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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:18 pm
This family consists of: 2CB 2CC 2CD 2CE 2CG 2CG3 2CG5 2CGN 2CI 2CN 2CP 2CSE 2CT 2CT2 2CT4 2CT7 2CT8 2CT9 2CT13 2CT15 2CT17 2CT21
It's a big family.
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:20 pm
BASICS:
2-C-B (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2cb/2cb_basics.shtml)
2C-B is a synthetic psychedelic that first gained popularity as a legal Ecstasy replacement in the mid 1980s. It is generally considered to be somewhat 'gentler' than LSD or mushrooms, being less prone to catalyzing dissociated freak-outs or overwhelming panic attacks at normal recreational doses. 2C-B is also known for the strong body component of its effects which are alternately described as pleasurable energy or a 'sense of being in the body', and by others as an unpleasant 'buzzing' or body-load.
2C-B is still sometimes sold as "ecstasy", although this is rare because it is actively sought by many users for its unique effects. 2C-B is sometimes chosen for use in psychedelic psychotherapy because its short duration and less 'pushy' character. [ Main 2C-B Vault ]
Dose A standard oral dose of 2C-B is between 10 and 40 mg. It is most frequently found in either powder or (small) pill form. Pills have commonly contained 5 mg, though this varies. 2C-B is also sometimes snorted for a shorter experience with quicker onset. Snorted doses are about 1/3 that of an oral dose and are legendarily painful. Underground market 2C-B has historically been of high quality because it has generally been sold to a relatively exclusive market of knowledgeable buyers.
Price 2C-B is often sold at ecstasy prices at clubs & parties, from 10-30$ per 'dose' (usually 15-25mg). Purchased in large quantities it sells for 200-500$ per gram at retail levels or 100-300$ per gram at wholesale prices. (August 2000)
Law 2C-B is illegal to possess and sell in the United States (schedule I) and in most other countries. 2C-B was scheduled in the U.S. in 1993 and in most other countries between 1994 and 1998.
Chemistry 4-Bromo-2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine (2C-B) is a synthetic chemical in the phenethylamine class. It is related structurally to mescaline, DOB, and distantly to MDMA.
History 2C-B was first synthesized by Alexander Shulgin in 1974 while exploring homologues of DOB. Its psychoactivity was first discovered on June 25, 1975 by Dr. Shulgin who described it as "beautifully active". 2C-B was marketed in the late 1980s as an MDMA replacement after Ecstasy was scheduled in 1985. It was added to schedule I in the U.S. in 1994 and by 1999, it was illegal in most of the world.
Slang The Substance: 2C-B, Nexus, Bees The Experience: Tripping, To See Bees
EFFECTS
Onset Depending on how much and how recently one has eaten, oral 2C-B generally takes 45-75 minutes to take effect. On a full stomach, onset can be considerably slower.
Duration The primary effects of 2C-B last approximately 4-6 hours when taken orally. For many people there is an additional period of time (2-4 hrs) where it is difficult to go sleep but where mood and mind-set are mostly back to baseline. The day-after effects of 2C-B are relatively mild, with most users reporting little to no lingering negative effects.
The Experience In the beginning stages of onset, 2C-B is likely to cause a sort of indefinable feeling similar to anticipation or anxiety. There may be a feeling of energy in the body, and the sense that things are different than usual. As the effects intensify, a wide variety of perceptual changes may occur; pupil dilation, visual patterning and movement, mental stimulation, new perspectives, feelings of insight, emotional shifts (mood lift or introspection), anxiety and confusion. Many people find that the effects of 2C-B are more subtle or manageable than those of other psychedelics, allowing the user to more easily approach baseline thinking during the experience. Unlike some other psychoactives, many people find themselves able to eat shortly after peak effects subside. Closed-eye visuals are quite common with 2C-B. Open-eye visual patterning, color-shifts, and wavering or moving vision are common for many people and are more likely at higher doses
PROBLEMS Many users do not enjoy the effects of 2C-B because of its unpleasant body effects or 'body load'. Unpleasant stomach effects, gastro-intestinal distress (diarrhea, cramps & gas) are not uncommon. There are also several reports of allergic type reactions causing increased mucus production, occasionally this results in coughing as mucus gathers in the windpipe and lungs.
Other possible negative effects include anxiety and unwanted or frightening thoughts and visions. 2C-B, though significantly lesser common than with LSD, can precipitate strong, temporary changes in an individual's experience of life and reality. It can be a powerful psychoactive experience, especially at higher doses, which is significantly affected by experiences, set and setting. Recent experiences, especially strong ones, can have a substantial effect on a trip. Physically or psychologically unsettling events in the days before a trip can blossom into more serious distress and trauma while tripping. It is important to be prepared for the possibility of encountering difficult or frightening mental states. The Psychedelic Crisis FAQ addresses some of the issues involved in dealing with a difficult trip.
