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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:36 am
And here it all is
Book One
Episode 2, The Avatar Returns
Zuko seems to be looking at Katara. Even though it's obvious that Kana is the leader, he speaks to Katara. Indicating that he has some respect for her. Showing that there could be a small bond between them, even though they just met.
Episode 6, Imprisoned
When Zuko finds Katara's necklace he seems to become distracted, gazing into the sunset. In other shows, books and indeed real-life, people who stare into the sunset are daydreaming, they are lost in thought and generally happy. Although he is probably thinking of ways to capture Aang, he is also thinking of Katara as he does so. And, before you fall for someone, you have to think about them.....
Episode 9, The Waterbending scroll
Zuko is a lot more gentle with Katara than he was with Aang. And no, it's not just because she's a girl. Zuko has been around her long enough to know that, despite what he wants to think, that Katara and her brother aren't just tag along friends who are going to abandon Aang as soon as trouble comes. So he has absolutely no reason to be nice to her. After the first few moments of shock, Katara seems pretty relaxed. Showing that either A) she doesn't believe Zuko is a threat to her, or B) She's not completely sure about his character. It can't be the first, because everyone knows that Katara is more rational than that. The second on the other hand, means that, unlike most people who are convinced he's evil, she allows herself to doubt this.
Episode 10, Jet
Katara falls for Jet, who is seemingly a good guy. But, in the end, she finds out that he's quite the opposite. This could show that, to find the right guy for her, Katara will have to look beyond the obvious choice (AKA. Aang).
Episode 14, The Fortuneteller
Aunt Wu predicts that Katara will marry a powerful bender, so immediately you think of Aang and Zuko. Then, she predicts that there is no love in Aang's future, this leaves Zuko (do the math).
Episode 15, Bato of the Water Tribe
Jun says three times (roughly) that Katara was Zuko's girlfriend, and he never denied it. Also, he kept Katara's necklace around his wrist. He mostly keeps things in his belt (Like the waterbending scroll) but he wears Katara's necklace around his wrist. Showing that he's become quite attached to it, and he has to connect it to Katara (who could you not?) so therefore he could be feeling differently towards her than she, Aang, Sokka, Iroh and the rest of the world, would expect.
Episode 16, The Deserter
Katara discovers she can heal. If you look at the symbolism, you could conclude that Katara could heal Zuko's emotional scars. It's also very convenient that Zuko has a scar, and Katara can heal.......
Episode 18, The Waterbending Master
Alright, this might seem like complete rubbish, but this thought occurred to me. When Katara has to fight to prove she's worthy of Master Paku's respect and teaching, it reminded me of what Zuko had to go through with his father. Another thing they have in common. It could relate to Zuko's battle with his father, who he will eventually have to face, and perhaps Katara will be standing beside him, giving him the strength of he needs.
Episode 19, Siege of The North, part 1
During their fight, Zuko and Katara seem to be fighting their hardest, almost trying to prove something to the other. It's just a small idea, but generally guys (and girls) show off to the person they're crushing on.
Episode 20, Siege of The North, part 2
In the cave with Aang, Zuko has, once again, gone into a daydream. He was probably thinking about how to get back to the Fire Nation. And possibly about Katara, he had just left her unconscious, and, whatever his father might say, Zuko has honor. So the fact that he just left an injured girl, alone, while the Fire navy was attacking, was probably weighing on his mind. You can see him staring into the distance, almost as if he wanted Katara to come, When they meet up again, Zuko and Katara speak as though they are comfortable with each other, even though they are about to do battle. Zuko had battled with Aang and Zhao, yet he has never acted comfortable with them, suggesting that there is something special about Katara.
Book 2
Episode 1, The Avatar State
Katara mentions to Aang how upsetting it is for her to see him in pain (It's a mother son relationship!). It is part of Katara's character to understand others, and to comfort them. So, Katara can obviously help Zuko.
Episode 2 The Cave of Two Lovers.
In my way of thinking, the story of Oma and Shu was more Zutara than Kataang. Two lovers, separated by war, The war isn't between water and air, but between fire and the other elements. Fire and Water.
Episode 6, The Blind Bandit
Alright, this totally doesn't make sense, but hey, work with me. I just thought that the zutara shipping is all about breaking the mold, and going against what most people think should happen. Toph is going against her parents restrictions and assumptions, and Zuko and Katara will have to do the same (see? random, but I had to put it in there).
