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This is what he and I said to each other exactly, when he got banned. I would color it, but it would be much too hard for me. I spoke more harshly here then I recapped in the announcement, but so did he. Frankly I thought I had an obligation to protect him from his own words. I don't really feel that now. The truth stands for itself.

[00:48] joshthedude52: What have you been doing for the guild?
[00:48] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: I check it daily for posts I can comment in without being an a*****e
[00:50] joshthedude52: Which is how many?
[00:50] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: a couple
[00:51] joshthedude52: Sam, are you aware of the impression you make on people?
[00:51] joshthedude52: Are you aware of the impact?
[00:51] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: Some what
[00:51] joshthedude52: How many people in the guild actually like you?
[00:51] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: not sure
[00:52] joshthedude52: What do you think of Pagentry?
[00:53] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: she is alright
[00:53] joshthedude52: How is she as a mod?
[00:53] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: pretty well
[00:54] joshthedude52: Sam, what would you do if you had a subordinate who had no respect for you, didn't do significant work, and made an enemy of everyone they talked to.
[00:55] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: Well I would talk to them
[00:55] joshthedude52: And say what?
[00:56] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: Ask them why they arent doing their job and how could they improve on it
[00:56] joshthedude52: And if you didn't think that would work?
[00:56] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: I would fire them
[00:56] joshthedude52: Ok.
[00:58] joshthedude52: Sam, do you think you should keep your job?
[00:58] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: I knew you were gonna try to pull this BS and you dont have the power to get rid of me
[00:59] joshthedude52: Why not?
[00:59] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: I talked with Lobo and his says he will keep me a Mod
[00:59] joshthedude52: When?
[01:00] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: A week ago
[01:00] joshthedude52: Ah.
[01:00] joshthedude52: We've talked since then.
[01:01] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: Oh? and he told you could fire me?
[01:01] joshthedude52: Sam, you say things which aren't true. You manipulate people and have no respect. You don't do anything of value to offset that.
[01:02] joshthedude52: Out of everyone I've talked to, they all say get rid of you.
[01:02] joshthedude52: Lobo agrees if you are causing harm to the guild you shouldn't be where you are.
[01:02] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: Im the only who actuely did my orginal Job
[01:02] joshthedude52: Which is?
[01:03] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: The Kinetics subform
[01:03] joshthedude52: Sam, I invite you to take a look at the member lists, and then the post count. After that, feel free to insult my work ethic.
[01:04] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: yes and Im 5th in post count
[01:05] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: And do you know how many people I have helped?
[01:05] joshthedude52: No, tell me.
[01:05] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: I get daily atleast one person IMing me needing help
[01:05] joshthedude52: Like who? from where? about what?
[01:06] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: Mostly its about energy problems or that they are looking for a teacher
[01:06] joshthedude52: Like who?
[01:07] joshthedude52: from our guild?
[01:10] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: anlbstar, sonicbrewer, sonicbrewer, jp101993, evilkinara
[01:10] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: most of those are from the guild
[01:10] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: I dont know becuase I dont ask
[01:11] joshthedude52: Have them write me up some letters about it. Send them to me and Lobo.
[01:11] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: alright
[01:11] joshthedude52: I'm taking you off of mod status. If you have a real case, I'll think about reinstatement.
[01:12] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: Your making a mistake
[01:12] joshthedude52: Deal with your life, get over your problems, and stop thinking everyone is an idiot.
[01:12] joshthedude52: Why?
[01:12] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: If you take my modship im leaving the guild and deleting all my posts
[01:14] joshthedude52: Very well.
[01:14] joshthedude52: I will consider that in your reinstatement arguement.
[01:15] joshthedude52: You are now banned.
[01:16] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: I demand my posts be removed from the guild
[01:16] joshthedude52: No.
[01:16] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: If I must I will contact gaia about the matter and legaly I have rights over my own work
[01:17] joshthedude52: Arguement from authority, it is a fallacy.
[01:17] joshthedude52: this is so public domain it's not even funny, and a captain can be as tyrannical as they want without violating the TOS
[01:17] joshthedude52: otherwise they can treat their members as badly as they want.
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[01:20] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: You need to remove my posts
[01:20] joshthedude52: Nope.
[01:20] joshthedude52: You don't care about the posts, Sam, you are upset you got kicked out and no one cares, which is why you threatened to leave.
[01:20] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: REMOVE MY POSTS
[01:21] joshthedude52: You have no leverage and you have no power. I'm sorry, you brought it on yourself.
[01:21] joshthedude52: Oh, wait, nevermind. I will now.
[01:21] joshthedude52: You have intimidated me into it.
[01:22] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: I dont care about being in the guild but I will not stand for my work in the guild
[01:22] joshthedude52: When you put it there, you surrendered it to Gaia and the guild.
[01:25] joshthedude52: Q: I am a member of a guild and I am having a conflict with the guild crew or captain. Can I have a moderator help me out?
A: No, Gaia moderators are not responsible for your guild politics. It is up to the guild crew how they want to handle internal conflicts. The sole exception is if the guild crew or captain is violating Gaia's TOS.