Addiction Potential 2C-B is neither physically addicting nor likely to cause psychological dependance. As with all substances, some people will use it more frequently than they are comfortable with. There is a short period of tolerance after 2C-B use. Using 2C-B two days in a row is likely to lead to a diminished experience the second day, though spaced 5-7 or more days apart, this effect is nearly non-existent.
Contraindications
Do not take 2C-B if you are currently taking an MAOI. MAOIs are most commonly found in the prescription anti-depressants Nardil (phenelzine), Parnate (tranylcypromine), Marplan (isocarboxazid), Eldepryl (l-deprenyl), and Aurorex or Manerix (moclobemide). Ayahuasca also contains MAOIs (harmine and harmaline). 2C-B and MAOIs are a potentially dangerous combination. Check with your doctor if you are not sure whether your prescription medication is an MAOI.
Do not operate heavy machinery. Do Not Drive.
If you have a seizure or convulsive disorder or heart problems, you may be at higher risk for health problems when taking 2C-B. Diabetics should monitor their blood sugar closely as there have been some reports of problems.
Individuals currently in the midst of emotional or psychological upheaval in their everyday lives should be careful about choosing to use psychedelics such as 2C-B as they can trigger even more difficulty.
Individuals with a family history of schizophrenia or early onset mental illness should be extremely careful because psychedelics have been known to trigger latent psychological and mental problems.
2-C-I (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ci/2ci_basics.shtml)
2C-I is a phenethylamine somewhat similar in effects to 2C-B. It became available on the grey markets in 2002, but distribution dropped off after a series of DEA busts in 2004 and the prosecutions of vendors selling research chemicals for recreational use. It is available primarily in powder form--though some pressed tablets have been seen--and is generally taken orally. [ Main 2C-I Vault ]
Dose A standard oral dose of 2C-I is between 10-25 mg. Recent reports suggest that 2C-I is just slightly more potent than 2C-B (slightly less material needed for the same level of effects).
Law 2C-I is an uncontrolled substance in the United States meaning that possession is not specifically illegal. It is possible that possession and sales could be prosecuted under the Federal Analog Act though we are unaware of any such existing cases. 2C-I is scheduled in Germany and Denmark, but not in the European Union (EU).
Chemistry 2,5-Dimethoxy-4-Iodophenethylamine (2C-I) is a synthetic chemical phenethylamine related structurally to 2C-B.
Production The bulk of available 2C-I is primarily produced by experienced chemists in commercial labs.
History 2C-I first gained public awareness after the publication of PiHKAL by Alexander & Ann Shulgin.
Slang The Substance: 2C-I The Experience: tripping
EFFECTS
Onset Depending on how much and how recently the user has eaten, oral 2C-I takes between 45-75 minutes to take effect. On a full stomach, onset can be considerably slower.
Duration The primary effects of 2C-I last approximately 5-8 hours when taken orally.
PROBLEMS
Contraindications
Do not take 2C-I if you are currently taking an MAOI. MAOIs are most commonly found in the prescription anti-depressants Nardil (phenelzine), Parnate (tranylcypromine), Marplan (isocarboxazid), Eldepryl (l-deprenyl), and Aurorex or Manerix (moclobemide). Ayahuasca also contains MAOIs (harmine and harmaline). 2C-I and MAOIs are a potentially dangerous combination. Check with your doctor if you are not sure whether your prescription medication is an MAOI.
Do not operate heavy machinery. Do Not Drive.
Individuals currently in the midst of emotional or psychological upheaval in their everyday lives should be careful about choosing to use psychedelics such as 2C-I as they can trigger even more difficulty.
Individuals with a family history of schizophrenia or early onset mental illness should be extremely careful because psychedelics have been known to trigger latent psychological and mental problems.
2-C-T-7 (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ct7/2ct7_basics.shtml)
2C-T-7 is a psychedelic phenethylamine developed by Alexander Shulgin around 1980. The effects of 2C-T-7 share some general similarities with LSD & 2CB, with its length of action more like that of LSD. A research chemical market has recently been created around its recreational, therapeutic, and entheogenic uses. While most of the chemicals in its class are not known to cause acute physical dangers, 2C-T-7's safety profile for wide use is not well known nor researched. As with all new chemicals, it is difficult to be certain what the variety of reactions to the substance will be and the reports of use so far have a lot of conflicting and confusing elements, including duration, physical stimulation, dosage, etc.
