution.

but if you think about it in the big picture, all APhrodite ever really asked for is that we don't deny our natural desires. Pretty much the same with Zeus, And Hera, and pretty much any symbolism of any higher power you can think of.

So where do we get off twisting these spirits to our own view?
I mean, a bunch of backward a** people inhabit this world these days. Noone really understands sex for what it is these days. but this is not a sex topic it's a topic about roots so allow me to steer elsewhere.

People also seem to be ignoring the fact that you can live many different beliefs in one lifetime. For instance, first I was agnostic, then I was mormon, then Christian, then pagan, then I was obbsessive about being a juggalo, then after a while I finally found where I fit. In myself. I may not fit perfectly sometimes, but hey, at least I know my roots. People change, and people seem to think once they find one set of beliefs they have to stick with them for life. Now how the hell are you supposed to find your roots if you refuse to move around?

Then of course you have your basic mythology, you get people claiming mythology for thier roots and that's fine. I think I just see too many people that look at the myths as the ultimate truth. Hell half those myths that people stick to so firmly are older than the bible! So why not loosen up some and simply og off of the traits?

Anyways, discuss where people know their roots and don't know thier roots.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:20 pm


Hah. I will question your credibility. I want to see you try to delete my posts.

But I'd disagree with the Aphrodite thing. I understand people being prudish just for the sake of being prudish is stupid, but who's to say the Egyptian/Sumerian deity that the Greeks got her from wouldn't have approved of abstinent behaviors?

I'd also be hard pressed to define natural desires. I mean, not ******** around in marriage or lying to loved ones might usually be considered a good thing, even though if you do you might spread your genes around more and thus be considered "naturally" good.

Course, feel free to move your beliefs around. Just remember it's very, very unlikely you've discovered something beyond the reach of other people. Even ordinary ones. If you've read my thread, you'd know. If not, go read it. Just remember excessive self pride does make it harder to improve as a person.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:25 pm


"To deny our own impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human."

Which I disagree with entirely. =D

I personally don't think knowing everything about your roots is necessary. I don't care much for Austin Osman Spare even though he pretty much began Chaos Magic. He was a man following his own path which worked for him, and it'd be silly to say "Well, actually, if you call yourself a chaos magician and don't do X thing that Spare did, you're not a true chaote." Roots are all well and good, but sticking to your roots just because it's what people did way back when is fallacious. New age, new system, and all that.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:27 am


I hate that damn assumption that pagans have to go dance around fires, hold hands, and ******** like bunnies in order to be considered "valid." There's a reason why pagans aren't respected and the fact that there's a ton of senseless sex and hoebags wandering around saying "ZOMG! I follow Aphrodite!" is one of them.

And no offense, but people will always interpret religion in their own way. Its never cut and paste. There will always be modifications since people are all different. It is a fact of life. So what if that pagan doesn't want to get all up into the sex scene? It's their business. That doesn't make them any less valid as a person or as a pagan.

People who follow sex gods tend to bear this assumption that its all about sex m'kay. Well guess what? In the grand scheme of things, there are more than just sex gods out there. Some pagans follow their gods by being chaste. Those gods may not want people to never have sex, but they certainly want their followers to breed wisely.

Also, anyone who reads mythology know that Zeus, Hera, and Aphrodite don't have a lot of respect for humans. And that is a very Wiccan assumption you make about higher powers all symbolizing the same concept. Sorry, but when you start digging though cultures and myths, you learn more about things than any coven priestess could tell you.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:54 am


I know where things came from... but then again, I devote a bunch of my free time to finding the origins of religions.

The first monotheistic religion was that of Zarathustra, in the area of Persia. It is believed that it was that faith which spawned Judaism, which would have in turn brought both Christianity and Islam into existance.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:14 pm


iolitefire
Also, anyone who reads mythology know that Zeus, Hera, and Aphrodite don't have a lot of respect for humans. And that is a very fluff-Wiccan assumption you make about higher powers all symbolizing the same concept. Sorry, but when you start digging though cultures and myths, you learn more about things than any coven priestess could tell you.
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iolitefire

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:42 am


Darin Rosewood
iolitefire
Also, anyone who reads mythology know that Zeus, Hera, and Aphrodite don't have a lot of respect for humans. And that is a very fluff-Wiccan assumption you make about higher powers all symbolizing the same concept. Sorry, but when you start digging though cultures and myths, you learn more about things than any coven priestess could tell you.
Fixed.