Episode 7, Zuko Alone
In this episode you find out about Zuko's relationship with his mother. This is very similar to Katara's situation. And I am sure that it was no accident. Few people in the show have much in common with Zuko, but, as the series progresses, more similarities are beginning to appear between him and Katara.
Episode 8, The Chase
I looked at a screenshot of when Katara suggested that it could be Zuko chasing them, and she looks like she's daydreaming, maybe she was thinking about Zuko? When Toph asks who Zuko was, Katara gets defensive, when Sokka insults him, Katara answers sarcastically, shutting Sokka up. Katara offers to heal Iroh. Alright, Katara's a kind person, but she offered the help to Zuko, who she considered an enemy. She didn't offer to help Zhao, or Azula, or anyone else the gang had fought against. Suggesting that she doesn't think of him the same way.
Episode 9, Bitter Work
When Iroh is explaining balance to Zuko, and he moves onto water, Zuko face softens considerably. Showing that he has a soft spot for the element, or someone who uses that element. And the only water we know of that Zuko really knows is Katara.
Episode 15, Tales of Ba Sing Se
My twisted little mind has managed to twist the whole Jinko thing into zutara, how? I don't know. It is impossible for Jinko to work out, because she doesn't know him, she believes him to be Lee, an earthbender, not the Prince of the Fire Nation. But it does work for zutara, if you tie it in with Crossroads of Destiny. Because, Katara does begin to understand Zuko, she has seen him at his worst, and can accept him despite that.
Episode 20, Crossroads of Destiny
Ahh, the episode that left both Zutara and Kataang fans screaming at the screen. Well, sorry to disappoint you Kataang fans, but this Zutara shipper is NOT giving up. When Katara is thrown into the cave with Zuko, her reaction is, understandably, anger. Here is the man she thought was responsible for her being locked up, thrown in with her. As she rages, accusing him, Zuko, amazingly, stays cool, something he rarely does when someone challenges him. Then when Katara breaks down, Zuko turns, apologies, then tells her that that is something they have in common. Then, Katara apologies to him, look on her face shows that she is almost in pain about what she said. She then explains to him that, before, when she pictured the face of them enemy, she pictured his. This shows that she has thought about him. "My face, I see," Zuko answered, touching his scar. Katara immediately takes her words back, showing that she never really cared that much about the scar, but she does care about his feelings. Zuko interrupts her, then even more shockingly, explains that he now doesn't see his scar as a curse, like he used to, that he knows that it will always be with him, he can still chose his own path. Then Katara offers to heal his scar, using the water from the spirit oasis, which is probably one of the most valuable thing she owns. Zuko then lets her touch his scar, something we have never seen Iroh do, never mind anyone else. Then, in true avatar fashion, the moment is spoiled, but, if you look closely, you can see that Katara takes a step closer to Zuko, a new link has formed between the two. As Katara walks away with Aang, her eyes linger on Zuko, while Zuko glares at Aang, angry.
When Zuko choses Azula over Iroh, I, like most zutara fans I know, began wondering what drugs the shows writers were on. Would anyone chose their psycho sister, who has said, on many occasions that you are worthless, and she has no need of you? The answer any logical person would come to is, hell no. So, their are only two possible reasons, Zuko's lost it, or he's planing to betray Azula. The big giveaway is that when Katara screamed, "I thought you'd changed" Zuko answers, "I have changed." he shows emotion, showing that, whatever it seemed when he was fighting Aang, his earlier emotions are still there, and, I think, in control. He can't mean that he's changed to hard core Fire Nation supporter, because, up until recently, he was. My view is that he means that he has finally got the concept that we all wanted him to get, his father is evil!
In the end, when Azula says, "You can restore your own honour" Zuko takes on a very determined, almost angry look. Suggesting that he knows that Azula is going to betray him, and he is going to beat her to the punch. He also looks slightly worried, because he could've caused the death of the avatar, and many people in Ba sing se will be oppressed, imprisoned and killed if he fails.
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:18 pm
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HP!!!!!
We need you!!!!
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[Hollow Point] Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:20 pm
I dont have much time on my hands here. If I may, I would leave this to the harder (and substantially smarter) Kataang shippers. I dont care enough to break this down paragraph for paragraph. I must commend you for this very thorough breakdown.
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:58 pm
a30993 ... HP!!!!! We need you!!!! Whenever someone does something like this, you always run for HP. Why don't you ever speak up?
