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Lovely Lady Leviathan

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:06 am


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Accually souls CAN die. Theres illnesses that can inflict a soul, and things that can harm it. if the core is shattered the spirit is shattered so thats also another problem, a spirits soul shattering so no longer being able to do something and thusly tecnically dead. Also theres a INCREDIBALLY rare and ILLEGAL ability called erasing thats an ability where a person knows how to use their energy in such a way they press it against a soul in a certin way and it flattens them out of existince. Its Illegal because of how horrible it is, consuming can be for hunger and shattering is something eventually unavoidable to come apon - weather it happens to you or not though would depend. Accually shards from different souls can sometimes collect together creating something like a chimera otherkin, lots of voices and the poor person probibly can get pretty confused. Theres lots of things that can happen with shards that create different affects. Then theres a form of earasing more far more uncommonly used then easing itself is where they using confrintation batween energy the person is against and the spirits energy being crushed against it to create a kind of crystal that can be used in magic. Both the tecnique and crystals are both illegal. I could probibly go on and on about this topic but any case...

A spirit can die or become ill or half dead.


Wait... how can it be ILLEGAL? Who's going to inforce and keep the law? How would someone even be capable of doing that? What would the penalty of said offence be? Who would catch you? How would they know it was YOU? ninja Sorry, I have massive amounts of questions usually. sweatdrop


So, since nobody is answering my questions on that guild, I was wondering if anybody could help. Thank you guys sooo much! heart
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:21 pm


It sounds like it's made up to me. But then again, the person speaks about otherkin too, something else I think is made up. I try not to be a skeptic, I do. There are many spiritual occurances I believe, but this just isn't one of them.

When they said "illegal" you can be pretty sure it's a lie. Seeing as there isn't a spiritual police.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:27 pm


Sounds like STFU-material to me. Whenever someone ventures an opinion stated like it's a fact, that sets off my BS-dar. Then to go on with stuff that sounds like it's from Naruto... well, if they have research to back up their findings, that's acceptable. Otherwise, it sounds like it's tripe.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:48 pm


Mitsh
Sounds like STFU-material to me. Whenever someone ventures an opinion stated like it's a fact, that sets off my BS-dar. Then to go on with stuff that sounds like it's from Naruto... well, if they have research to back up their findings, that's acceptable. Otherwise, it sounds like it's tripe.


Okay, first of all (and possibly more importantly), what in the world is tripe?!

Second, and I agree with both of you, I didn't think it was real. But I always like to leave room for error and wanted to see if anyone of authority/that has two brain cells rubbing together had even heard of it. I like to pose lots and lots of questions... ninja And for some reason I consider this place an information powerhouse. 3nodding Thanks again, guys! heart

Lovely Lady Leviathan

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:19 pm


Nocturne Shadow
what in the world is tripe?!


The stomach lining of a cow, pig or sheep. Must be cleaned for cooking. The primary ingredient used in menudo soup.


Aside from that, I agree with the above posts, but I do agree that a soul CAN die.

Like I always say:
Nothing is immortal, not even the Gods ^_^.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:45 pm


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The stomach lining of a cow, pig or sheep. Must be cleaned for cooking. The primary ingredient used in menudo soup.


Um, ewwwwww much?

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Aside from that, I agree with the above posts, but I do agree that a soul CAN die.

Like I always say:
Nothing is immortal, not even the Gods ^_^.


I dunno. I've never thought about souls dying. o_O Well... kind of. But the SOUL itself... I always thought... didn't... die. ._. ARGH. I QUESTION MY BELIEFS NOW. gonk

Lovely Lady Leviathan

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:17 pm


Nocturne Shadow
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The stomach lining of a cow, pig or sheep. Must be cleaned for cooking. The primary ingredient used in menudo soup.


Um, ewwwwww much?

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Aside from that, I agree with the above posts, but I do agree that a soul CAN die.

Like I always say:
Nothing is immortal, not even the Gods ^_^.


I dunno. I've never thought about souls dying. o_O Well... kind of. But the SOUL itself... I always thought... didn't... die. ._. ARGH. I QUESTION MY BELIEFS NOW. gonk


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:13 pm


The last time I checked there was no "spirit crimes" devision of any law enforcement agency. Also, when people capitalize things like that for emphasis it tends to rub me the wrong way. Not sure why.

Either way, I call BS. I maintain that a soul is indestructible just as energy is indestructible, but that doesn't mean it can't be returned and merged with the Source. That is my opinion and I'm pretty sure it's NOT illegal. xd

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:24 pm


Obscurus
I maintain that a soul is indestructible just as energy is indestructible, but that doesn't mean it can't be returned and merged with the Source. That is my opinion and I'm pretty sure it's NOT illegal. xd



And to clarify, using Obscurus' comment.

My idea of a soul being "killed" is just that, the "self" being nulled and the energy returning to the source.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:45 am


I iz da Spirit Polize! Freeze or I blast u with my PSI-beam that is normally illegal to use b/c it is da shitz!

Mmm k....while the original post this thread smells like moonbeam, I think there is a way to destroy a soul in such a way that it doesn't reincarnate. Sure the energy goes somewhere, but the soul doesn't come back later on. Its gone. There's only one kind of thing I can think of that pretty much kills off a soul and that is actually a self-sacrifice, kinda altruistic and stuff.