True, traditional Wiccans do not believe that the Lord and Lady symbolize all gods. At least I don't think...
PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:28 pm


iolitefire
I hate that damn assumption that pagans have to go dance around fires, hold hands, and ******** like bunnies in order to be considered "valid." There's a reason why pagans aren't respected and the fact that there's a ton of senseless sex and hoebags wandering around saying "ZOMG! I follow Aphrodite!" is one of them.

And no offense, but people will always interpret religion in their own way. Its never cut and paste. There will always be modifications since people are all different. It is a fact of life. So what if that pagan doesn't want to get all up into the sex scene? It's their business. That doesn't make them any less valid as a person or as a pagan.

People who follow sex gods tend to bear this assumption that its all about sex m'kay. Well guess what? In the grand scheme of things, there are more than just sex gods out there. Some pagans follow their gods by being chaste. Those gods may not want people to never have sex, but they certainly want their followers to breed wisely.

Also, anyone who reads mythology know that Zeus, Hera, and Aphrodite don't have a lot of respect for humans. And that is a very Wiccan assumption you make about higher powers all symbolizing the same concept. Sorry, but when you start digging though cultures and myths, you learn more about things than any coven priestess could tell you.
They don't have to, but you should know where your beliefs came from and stay true to the older ways in my opinion.

Lust herself


Lust herself

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:33 pm


Joshua_Ritter
Hah. I will question your credibility. I want to see you try to delete my posts.

But I'd disagree with the Aphrodite thing. I understand people being prudish just for the sake of being prudish is stupid, but who's to say the Egyptian/Sumerian deity that the Greeks got her from wouldn't have approved of abstinent behaviors?

I'd also be hard pressed to define natural desires. I mean, not ******** around in marriage or lying to loved ones might usually be considered a good thing, even though if you do you might spread your genes around more and thus be considered "naturally" good.

Course, feel free to move your beliefs around. Just remember it's very, very unlikely you've discovered something beyond the reach of other people. Even ordinary ones. If you've read my thread, you'd know. If not, go read it. Just remember excessive self pride does make it harder to improve as a person.
Well, you I don't mind. But the main point is that you shouldn't folow something if you do not know it's history, and most pagans today in my opinion should learn their hstory better and keep in mind that it is myths they are running off of, therefore logic says the information will be slightly distorted. And unless you can talk to thme yourself you don't know for sure, but a lot of ppagan rituals of old did get more graphic and adult than some pagans today will ever get. And that I believe to be a truth. And as far as desire goes, you cannot change how your sp[irit was made, unless of course you're god, then in that case if your god what the hell are you doing in here y'know? lol/ Pretty much know the histroy of what you fo0llow whether you agree with the history or not, and treat legends like lgends instead of cold hard fact. And you're right, it's something that any normal person can figure out, and I think any person that is alive should figure that out. As far as questioning my credibility? I don't care. One time I let people get to me, never did accomplish much, but either way I don't care how good we get along, there will always be some difference of beliefs, it's a big world and that's just life. people will disagree and agree and we all find who was right the most when we die.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:36 pm


Khalida Nyoka
I know where things came from... but then again, I devote a bunch of my free time to finding the origins of religions.

The first monotheistic religion was that of Zarathustra, in the area of Persia. It is believed that it was that faith which spawned Judaism, which would have in turn brought both Christianity and Islam into existance.
See, you put work into finding the origins of religion, but history isn't always exact either, I mean, if it's made form a human, ******** we have done some pretty stupid stuff before. Like in the medieval days where it was believed manually drilling a hole in someone's head freed them from an evil spirit? Or the witch test, tie stones to someones foot and throw them in the lake, if they drown they're not a witch, if they float they're a witch and are then burned at the stake. I mean, people are stupid, have been stupid, and will always be stupid to some degree, none of us can escape that completely, no matter how hard any of us try we have all done something stupid in our lives. so logic says that anything that came from man is subject to question and could be wrong.

Lust herself


LesbianWetDreams

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:54 pm


Hmm... See thats the thing I don't like. If you worship a God or Goddess (Deity) You shouldn't twist anything.

www.teenwitch.com (Not related to Ravenwolf) is one of those sites that twists things. I've even confronted the lady about it. She had some bogus things about Bast being goddess of lesbians and exotic dance.