Ultimatearthbender: Anyway, some of this is total crap, but you have some good points. I don't know where I want Katara to go, but I think Zutara is possible, if narrowly, and definitely a more interesting romance than Katara and Aang. I think so because Kataang is so predictable...
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:14 pm
I never thought of that before mmm. maybe there is a furture for zutara. *walks away thinking*
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:09 pm
I do not agree with any of your points. Any of them. I read through them all.
The only one that I gave some thought to was the one from Bato of the Water Tribe. I've only seen that episode once, and it was a couple of months ago, so it's not exactly fresh in my mind. I'm not sure if your claims are true (especially about the necklace around his wrist thing, I didn't catch that at all).
I personally like Zutara in fanon but I don't see it going anywhere in canon.
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:36 pm
Princess Mandy a30993 ... HP!!!!! We need you!!!! Whenever someone does something like this, you always run for HP. Why don't you ever speak up?
Because HP RAWKS lol, but I liked some of the point of views, someof them sucked. Personally, I can't pick a shipping anymore.. IDK which one.. the creaters both put out hints for both relationships.
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:26 pm
The Avatar Returns: If I remember correctly, the basic idea of that scene was that Zuko was going to do whatever it took to capture the Avatar, even harm or possibly destroy the entire water tribe village, so we can assume that he has no conscious respect for ANY of the residents. The only reason why Zuko addressed Katara in particular is that he saw she was girl, standing within close range of himself, and younger than he was, so he inferred that she would be easier to intimidate than Kana, and would therefor tell him what he wanted.
Episode 6, Imprisoned: Zuko may be thinking of Katara as well as how to capture Aang, but only because he's made the connection that it's Katara's necklace and Katara is in the Avatar's party.
Episode 9, The Waterbending Scroll: You said that Katara is rational, and that's true. Katara is sensible enough to know that freaking out isn't going to help her in that situation, and so she's acting calm.
Episode 10, Jet: Except that Aang isn't secretly about to wipe out an entire village of people; he actually IS a good guy. x_x; I'd say what Katara really learned was that, "there's more than meets the eye." And while that could be applied to Zutara, it doesn't suggest that Katara shouldn't choose Aang. If the episode even says anything about Katara and Aang's realtionship, it strengthens the idea of Kataang.
Episode 16, The Deserter: That's true, but only if you're thinking about it A LOT. Katara's physical and emotional "healing" can also be applied to Aang when he's in the Avatar state.
Episode 18, The Waterbending Master: Katara and Zuko are both strong personalities, but so is Toph and even Jet. I don't think any romantic symbolism was intended in the fight.
Epsiode 19, Siege of the North, Part 1: But do people generally try to physically harm their crushes? I believe the initial idea was that they were fighting to beat eachoher. D:
Episode 20, Siege of the North, Part 2: It's made quite clear what Zuko is thinking about in the cave because he's talking to (the unconcious) Aang about it, and he never once mentions Katara. Later in the episode, before Zuko and Katara fight, they only exchange 2 sentences. This doesn't even count as a conversation, much less as proof of the two being comfortable with eachother. And then, after Katara beat Zuko, may I point out that she was just as ready as Sokka to leave him there in the snow. The only person in the situation that insisted they not leave Zuko to die was Aang.
Episode 21, The Avatar State: Not wanting to see someone else in pain is a universal sign of romantic AS WELL as motherly love. I would consider it pretty strange for a girlfriend to tell her boyfriend that seeing him in pain DIDN'T bother her, wouldn't you? The line was obviously a strong hint at Kataang, not Zutara.
Episode 26, The Blind Bandit: ... What? o_o;
Episode 28, The Chase: The expression on her face in one screenshot can be interpreted many different ways and is a minute and ultimately insignificant detail. The whole side story of the episode is that Katara and Toph are in a fight. Katara is always sarcastic with Sokka.
Episode 29, Bitter Work: Once again, a chracter's facial expression in a few frames can be interpreted in different ways. I believe someone in another topic responded to this same argument saying that, to her, Zuko looked more like he was cringing. I also feel that he looked as if he was cringing.