Dose A standard oral dose of 2C-T-7 is between 10 - 50 mg. It is generally found in powder form although it is also produced and sold in pill format, most recently at 7 mg per tablet. Insufflated doses are considerably lower. Users should be extremely careful with dosages as 2C-T-7 can cause unexpected delerium and dissociation at high doses. Price Rare, but sometimes sold at parties for 5-20$ per dose, available from exotic chemical suppliers for 375-450$ per gram, about the same from underground suppliers. (August 2000)
Law 2C-T-7 is was placed in Schedule I by emergency order of the DEA on September 20, 2002. This makes it illegal to buy, sell, or possess in the United States without a DEA license. Although Sweden controls 2C-T-7, we are not aware of any other countries that specifically list it as illegal to possess or sell.
Chemistry 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(n)-propylthiophenethylamine (2C-T-7) is a synthetic chemical in the phenethylamine class. It is related structurally to 2C-B and Mescaline.
History 2C-T-7's chemistry was first published in Alexander Shulgin's book PiHKAL in 1991. It was produced underground in college labs and by small commercial research labs until the late 1990's when it began being produced and sold commercially around the world.
Slang The Substance: 2C-T-7, T7, Beautiful The Experience: tripping
EFFECTS
Onset Depending on how much and how recently one has eaten, 2C-T-7 generally takes 1-2.5 hours to take effect. On a full stomach, onset can be considerably slower than normal.
Duration 2C-T-7's primary effects can last as long as 10-12 hours, with after effects for another 4-6 hours.
The Experience 2C-T-7's effects are unique but classically psychedelic, with some general similarities to LSD & 2C-B. 2C-T-7's effects can include psychedelic visuals (patterning, light sensitivity, color enhancement, etc), mood lift, empathogenesis, anxiety or calmness, emotional volatility, increased sociability, associative / psychedelic ideation, etc. Some users have report unexpected and disconcerting dissociation at high doses. Relatively prominent visuals are common with 2C-T-7 and at higher doses the visuals can overwhelm the visual field creating a 'psychedelic soup'.
PROBLEMS The most common problems reported by 2C-T-7 users appear to be nausea, vomiting, unpleasant dissociation, and overwhelming visuals at high doses. As with most psychedelics, there is also the possibility of anxiety or panic attacks. In a few higher dose cases, severe dissociation has been reported where the user experienced loss of memory, mental confusion, and extreme inability to deal with real-world situations while fully physically functional. Some reports include the user becoming unusually enraged and violent. This can lead to potentially dangerous situations if an individual is left unsupervised. Heavy dissociation and vomiting can be a life-threatening combination. At least 3 deaths have been reported (April 2001).
Fatalities / Toxicity There have been 3 deaths which have been tied directly to 2C-T-7. The exact mechanism of death is not yet known, but it is beginning to appear that some direct pharmacological effect may be responsible (rather than an indirect effect such as aspirating vomit). There have been no formal evaluations of the Toxicity of 2C-T-7 that we're aware of.
Addiction Potential 2C-T-7 is neither physically addicting nor likely to cause psychological dependance. As with all substances, some people will use it more frequently than they are comfortable with. There is a short period of tolerance after 2C-T-7 use. Using 2C-T-7 two days in a row is likely to lead to a diminished experience the second day, though spaced 5-7 or more days apart, this effect is nearly non-existent.
Contraindications
Do not take 2C-T-7 if you are currently taking an MAOI. MAOIs are most commonly found in the prescription anti-depressants Nardil (phenelzine), Parnate (tranylcypromine), Marplan (isocarboxazid), Eldepryl (l-deprenyl), and Aurorex or Manerix (moclobemide). Ayahuasca also contains MAOIs (harmine and harmaline). 2C-T-7 and MAOIs are a potentially dangerous combination. Check with your doctor if you are not sure whether your prescription medication is an MAOI.
Do not operate heavy machinery. Do Not Drive.
If you have a seizure or convulsive disorder or heart problems, you may be at higher risk for health problems when taking 2C-T-7. Diabetics should monitor their blood sugar closely as there have been some reports of problems.
Individuals currently in the midst of emotional or psychological upheaval in their everyday lives should be careful about choosing to use psychedelics such as 2C-T-7 as they can trigger even more difficulty.
Individuals with a family history of schizophrenia or early onset mental illness should be extremely careful because psychedelics have been known to trigger latent psychological and mental problems.