When I confronted her she seemed pretty stupid. She said she'd change it and that Bast was the goddess of Exotic dancing meaning Belly dancing (Which is wrong because it was stripping. The women would lift their skirts and such)

I think if you worship a deity. Worship them for who they truly are. Not for the things you think they are. You're just worshipping a different god (One that may not even exist) using their name.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:57 pm


LesbianWetDreams
Hmm... See thats the thing I don't like. If you worship a God or Goddess (Deity) You shouldn't twist anything.

www.teenwitch.com (Not related to Ravenwolf) is one of those sites that twists things. I've even confronted the lady about it. She had some bogus things about Bast being goddess of lesbians and exotic dance.

When I confronted her she seemed pretty stupid. She said she'd change it and that Bast was the goddess of Exotic dancing meaning Belly dancing (Which is wrong because it was stripping. The women would lift their skirts and such)

I think if you worship a deity. Worship them for who they truly are. Not for the things you think they are. You're just worshipping a different god (One that may not even exist) using their name.
Bast if I recall right was the aptron of all cats, so to wroship her would be basically to worship a cats attitude or be a cat lover as far as I know, but yeah I get what you're saying. primary qualities basically right? What does the higher power stand for and is known for mainly, instead of what society has conformed them too.

Lust herself


LesbianWetDreams

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:01 pm


Lust herself
LesbianWetDreams
Hmm... See thats the thing I don't like. If you worship a God or Goddess (Deity) You shouldn't twist anything.

www.teenwitch.com (Not related to Ravenwolf) is one of those sites that twists things. I've even confronted the lady about it. She had some bogus things about Bast being goddess of lesbians and exotic dance.

When I confronted her she seemed pretty stupid. She said she'd change it and that Bast was the goddess of Exotic dancing meaning Belly dancing (Which is wrong because it was stripping. The women would lift their skirts and such)

I think if you worship a deity. Worship them for who they truly are. Not for the things you think they are. You're just worshipping a different god (One that may not even exist) using their name.
Bast if I recall right was the aptron of all cats, so to wroship her would be basically to worship a cats attitude or be a cat lover as far as I know, but yeah I get what you're saying. primary qualities basically right? What does the higher power stand for and is known for mainly, instead of what society has conformed them too.


She's a lot more than that. She's my Patron. She was the Goddess of mothers and children because if you've seen a mother cat you know they're like the poster child of mothers.

She's also the Goddess of balms I believe.


But every Goddess/God/Spirit (Why am I just not using the word Deities?) has something to teach whether it may be the bad or the good. She does teach you to "Land on your feet" In a way along with like you said catish attitude.

And yes. > >; I am a teenage crazy cat lady.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:09 pm


LesbianWetDreams
Lust herself
LesbianWetDreams
Hmm... See thats the thing I don't like. If you worship a God or Goddess (Deity) You shouldn't twist anything.

www.teenwitch.com (Not related to Ravenwolf) is one of those sites that twists things. I've even confronted the lady about it. She had some bogus things about Bast being goddess of lesbians and exotic dance.

When I confronted her she seemed pretty stupid. She said she'd change it and that Bast was the goddess of Exotic dancing meaning Belly dancing (Which is wrong because it was stripping. The women would lift their skirts and such)

I think if you worship a deity. Worship them for who they truly are. Not for the things you think they are. You're just worshipping a different god (One that may not even exist) using their name.
Bast if I recall right was the aptron of all cats, so to wroship her would be basically to worship a cats attitude or be a cat lover as far as I know, but yeah I get what you're saying. primary qualities basically right? What does the higher power stand for and is known for mainly, instead of what society has conformed them too.


She's a lot more than that. She's my Patron. She was the Goddess of mothers and children because if you've seen a mother cat you know they're like the poster child of mothers.

She's also the Goddess of balms I believe.


But every Goddess/God/Spirit (Why am I just not using the word Deities?) has something to teach whether it may be the bad or the good. She does teach you to "Land on your feet" In a way along with like you said catish attitude.

And yes. > >; I am a teenage crazy cat lady.
hey you're talking to a cat lover, the only thing I ask of my Buddy at home is that he be a cat. I get exactly what you are saying though, yeah, a lot of dietes have a lot more traits then people realize but a lot gets lost over history, for instance, if Aphrodite was so nice all the time then why did she hook up with the god of war so much? And other questions that people don't ask. but either way, it's still legend and until you see otherwise spiritually you shouldn't take it so serious, and even then, you should take the legnd with a grain of salt

Lust herself

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