I'm not entirely against Zutara, it's just not likely to happen. Honestly, the only pairings I care about in Avatar are Longerbee and Yukka. D:
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:31 pm
Ultimatearthbender And here it all is Book One Episode 2, The Avatar Returns Zuko seems to be looking at Katara. Even though it's obvious that Kana is the leader, he speaks to Katara. Indicating that he has some respect for her. Showing that there could be a small bond between them, even though they just met. Or, maybe the hairloopies were a indication that Kana and Katara were related. Of course he'd demand something from Kana's relative. There's no bond. Only cold hard determinate to find the Avatar. Zuko could careless bout the water tribe in general. Episode 6, Imprisoned When Zuko finds Katara's necklace he seems to become distracted, gazing into the sunset. In other shows, books and indeed real-life, people who stare into the sunset are daydreaming, they are lost in thought and generally happy. Although he is probably thinking of ways to capture Aang, he is also thinking of Katara as he does so. And, before you fall for someone, you have to think about them..... You can't dictate that. Unless we ask Zuko what he was thinking, or delve into his mind at the time, you cannot dictate that Zuko fell for Katara. What's MORE he found the necklace, and figured it was from the peasants who were travelling with the Avatar. After all, it did have the Water Tribe insignia on it, and who would be the first people to pop into his mind? The travelling companions of his target. Episode 9, The Waterbending scroll Zuko is a lot more gentle with Katara than he was with Aang. And no, it's not just because she's a girl. Zuko has been around her long enough to know that, despite what he wants to think, that Katara and her brother aren't just tag along friends who are going to abandon Aang as soon as trouble comes. So he has absolutely no reason to be nice to her. After the first few moments of shock, Katara seems pretty relaxed. Showing that either A) she doesn't believe Zuko is a threat to her, or B) She's not completely sure about his character. It can't be the first, because everyone knows that Katara is more rational than that. The second on the other hand, means that, unlike most people who are convinced he's evil, she allows herself to doubt this.
Or, c) She wants to keep her skin from being charred and is quite the novice in adventure-taking so she keeps her mouth shut until she can think of a good plan to get away. Zuko was trying to get information about Aang via Katara. He couldn't beat her to a bloody pulp, and expect her to talk; he hasn't a clue how much strength or stamina the girl possesses. So, he appealed to her 'sensitive' side. Saying that he wasn't all that bad, and a bunch of rubbish like that. Episode 10, Jet Katara falls for Jet, who is seemingly a good guy. But, in the end, she finds out that he's quite the opposite. This could show that, to find the right guy for her, Katara will have to look beyond the obvious choice (AKA. Aang). What? That makes no sense. I hated Jet from the begining. He gave me a horrible feeling. But, not EVERYTHING that involves Katara is foreshadowing of her bloody lovelife. First off, the Jet episode was to show that not everyone against the Fire Nation was good or sensible. Second, it gave Katara life experience, and know-how about what she wants and what she doesn't want in a man. Third, and foremost, it started to instill suspicion in Katara, so she could be careful of characters in the future instead of being a guillible twit. Episode 14, The Fortuneteller Aunt Wu predicts that Katara will marry a powerful bender, so immediately you think of Aang and Zuko. Then, she predicts that there is no love in Aang's future, this leaves Zuko (do the math). Yes, but Aunt Wu also said to Aang at the end that he is able to shape his destiny, as he shaped the clouds. The show is trying to get across a message by using this; did you totally blank out when Zuko went on about his 'destiny' to capture the Avatar and how Iroh told him it was a load of crock? The story has a reoccuring theme of "You destiny is shaped by YOU, it doesn't control you." Episode 15, Bato of the Water Tribe Jun says three times (roughly) that Katara was Zuko's girlfriend, and he never denied it. Also, he kept Katara's necklace around his wrist. He mostly keeps things in his belt (Like the waterbending scroll) but he wears Katara's necklace around his wrist. Showing that he's become quite attached to it, and he has to connect it to Katara (who could you not?) so therefore he could be feeling differently towards her than she, Aang, Sokka, Iroh and the rest of the world, would expect. Because Zuko is an impatient GIT and wants to find the Avatar ASAP. He doesn't care what a worthless bounty hunter says. And, of course he'll take care of the ONLY thing he has to track the Avatar by. If you forgot, the Avatar is his ticket home, and, as you said, he knows that Sokka and Katara will not abandon him. What better way to get to the Avatar than via his friend? Episode 16, The Deserter Katara discovers she can heal. If you look at the symbolism, you could conclude that Katara could heal Zuko's emotional scars. It's also very convenient that Zuko has a scar, and Katara can heal....... ZUKO NEEDS TO HEAL HIMSELF! It takes away from his freakin' character if he is healed by another. Haven't you noticed that Zuko is independant? He does things on his own. He tries to captured the Avatar by himself in the Season 1 finale, he tries to keep him and Uncle in the 'rich' life after they become outcats by being the Blue Spirit, and he travels alone for some time to learn lessons his own way, bcause he felt that Iroh had nothing left to teach him.