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:22 pm
EFFECTS:
2C-B (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2cb/2cb_effects.shtml)
The effects of 2C-B have been described as a cross between the effects of LSD and MDMA, but that it is nothing like a combination of the two. It is mildly psychedelic, much less mind-expanding or disassociative than mushrooms or LSD, but much less directed than MDMA.
2C-B includes Open Eye Visual (OEV) effects which are usually described as crawling, shifting, or undulating, or cartooning. Closed Eye Visuals (CEVs) are present and increase with dosage. Many report a 'color shift' where objects seem to have red / green halos around them.
2C-B has a large 'body' component which some describe as "body tripping." Shulgin and others say that 2C-B can bring body-issues forward or make them more prominent and, in this way, some people say it can be a self-diagnostic tool for body work. Many, but not all, people experience stomach discomfort sometimes including mild diarhea, gas, nausea and (rarely) vomiting. One user has reported a very a recurrent effect of increased mucus production at the base of the trachea, causing constant coughing during the effects of 2c-b, pseudoephedrine seems to clear this up.
In general, 2C-B has a somewhat 'positive' mood push as well as a mild stimulant effect, but it is far less stimulating and far less forcefully positive than MDMA. Some people find they can sleep once the peak is over (about 60-90mins after the effects start).
Most people experience 2C-B as being much 'lighter' on their body than MDMA with far less 'crash' and much less physically draining. It is also not as 'easy' as MDMA, in that it is more of a 'true' psychedelic -- allowing the users mind to become manifest and create the experience instead of being 'pushed' into a positive mood space as MDMA usually does.
Some people find the stimulating and body effects to combine in a way that is sensual or sexual and Shulgin has said that if an effective aphrodisiac is every discovered, it will probably be patterned after 2C-B. Many people, however, find it very un-sexy with the body effects being experienced as somewhat disquieting.
Some people find 2C-B increases their ability to communicate verbally, while others find themselves unable to elucidate their ideas clearly. Some people describe a type of confusion that can be part of the experience, a type of 'stoned' feeling of mental and physical relaxation or floppiness which can translate in inability or lack of desire to go into complex intellectual processes.
2C-B at medium and low doses has the interested character that it is often quite easy to move into and out of -- that going from feeling very involved in the experience to feeling quite 'sober' can be very fast and sometimes unexpected. Some people describe 2C-B as being more 'plastic' or 'malleable' than other psychedelics because one can learn to manipulate the depth of the effects.
2C-B can be used in some of the same ways MDMA is used for working through interpersonal issues and dealing with emotional conflicts.
'Inappropriate' smiling or giggling is common with 2C-B and other psychedelics.
As with all psychedelics, many people experience the coming up period as being somewhat cold and shivery.
As dose increases, the chance for feelings of fear and uncertainty increase.
As with other entheogens, it is unsafe to drive or use dangerous equipment with 2C-B because it effects attention span, visual acuity, concentration, and coordination. If you work with 2C-B, plan your entheogen experiences carefully and think ahead so you don't ever find yourself needing to drive during the experience.
2C-C (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2cc/2cc_effects.shtml)
2C-C is a psychedelic phenethylamine, with dosage and effects similar, but not identical, to those of 2C-B. Some users report similarities with other psychedelics such as LSD.
2C-E (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ce/2ce_effects.shtml)
POSITIVE sense of well-being (enhanced lucidity, sense of inner peace) increase in energy (stimulation) increase in associative & creative thinking increased awareness and appreciation of music increased awareness of senses increased tactile sensations visual patterning, closed and open eye visuals insight into personal issues profound life-changing spiritual experiences NEUTRAL general change in consciousness (as with most psychoactives) pupil dilation difficulty focusing, restlessness change in perception of time slight increase in body temperature slight increase in heart rate NEGATIVE muscle tension and aching jaw tension increased perspiration gastrointestinal discomfort, nausea and vomiting dizziness, confusion over-awareness & over-sensitization to music and noise paranoia, fear unwanted life-changing spiritual experiences possible difficulty integrating experiences
2C-T-7 (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ct7/2ct7_effects.shtml)
POSITIVE sense of well-being (enhanced lucidity, sense of inner peace) emotional opening significant closed and open eye visuals increased appreciation of music NEUTRAL general change in consciousness (as with most psychoactives) pupil dilation change in perception of time visual hallucinations aural hallucinations NEGATIVE nausea and vomiting muscle tension irritating body load muscle tremors and/or convulsions memory loss (at higher doses) delerium (at higher doses) (potentially dangerous) violent behavior (at higher doses) death
2C-T-7 Overdoses & Delerium # A handful of reports of 2C-T-7 overdoses (non life threatening) have come through in the last 4 months and it is extremely important to realize that 2C-T-7 is a powerful psychedelic with a dose-response profile that makes it very easy to take way too much. Some users have recently reported either taking themselves to the hospital or being taken to the emergency room from 2C-T-7 alone. Users who have taken as little as 10mg orally have reported being overwhelmed with anxiety and discomfort, while some users who have snorted 15mg or taken 30mg or more orally report being completely overwhelmed by the intensity of the experience. These users report becoming frightened for their health, completely dissociated (forgetting who they are, where they are, that they've ingested a chemical), experiencing intense and frightening body pains (stomach & muscle cramps), becoming unable to see because of the intensity of the visuals, becoming beligerent, etc. This is especially worrisome with 2C-T-7 because the effects last so long and high dose users often wander around and get themselves in trouble in public by being completely incapable of taking care of themselves.