Q: A guild banned me for no reason, I wanna report them! -OR- The captain/crew are abusing their power, what do I do? -OR- The guild is really close to breaking the TOS, can I report them?
A: Guild crew can do whatever they want as long as they don't break the TOS, including banning you for no reason. Do not report a guild unless there is a TOS violation that the Guild refuses to take care of themselves.
[01:25] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: You are gonna regret doing this
[01:26] joshthedude52: Why?
[01:26] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: Lobo I know will bring me back
[01:26] joshthedude52: No. He won't.
[01:26] joshthedude52: Do you know what you've done to him? What your selfishness and greed have cost him?
[01:27] joshthedude52: Do you care? Most likely not.
[01:27] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: ******** you
[01:27] joshthedude52: Child.
[01:27] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: I taught him what I knew and what came of it is his own fault
[01:27] joshthedude52: it is what you taught, you knew, and you lied about is what did it.
[01:28] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: Im not selfish all I have ever done was teach
[01:28] joshthedude52: You blame him for your failures. You aren't fit to be a student, much less a teacher.
[01:28] joshthedude52: You just blamed Lobo immediately after you claimed he would get you right back in.
[01:28] joshthedude52: Saying you aren't selfish doesn't make it so.
[01:29] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: I did not blame him
[01:29] joshthedude52: what came of it is his own fault
[01:29] joshthedude52: his own fault
[01:29] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: Yes becuase it is
[01:29] joshthedude52: Leech.
[01:30] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: I didnt lie to him about anything expect what I came out and said was a lie
[01:30] joshthedude52: So you lied to him
[01:30] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: Yes and I asked for frogiveness from him
[01:30] joshthedude52: You broke his trust and shattered his foundation of reality.
[01:30] joshthedude52: Doesn't make it better.
[01:30] joshthedude52: The fact is you still did it.
[01:30] joshthedude52: He is obligated no mercy and you stand justly accused.
[01:31] zalchol@sbcglobal.net: I dont even know how you think you have authority over everyone but you dont
[01:32] *** "zalchol@sbcglobal.net" signed off at Tue May 29 01:32:08 2007.

Yeah, I can't say I expected much else. At this point, he just seems interested in making personal attacks. And that's not fun, considering they're not even witty. Well, we'll see if he's still interested in getting back in. I doubt it, besides the fact that this just kind of proves that he's still an arrogant a**. I don't know, I think trying to "get him back" is a lost cause. People don't change unless they want to. They can't change for other people, only themselves. And clearly he doesn't want to, nor is going to change. Not right now at least.

[On a side note, you can delete my post if you're still setting up the thread. I don't really care.]

You're fine. And that's what I thought as well. At this point, just like in the past, I think his apologies are just a cover for what he's done. I don't think he 's sorry, I don't think he cares. To everyone he has slighted, he meant to. To everyone he has taught, he probably made it up or twisted it. Again. To everyone he likes, be aware that he only treats you nicely when you feed his ego and agree with what he says. Try seriously questioning the validity of what he's saying, and he bristles. He has issues he refuses to get over and instead blame on others. I really hate to sound like the bad guy, but the truth is, Sam has chosen all of this, indirectly and even directly, by getting banned. He is pretty much a leech, hates me despite the times I've tried to help him (Mostly because he seems genuine when he says sorry, I agree to teach him something, he feels better about it, and goes back to absolute faith in himself and whatever he says. He fights me trying to teach him, I throw my hands up, I give up, and I become the a*****e for questioning him and putting him down. He doesn't deserve a leadership position and he doesn't deserve the goodwill of this guild.

I'm not sure which made me laugh more, that or the 1% human XD....

Geez...and I thought his angel stories were hard to swallow...

I'm sure I'm not the only one that's tired of hearing about him. Can't we all just agree that he's dead to us? It's good that you've posted how this all came about and such, but it's obvious that he doesn't want back in and few others want him back in.

I know I certainly don't want a "teacher" that acts like that.

Reading what he said caused me to twitch. and I'm now resisting the urge to go through and correct everything he said. >.<

I agree. Let's just leave it at he's stupid and dead. Oh, and that he has no hope to learn.