Zuko is a loner, and strong enough to get over his problems by himself. Episode 18, The Waterbending Master Alright, this might seem like complete rubbish, but this thought occurred to me. When Katara has to fight to prove she's worthy of Master Paku's respect and teaching, it reminded me of what Zuko had to go through with his father. Another thing they have in common. It could relate to Zuko's battle with his father, who he will eventually have to face, and perhaps Katara will be standing beside him, giving him the strength of he needs. Your'e right, that's rubbish. Katara fighting Pakku was to re-establish she's a kick-butt bender, and that she'd end up teaching Aang. After all, to become a master, she would have to beat a master herself. Episode 19, Siege of The North, part 1 During their fight, Zuko and Katara seem to be fighting their hardest, almost trying to prove something to the other. It's just a small idea, but generally guys (and girls) show off to the person they're crushing on. Zuko wants the bloody Avatar and Katara doesn't want Zuko to get his dirty hands on her beloved friend! Zuko probably doesn't even know Kataras name! How could he have a crush on her?
Also, later, Katara told Aang to leave Zuko in the freezing cold, where the firebender would most likely die. That's so not crushing. Episode 20, Siege of The North, part 2 In the cave with Aang, Zuko has, once again, gone into a daydream. He was probably thinking about how to get back to the Fire Nation. And possibly about Katara, he had just left her unconscious, and, whatever his father might say, Zuko has honor. So the fact that he just left an injured girl, alone, while the Fire navy was attacking, was probably weighing on his mind. You can see him staring into the distance, almost as if he wanted Katara to come, When they meet up again, Zuko and Katara speak as though they are comfortable with each other, even though they are about to do battle. Zuko had battled with Aang and Zhao, yet he has never acted comfortable with them, suggesting that there is something special about Katara. HE WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT KATARA. He was thinking about his home. He was thinking about how his quest was over, how he had the Avatar in his possession, and how he would get said Avatar back to a ship and how he would get back hom and into his father's good graces.
And did you miss sarcasm in Katara's voice maybe? Sometimes people act 'nice' to each other, and it's actually sarcasm. Book 2 Episode 1, The Avatar State Katara mentions to Aang how upsetting it is for her to see him in pain (It's a mother son relationship!). It is part of Katara's character to understand others, and to comfort them. So, Katara can obviously help Zuko. Katara canNOT help Zuko. Zuko must help himself. And, as a girl with a crush on a guy, I can vouch for Katara's concerns. She'd be a b***h if she wasn't upset at seeing her best friend, and potential crush, in pain. It's heart-wrenching to see someone you care about in pain, regardless of relationship.
Anyways, Katra is motherly, for the most part, to everyone. That's her basic genotype: she is caring. You can't be a hypocrit and say she can't care for Aang, but she can care for emo!Zuko. Tch. Episode 2 The Cave of Two Lovers. In my way of thinking, the story of Oma and Shu was more Zutara than Kataang. Two lovers, separated by war, The war isn't between water and air, but between fire and the other elements. Fire and Water. *headdesk* Oma and Shu were EARTHBENDERS. Say it with me, EARTHBENDERS. Firebenders, nor waterbenders, can make tunnels under a freakin' huge mountain!
Also, Katara offered to kiss Aang more than once in this episode. Zutara my buttcrack. Episode 6, The Blind Bandit Alright, this totally doesn't make sense, but hey, work with me. I just thought that the zutara shipping is all about breaking the mold, and going against what most people think should happen. Toph is going against her parents restrictions and assumptions, and Zuko and Katara will have to do the same (see? random, but I had to put it in there). Toph and Zuko have more in common. Both have eye problems, to an extent, both are (or in Zuko's case) was snarky. Both have problems with their parents, and both have tempers.
Anyways, Katara doesn't have to go against squat, because she's show now inclination to LIKING Zuko. -_-; Episode 7, Zuko Alone In this episode you find out about Zuko's relationship with his mother. This is very similar to Katara's situation. And I am sure that it was no accident. Few people in the show have much in common with Zuko, but, as the series progresses, more similarities are beginning to appear between him and Katara. Excuse me? FEW people have much in common with Zuko? Hahaha.
