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 Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:38 pm
danjel Killing someone maliciously like this is what is commonly known as murder. He should be investigated and put on trial. Anyone involved in allowing this situation to occur should also receive the same. Does this mean that we can hold the extremists responsible for the decapitations and murdering or our troops and our people? what about the person who booby trapped the dead body that exploded the previous day? Would it have been better this soldier died for checking a person that may or may not have been trapped or carrying some sort of weapon? or do they get a pass as America so deserves this. This is asking for clarification as well as the general idea I seem to be getting from this. I would like to say again that when you are surrounded by possible enemy who is using everything they can to even kill one american (ie: using Mosques as storage facilities, using civilian human bombs, ect) I am not sure I clearly see your point. How can one really know unless its too late. I see it as you cannot have it both ways. If the soldier died, people would complain. If he did what he did well. . . .your all complaining now. Damned if you do damned if you dont. We have the luxory of time to say this is what I feel he should have done however during the few precious seconds allotted, would you do a better job were you holding the gun? I think you wouldnt live very long. (Just practicing my weak debate skills, Critique is welcome)
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:08 pm
I would argue: It is not murder. Murder is to kill against the law. The man killed during war, and therefore it was completely legal, and not murder at all.
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:39 pm
Formic I would argue: It is not murder. Murder is to kill against the law. The man killed during war, and therefore it was completely legal, and not murder at all. Military action, not war. War has different rules than occupation does. But either way, according to the rules of the Military, this man is not a murderer.
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:55 pm
The reaction I've seen sounds a little like this:
"OMG! That Soldier KILLED SOMEBODY!!!! Can they DO that! He should be really punished badly, the b*****d!!!! This is all Bush's fault!!!"
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:10 pm
Being the horrible person I am, given the hostile situation, our current knowledge of the tactics used by these individuals, and the safety of myself and my comrades etc etc I would have made the same exact choice.
*ohnoez, goes to confession*
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:34 pm
neutral
It's a war. People die.
Torturing or execution of a prisoner is no good. Picking off an unarmed person or wounded is bad, but probably safe and thus understandable. Damn people strap bombs to themselves when they're HEALTHY for ******** sake.
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:22 am
(Got this in a E-mail, just a note to myself)
Story in Tampa Newspaper
Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries that came to live in America because it is the Country of Choice??????
Think about it . .
All I have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS? I celebrate Christmas, but because it isn't celebrated by everyone, we can no longer say Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's Greetings. It's not Christmas vacation, it's Winter Break. Isn't it amazing how this winter break ALWAYS occurs over the Christmas holiday? We've gone so far the other way, bent over backwards to not offend anyone, that I am now being offended. But it seems that no one has a problem with that.
This says it all!
This is an editorial written by an
American citizen, published in a
Tampa newspaper He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!
IMMIGRANTS,
NOT AMERICANS,
MUST ADAPT.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we
are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11,
we have experienced a surge
in patriotism by the majority
of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had
barely settled when the "politically correct! " crowd began complaining about
the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.
I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there
are a few things that those
who have recently come to
our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a
multicultural community
has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we
have our own culture, our
own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language.
Therefore, if you wish to become part
of our society, learn the language!
"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan.. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women,
on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented.
It is certainly appropriate to display it
on the walls of our schools. If God
offends you, then I suggest you
consider another part of the world as
your new home, because God is part
of our culture.
If Stars and Stripes offend you, or
you don't like Uncle Sam, then you
should seriously consider a move
to another part of this planet. We
are happy with our culture and have
no desire to change, and we really
don't care how you did things where
you came from. This is
OUR COUNTRY,
our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the
right to express his opinion and we
will allow you every opportunity to do so!
But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag,
our pledge, our national motto, or our
way of life, I highly encourage you
take advantage of one other great American freedom,
THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
(I have no idea if this is a true Tampa news story however it does sum up how I feel, should check snopes.com. Why do we have to be offended when someone is different than us? while in one country you must adapt should you decide to live their however you also should respect the fact that ones faith is different. I may be Catholic and I expect to be able to be catholic however the ACLU has no right telling a church not to display a Manger scene nor does a liberal teacher have the right to demand I remove my cross pendant. I wouldnt expect a Jew to remove the star of david pendant, why should I?)
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:22 am
Quote: It would be naive to the extreme to think that US soldiers have only ever been used to "defend the freedoms" of American citizens. I'd go so far to say that US soldiers have not directly defended US soil or citizens on a large scale in near 50 years. US soldiers protect US interests abroad. That's what you do, that's what you're signed up to do. Don't get me wrong, it's no less important to the US than the freedoms of American citizens. But when you're fighting in Iraq, or in Iran, or Vietnam, or Central America, or whatever theatre, you're most likely there to protect the interests of the American government, not the right of the American pubplic to peaceably assemble, or practice their religion, or be free from unreasonable search and seizure. These soldiers ARE defending our freedoms in another country however if you would prefer the war to be on american soil it is your perogative, sick but its still yours. You as so much as admit this when you say "US soldiers protect US interests abroad" so what that has to do with your argument I have no idea. The war is being fought to not only protect another country but ours as well. Do you really think that anyone would do something without getting something back? If Saddam was still in power 9/11 would have had a repeat performance. The towers were not the only thing to fall. Planes also crashed into the pentagon and other places I cannot recall as of now. The general Idea I am getting from the left wingers is that they would prefer to keep turing the other cheek until America is just the puppet of other countries. Avoidance is not always an option. Noone wants or likes war however to preserve our freedom and to keep the war away from our citizens (the ones NOT leaving for Canada) I say its worth it.
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:28 pm
Bolthorman Formic I would argue: It is not murder. Murder is to kill against the law. The man killed during war, and therefore it was completely legal, and not murder at all. Military action, not war. War has different rules than occupation does. But either way, according to the rules of the Military, this man is not a murderer. True, sorry. I was only half awake when I wrote it so I didn't get the right terms. But, as you said, same result either way.
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:59 pm
Things I find interesting;
Democrats vetoed the pledge of allegiance, now they are attacking the declaration of independance.
Democrats have a history of defending thw enemy and attacking america then claim themselves "patriotic".
Mcarthism is actually a compliment, He was right, Hiss was PROVED a communist (Pumpkin papers) by Chambers and noone was in fear, the Dem's were caught undermining America's right to defend itself.
also noone commited suicide because of him.
1992, ABC's Nightline, a program titled "American patriot/Soviet Spy?" Ted Koppel interviewed Barr. His spy status was treating with an open question "You'll have to make up your own mind" ABC has accused Corporations with less evidence, what were they waiting for? Falsified documents from Dan Rather?
Its also interesting that Barr is a democrat.
1998; Harry dexter white's daughter scoffed at the "flimsy" evidence for the claim her father was a communist agent. The Soviet union was paying for her education expenses.
Reminder to self;
Research story about person(Iraq? USSR?) who kept citizenship in USA and voted in our elections yet had their permanant residence out of state. Might have been in 80's not sure.
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:22 am
Interesting links
http://www.islamicparty.com/commonsense/36edit.htm
http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/august02_index.php?l=6
http://www.pastornet.net.au/fwn/2001/may/art02.html
http://www.muslimwakeup.com/movabletype/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=1412
http://911digitalarchive.org/objects/21.html
*Wonders if anyone see's the connection in these sites.*
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