Many users of 2C-T-7 are most familiar with the effects of ecstasy and it's very important to realize that 2C-T-7 is very unlike ecstasy and can often lead to difficult, intense, and overwhelmingly confusing experiences which are much safer and more useful when taken in a safe, private context with a sitter or therapist. This is not ecstasy. Please be extremely careful with this research chemical, measure it very carefully, and do not eyeball doses.
Notes on Snorting 2C-T-7 (Not Recommended) # There's been quite a bit of discussion about snorting 2C-T-7 partially because of the reported deaths in combination with some of the dramatic and severe overdose reactions people have had. In Erowid's Fall 2000 2C-T-7 survey, conducted by Murple, one surprising result was that people reported that they snorted 2C-T-7 in order to reduce side effects, but actually ended up experiencing greater side effects, on average, than people who ingested it orally (see Murple's writeup).
Using the pure powdered 2C-T-7 causes most users intense discomfort and is very likely to be bad for the sinuses. As with other snortables, this will lead to more serious problems if used chronicly. Unlike Cocaine or Ketamine, 2C-T-7 causes intense burning pain which lasts 5-15 minutes before it begins to fade, leaves an unpleasant drip that permeates the experience, and can lead to sinus and throat infections in some people. This is similar to the experiences reported when other 2C- compounds are snorted. Most users contacted by Erowid said they would not repeat snorting 2C-T-7 because of the increased side effects and accidental overdoses.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:52 pm
2CE is about the only one that is close to being able to be found around here.
My friend did it Once and said it was amazing.
I do intend to find it somehow sometime soon now that I have a job.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:24 pm
I've had experience with 2C-B. It was like flipping without needing two things. Great trails and wonderful visuals all at once.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:35 am
Just had a wonderful weekend of two days of 2CB. Wonderful times with wonderful music and wonderful people.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:38 am
What The? never heard of this stuff before...but then again i just stick to the chronic. hmmm i am intrigued, i deserve to try everything at least once razz
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:39 am
If only one could take photos of what you see on trips... I can only imagine your scrapbook! ^^
Big rave, was it? Or a smaller party?
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:14 pm
faolan If only one could take photos of what you see on trips... I can only imagine your scrapbook! ^^
Big rave, was it? Or a smaller party? Two days long, over 100 DJs (one of the few places that I actually take drugs at even if I drovve myself because by the time I leave Sunday I'm sober), I think they got 3K people.
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:26 am
The 2C's are research chemicals. There are plenty other kinds of research chemicals as well. Some far more intense than others. God, I wish I knew where to find 'em.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:32 am
2CE was kind of a big thing in my town a few years ago. Everyone was doing it all the time. We were snorting it, though. A couple of my friends parachuted it, but most everyone was doing lines. Oh gawd, the burning burning_eyes . It feels like your nose is literally melting right off your face, I remember holding my nose with tears just pouring out. I do not recommend putting it in your nose. But it kicks in within minutes that way. Like, five minutes and you need to be peeled off the ceiling.
It's my favorite trip, after mushrooms. I don't remember any great insights or any urge to "figure things out" like I usually get on psychedelics. I was happy coloring with oil pastels and finger paints or just walking around town. I really don't recall any bad effects, except the last time my scalp felt really tight, but by that point I was doing it almost every day for a couple/few weeks so I was about done with it anyway.
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:34 pm
Disgorge The 2C's are research chemicals. There are plenty other kinds of research chemicals as well. Some far more intense than others. God, I wish I knew where to find 'em. biggrin 2C-B is crap, skip it. -I is neat if you like E. Some of the sulfide substituted ones are nifty, but quite frankly, 2C-P is where it's at.
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:33 pm
i have read about them alot on erowid but it impossible to find where i live. i wish i were a chemist. i did HS chem but calculating the # of atoms in a given amount is really difficult.
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