Zuko and Aang were both forced to grow up too quick. Aang lost everyone important to him, thanks to his 100 year sleep. Zuko lost the on person most importan to him, his mother. Both have been through trials galore, and both have save the other's hide at least once.
Zuko and Sokka. Both lost their mothers. Both are snarky. Both eat meat. Both have too many girls hounding for them. Both are warriors at heart. Both have sisters. Both are making their own lives a living nightmare because of their own decisions. Why don't we just ship Zukka?!
Zuko and Toph. Already delivered. Episode 8, The Chase I looked at a screenshot of when Katara suggested that it could be Zuko chasing them, and she looks like she's daydreaming, maybe she was thinking about Zuko? When Toph asks who Zuko was, Katara gets defensive, when Sokka insults him, Katara answers sarcastically, shutting Sokka up. Katara offers to heal Iroh. Alright, Katara's a kind person, but she offered the help to Zuko, who she considered an enemy. She didn't offer to help Zhao, or Azula, or anyone else the gang had fought against. Suggesting that she doesn't think of him the same way. Iroh was a marginally good guy who never, ever threatened her or her friends. Of course she'd offer to help him. Plus, ever hear of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'? Both Zuko and Iroh, and the Gaang are enemies of Azula, a bigger antagonist. All of them stood to fight against Azula. Zhao and Azula are huge enemies, and are malicious and horrid. Zuko is at least helping to fight against them.
Also, lookit the line up of how they attacked Azula. TOPH AND ZUKO stand side by side. AANG AND KATARA stand side by side. Isn't that a good bit of foreshadowing? No? Is it because it doesn't support Zutara? *snort* Episode 9, Bitter Work When Iroh is explaining balance to Zuko, and he moves onto water, Zuko face softens considerably. Showing that he has a soft spot for the element, or someone who uses that element. And the only water we know of that Zuko really knows is Katara. Zuko CRINGED; lookit his eye, not his mouth. It was a cringe. He was probably remembering how he yelled at the Water Tribe girl when she only offered to help Iroh. It was a prime example of what Iroh was trying to teach Zuko, and Zuko realized he was really unbalanced. Episode 15, Tales of Ba Sing Se My twisted little mind has managed to twist the whole Jinko thing into zutara, how? I don't know. It is impossible for Jinko to work out, because she doesn't know him, she believes him to be Lee, an earthbender, not the Prince of the Fire Nation. But it does work for zutara, if you tie it in with Crossroads of Destiny. Because, Katara does begin to understand Zuko, she has seen him at his worst, and can accept him despite that. She didn't think Li was an earthbender, first of. Second off, I'll maim the CROD evidence next. Episode 20, Crossroads of Destiny Ahh, the episode that left both Zutara and Kataang fans screaming at the screen. Well, sorry to disappoint you Kataang fans, but this Zutara shipper is NOT giving up. When Katara is thrown into the cave with Zuko, her reaction is, understandably, anger. Here is the man she thought was responsible for her being locked up, thrown in with her. As she rages, accusing him, Zuko, amazingly, stays cool, something he rarely does when someone challenges him. Then when Katara breaks down, Zuko turns, apologies, then tells her that that is something they have in common. Then, Katara apologies to him, look on her face shows that she is almost in pain about what she said. She then explains to him that, before, when she pictured the face of them enemy, she pictured his. This shows that she has thought about him. "My face, I see," Zuko answered, touching his scar. Katara immediately takes her words back, showing that she never really cared that much about the scar, but she does care about his feelings. Zuko interrupts her, then even more shockingly, explains that he now doesn't see his scar as a curse, like he used to, that he knows that it will always be with him, he can still chose his own path. Then Katara offers to heal his scar, using the water from the spirit oasis, which is probably one of the most valuable thing she owns. Zuko then lets her touch his scar, something we have never seen Iroh do, never mind anyone else. Then, in true avatar fashion, the moment is spoiled, but, if you look closely, you can see that Katara takes a step closer to Zuko, a new link has formed between the two. As Katara walks away with Aang, her eyes linger on Zuko, while Zuko glares at Aang, angry. *Deep breath* Katara offered to heal Zuko's scar because of the one moment of empathy they shared. IT also reintroduced the oasis water, which would be used on Aang later. Zuko only ALLOWED Katara to touch his scar because she offered to heal it, and it reminded him of his mother, probably. What do mothers do? THey heal boo-boos.