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Lovely Lady Leviathan

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:32 am


iolitefire
I iz da Spirit Polize! Freeze or I blast u with my PSI-beam that is normally illegal to use b/c it is da shitz!

Mmm k....while the original post this thread smells like moonbeam, I think there is a way to destroy a soul in such a way that it doesn't reincarnate. Sure the energy goes somewhere, but the soul doesn't come back later on. Its gone. There's only one kind of thing I can think of that pretty much kills off a soul and that is actually a self-sacrifice, kinda altruistic and stuff.


How and why would anyone want to do that? surprised
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:46 pm


Nocturne Shadow
iolitefire
I iz da Spirit Polize! Freeze or I blast u with my PSI-beam that is normally illegal to use b/c it is da shitz!

Mmm k....while the original post this thread smells like moonbeam, I think there is a way to destroy a soul in such a way that it doesn't reincarnate. Sure the energy goes somewhere, but the soul doesn't come back later on. Its gone. There's only one kind of thing I can think of that pretty much kills off a soul and that is actually a self-sacrifice, kinda altruistic and stuff.


How and why would anyone want to do that? surprised


For the same reasons why someone would sacrifice his life for someone else's. Love is the usual culprit. Whether its the mother taking the gun shot for her children or the guy pushing his girl out of the way of the car so that he gets hit instead. Someone could also sacrifice themselves in favor of an idea or belief.

Now, I've only heard of this thing done in the astral and its a pretty frickin big ritual that requires a couple witnesses and suicide. I've never really seen it done, just heard of it.

iolitefire


Lovely Lady Leviathan

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:12 pm


iolitefire
Nocturne Shadow
iolitefire
I iz da Spirit Polize! Freeze or I blast u with my PSI-beam that is normally illegal to use b/c it is da shitz!

Mmm k....while the original post this thread smells like moonbeam, I think there is a way to destroy a soul in such a way that it doesn't reincarnate. Sure the energy goes somewhere, but the soul doesn't come back later on. Its gone. There's only one kind of thing I can think of that pretty much kills off a soul and that is actually a self-sacrifice, kinda altruistic and stuff.


How and why would anyone want to do that? surprised


For the same reasons why someone would sacrifice his life for someone else's. Love is the usual culprit. Whether its the mother taking the gun shot for her children or the guy pushing his girl out of the way of the car so that he gets hit instead. Someone could also sacrifice themselves in favor of an idea or belief.

Now, I've only heard of this thing done in the astral and its a pretty frickin big ritual that requires a couple witnesses and suicide. I've never really seen it done, just heard of it.


Damn. I'm never gonna find a guy like that. crying

'Neways, so the person commits suicide? And prevents his/her soul from coming back? Then what happens to it? Where does it go? Does it go anywhere? Does the law of conservation of matter come into play? If it does, how so? How does commiting suicide and preventing you soul from coming back equate to love?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:47 pm


Nocturne Shadow

Damn. I'm never gonna find a guy like that. crying


Lol don't say that, there's tons of guys like that.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:42 pm


[BlkCat]
Obscurus
I maintain that a soul is indestructible just as energy is indestructible, but that doesn't mean it can't be returned and merged with the Source. That is my opinion and I'm pretty sure it's NOT illegal. xd



And to clarify, using Obscurus' comment.

My idea of a soul being "killed" is just that, the "self" being nulled and the energy returning to the source.

Sounds accurate. I think the "traditional" view, if one could call it that, is of a body, a mind, and a soul. A body is the physical form one has here on this world, the mind is something that exists separately, either appearing to, or actually being separate (Cartesian Dualism, anyone?) and an indestructible, sacred soul, either emanating from a religious or ultimate Progenerating Source, or understood as the very base of one's being. My personal conceptions of these things through my paranormal aspects of life experience have lead me to believe that bodies are what exist here, as the physical basis of our existence. However, bodies of other beings (being defined as something made of "matter" that is relativistically regulated by laws of physics and resistant to change by will) Or alternate bodies of our own. The mind is the basis of consciousness, sense of self and thought, semi-connected to the soul, but able to be damaged or hurt. However, it or parts of it have a chance to be passed on through reincarnation, either memories, or as a sort of avatar personality. Alternatively, the mind, representing the totality of a single lifetime, may ascend into some sort of stasis or afterlife as the soul separates to rejoin a source or reincarnate. The soul itself is seen as the basis of a person, containing the strongest drives and highest energies present within that person, and in certain instances could be considered sacred, or virtually infinite in power or life. However, I do believe direct operations upon the soul can affect it, and thus, it is not indestructible nor all powerful. I believe the more binary existence can be given to something, the more possibility it has to cease existing. Consequently, something I would call beyond the soul would be something, if I had to name it, would be the Tao, or "That which makes the soul sacred." I would attribute to it as containing the highest potentials of every human being, and being beyond the reach of destruction or harm, as for it, saying it does exist is the same as saying it doesn't, being beyond the binary switch of existence. I would also say that anything gaining enough power to be able to harm it would not wish to. But that is only my philosophy and personal experience, and you are free to draw from it as you like.
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