So, really, Katara is being motherly towards Zuko more than she's ever been 'motherly' towards Aang in this instance.
Also, if Katara even liked Zuko at all, she wouldn't have gone running into Aang's arms when Aang came in. She completely and utterly forgot about Zuko. Explain that to me if she was so interested in him. When Zuko choses Azula over Iroh, I, like most zutara fans I know, began wondering what drugs the shows writers were on. Would anyone chose their psycho sister, who has said, on many occasions that you are worthless, and she has no need of you? The answer any logical person would come to is, hell no. So, their are only two possible reasons, Zuko's lost it, or he's planing to betray Azula. The big giveaway is that when Katara screamed, "I thought you'd changed" Zuko answers, "I have changed." he shows emotion, showing that, whatever it seemed when he was fighting Aang, his earlier emotions are still there, and, I think, in control. He can't mean that he's changed to hard core Fire Nation supporter, because, up until recently, he was. My view is that he means that he has finally got the concept that we all wanted him to get, his father is evil! Are you sure Zuko isn't talking about his change from maraginally good back to marginally evil when he says he changed? OMG, FOREIGN IDEA!
Anyways, the way I see it is, Zuko is going into the Fire Nation to see what happened to his mother. If not, then he's going to work to bring the Fire Nation down from the inside in little ways. He's not going to betray Azula, he's not going to full out join the Gaang. But, I can see him doing sneaky stuff to sabotage the Fire Nation.
And, even if he helped bring his father down, the Fire Nation as a whole won't stop the war. They believe they are superior benders. Why would they stop a war for a banished traitor? They wouldn't. They'd rear up and fight against him. So, there needs to be more plan to Zuko's choice. than betraying Azula, because he's not even strong enough to fight against her one-on-one. In the end, when Azula says, "You can restore your own honour" Zuko takes on a very determined, almost angry look. Suggesting that he knows that Azula is going to betray him, and he is going to beat her to the punch. He also looks slightly worried, because he could've caused the death of the avatar, and many people in Ba sing se will be oppressed, imprisoned and killed if he fails. Or, he could be determined to do whatever his mission is. Determined to defeat the Avatar. Determined to finally go home. Or maybe he had a wedgie. Who knows? We can't tell unless we are actually Zuko, or unless we pop into his brain for a spell. All your proof is speculation.
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:29 am
Hm~ It seems like both the kataangers and the zutarians are assuming things that they both don't have proof to. o:
The biggest point I have as far as 'proof' for zutara could work for kataang too: Zuko and Aang really seem to be foils of each other (Really, they both depend on the Avatar to reach their goal, they both have destinies they not only want but need, and now Aang maybe is forbidden from using his powers, and he may possibly have a scar where Azula nearly killed him. It may not be intentional, but it really seems quite possible to me.) Perhaps the crush Aang has shows that Zuko could possibly learn to like Katara too? Who knows. Both sides are all speculation.
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:06 am
VetorSwest Hm~ It seems like both the kataangers and the zutarians are assuming things that they both don't have proof to. o: The biggest point I have as far as 'proof' for zutara could work for kataang too: Zuko and Aang really seem to be foils of each other (Really, they both depend on the Avatar to reach their goal, they both have destinies they not only want but need, and now Aang maybe is forbidden from using his powers, and he may possibly have a scar where Azula nearly killed him. It may not be intentional, but it really seems quite possible to me.) Perhaps the crush Aang has shows that Zuko could possibly learn to like Katara too? Who knows. Both sides are all speculation. Kataang isn't so much speculation as it is taking into mind all their interaction. Katara and Aang have interacted more, and we've seen them protect each other. They've hugged multiple times, and Katara has kissed Aang at least two times. Both may have been on the cheek, but I think it kind of stands that Katara really likes Aang more than a friend. But, that's my opinion, since I see girls as easing into their feelings by showing more affection to the one they like. And, really, I think if Katara had any inkling of liking Zuko, she wouldn't have instantly left his side to go hug Aang in Crossroads of Destiny. Or, it's just a definite that she likes Aang more than Zuko.
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:02 am
Eruden Ki VetorSwest Hm~ It seems like both the kataangers and the zutarians are assuming things that they both don't have proof to. o: The biggest point I have as far as 'proof' for zutara could work for kataang too: Zuko and Aang really seem to be foils of each other (Really, they both depend on the Avatar to reach their goal, they both have destinies they not only want but need, and now Aang maybe is forbidden from using his powers, and he may possibly have a scar where Azula nearly killed him. It may not be intentional, but it really seems quite possible to me.) Perhaps the crush Aang has shows that Zuko could possibly learn to like Katara too? Who knows. Both sides are all speculation. Kataang isn't so much speculation as it is taking into mind all their interaction. Katara and Aang have interacted more, and we've seen them protect each other. They've hugged multiple times, and Katara has kissed Aang at least two times. Both may have been on the cheek, but I think it kind of stands that Katara really likes Aang more than a friend. But, that's my opinion, since I see girls as easing into their feelings by showing more affection to the one they like. And, really, I think if Katara had any inkling of liking Zuko, she wouldn't have instantly left his side to go hug Aang in Crossroads of Destiny. Or, it's just a definite that she likes Aang more than Zuko. Ah, but once again, we don't really know Katara's feelings, and, like I said, if she does like Aang, there's the whole foil thing. Lotsa what you used to disprove may or may not be true (And, same goes for what the dude who made this thread used as 'proof')~ who knows for sure? Arguing'll just prove my point. Both sides have 'evidence' to a point, kataang may have more 'interaction' and zutara may have more 'symbolism', but until we know which the creators value more, both sides are assuming things they can't. (: edit: And sorry if that sounded weird, I just got back from watching Sphere, so a whole bunch of weird psychological things are going through my mind. x33; The movie wasn't as good as the book though...but I'm going off topic. xD
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:28 am
VetorSwest Eruden Ki VetorSwest Hm~ It seems like both the kataangers and the zutarians are assuming things that they both don't have proof to. o: The biggest point I have as far as 'proof' for zutara could work for kataang too: Zuko and Aang really seem to be foils of each other (Really, they both depend on the Avatar to reach their goal, they both have destinies they not only want but need, and now Aang maybe is forbidden from using his powers, and he may possibly have a scar where Azula nearly killed him. It may not be intentional, but it really seems quite possible to me.) Perhaps the crush Aang has shows that Zuko could possibly learn to like Katara too? Who knows. Both sides are all speculation. Kataang isn't so much speculation as it is taking into mind all their interaction. Katara and Aang have interacted more, and we've seen them protect each other. They've hugged multiple times, and Katara has kissed Aang at least two times. Both may have been on the cheek, but I think it kind of stands that Katara really likes Aang more than a friend. But, that's my opinion, since I see girls as easing into their feelings by showing more affection to the one they like. And, really, I think if Katara had any inkling of liking Zuko, she wouldn't have instantly left his side to go hug Aang in Crossroads of Destiny. Or, it's just a definite that she likes Aang more than Zuko. Ah, but once again, we don't really know Katara's feelings, and, like I said, if she does like Aang, there's the whole foil thing. Lotsa what you used to disprove may or may not be true (And, same goes for what the dude who made this thread used as 'proof')~ who knows for sure? Arguing'll just prove my point. Both sides have 'evidence' to a point, kataang may have more 'interaction' and zutara may have more 'symbolism', but until we know which the creators value more, both sides are assuming things they can't. (: edit: And sorry if that sounded weird, I just got back from watching Sphere, so a whole bunch of weird psychological things are going through my mind. x33; The movie wasn't as good as the book though...but I'm going off topic. xD Yes, we can't prove anything, but we can surmise from our own feelings and from Katara's character what she feels and why. Yes, it's speculation, but using facial expressions, blushes, and how much she obviously cares for Aang that's more than enough to show me she has the kindlings of a crush on him. But, really, do you think if Katara even liked Zuko in the slightest, romantically, do you think she would've left his side so quickly in Crossroads of Destiny? Or, what's more, why didn't she heal his scar? She could've gone back to heal it, but she never did. And, she even looked back at him, so the scar should've triggered a reminder to what she was doing a few moments ago. But, again, my opinion. XD I think most of the Zutara 'symbolism' is just looking too far into a situation, or taking the basic moral of the story and twisting it.
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:52 pm
Butterfly Nebula I do not agree with any of your points. Any of them. I read through them all. The only one that I gave some thought to was the one from Bato of the Water Tribe. I've only seen that episode once, and it was a couple of months ago, so it's not exactly fresh in my mind. I'm not sure if your claims are true (especially about the necklace around his wrist thing, I didn't catch that at all). I personally like Zutara in fanon but I don't see it going anywhere in canon. Yeah. It was on his wrist.
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