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lithle

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:19 pm


Alright, here we go. I'm willing to give critiques, because I enjoy reading concepts, and I usually have an opinion about them.

Now, I tend to be busy, so I make no promise that you'll be getting a response the same day. However, finals are almost over so I should have the time.

I tend toward the blunt, but I'm not cruel. If I see a problem in your concept, I'll point it out, but please keep in mind I'm not trying to hurt you. I don't have the time or the patience to worry about everyone's feelings, and I'd rather not have to deal with the guilt of making people sad. Just, try and take my words in the spirit they're meant.

If you'd like a critique, please post your request here, with a link to your thread, and I'll get to it as quickly as possible. I'll be handling requests (mostly) in the order they come, and I may temporarily close the thread from time to time to catch up.

Please don't make a request if you see closed in the title.

And that's it.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:21 pm



*Snags next Crit*

Haltija!

I'm not easily hurt by criticism, because I understand I'm no where near perfect. So don't worry about that.

All I ask is that, where possible, offer advice to fix my mistakes.

Isthene


Gabriela Juliana

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:26 pm


If Lithle can find the time to take a quick look at mine I'd be ever so indebted:



Since it is rather long, here is what I'm worried about:

Backstory
The amount of information I have on the Cihuateteo itself
Personality of the child

Thanks for putting up the thread, too. @w@
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:28 pm


http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=8626597&page=1

I'd love some crtique. Especially on personality. I'm worried the personality is not developed enough.

Noel-chan


Persephone13

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:29 pm


I'd like some critique on my quest, please. Have fun with this. I know that I had fun writing this^^

http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=8647571
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:17 pm


Critique on Lammasu


Overall:

When I first read this concept I was pretty cautious about it. An intellectual winged lion reminded me too much of Taylor. However a closer read proved that they have plenty of differences, though they may, in fact, have a chance at being good friends. I do like this concept, generally, and most my complaints have to do with minor details, not the overall idea.

Biggest Complaint:

Go through, line by line, and make all your tenses agree. You switch between present and past tense constantly, and even manage to switch into future tense once.

It's very distracting.

Lammasu:

I'd like to know more about Lammasu culture. So, they're temple guardians. What else do they do? You do have a certain amount of space to fill in some details, at least on the specifics of his tribe.

The Death:

First- What kind of temple guardians are these? At least, as its written, it doesn't take more than a poison arrow to take them down. I guess I imagine a guardian animal being a bit more effective.

Now, to details.

First Paragraph- The wings beat softly in the air over the tan rocks. The wings? Whose wings? For a first line, this gives me no sense of place or clarity. 'Toronal's wings' would work fine, and be much more grounding. In this paragraph, you change from third to second person. Why? Is there any reason to use 'you' here? If these are Toronal's thoughts, try writing this in first person, or putting in some italics.

Third Paragraph- Flied should be flew. Actually, the whole sentence is awkward, try rewording it. He streached slightly and lies down here's an example of your tense switching, but I'm not going to pick them all out for you.

Fourth Paragraph- Here's where you jump to future tense.

Sixth Paragraph- The narrative voice feels intrusive here.

Ninth Paragraph- Very awkward first sentence here. Cut everything before the first comma, and reword the rest. He did not attempt to close his eyes with a bone cracking thud. He fell with a bone cracking thud, and then attempted to close his eyes. Also, the poison is not cursing through his body, unless this is wordplay.

Tenth- Cut the horrid angle bit, or rewrite it.

Fourteenth- The second to last sentence needs fixing.

Sixteenth- Once again. These Guardians don't seem very good at their job. I'd at least like a reason for how much better the attackers are. Alternately, I'd like to see the damage done to Toronal alone. That'd be more believable.

Seventeenth- I don't know how to make sense out of 'connect fearful expressions'. Also, you have a tense change here.

Eighteenth- I hate 'seemed like' but this is a personal thing. I'd rather they either wait hours or not wait hours. Not seem to.

Twenty- Must the entire tribe be killed? This seems a bit over the top. Isn't his own death traumatic enough without the death of an entire people? I mean the GoTP is pretty big on the past life trauma, but this is a lot to stomach.

Rest- Now see, this seems like plenty enough hell to go through, to me. More tense changes and minor complaints, but generally, you need to do some close careful reading. Try reading outloud. Grammar check is not your friend. Try reading backward, too.

Guardian:

I like that he doesn't get art. I'd love it if this was the concept of art as well as personal mastery. Also, what's a Star Plus student?

Abilities

The aura sight makes me a bit nervous. As long as you play the weaknesses, I see no reason why it should be a problem, though. The other abilities seem fine.

Personality

I'm fine with these for the most part. You make a lot of tense switches here. CAREFUL READING. You need to clear up the earlier confusion between Teen and Youth. You still seem to be implying that he's coping with his past life in his youth stage. And maybe he is. But why does it not become an issue for him until then? I'd like more of his biases to show up earlier. He seems to become more biased as he grows, which makes some sense. But it seems like a toddler that sensed a big mean evil aura coming toward him would run screaming, not just move on to play with something else.

Appearance

This area isn't particularly important, really. I think the tattoos are enough unlike Disinclined's boy that they're fine. But the polite thing to do would be to contact him. I like that he's muscled in his later stages.


As to the journal entry, it seems a bit flowery. If that's IC, perhaps you could put a bit more of his poetic nature in the personality write up.

lithle


lithle

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:36 am


Critique on Haltija


Overall:
It seems like you started with a lot of options here, and somehow managed to pick the least intersting one. Current GoTP that have some relationship to water include: Jiang (rain), Trent (kraken=squid), Leith (Kelpie=river horse), Kiran (Selkie=Seal baby), Raidne (Siren=water lady), Melanie (is a river), Sidney (Zora=underwater zelda people).

Now, Kyri hasn't said no more water babies, but I'm frankly tired of water based concepts. And there's no reason WHY this has to be a water concept. You say yourself that Haltija can be protectors of a vast variety of interesting things. Why not pick something new and exciting? Iron seemed like an interesting one to me, in particular, and wouldn't bring you in conflict with the Jinn baby.

Biggest Complaint:

Stated above.

Haltija

These seem like they could be interesting. I'd like some sort of physical description, though. Primarily because it'd give me an idea of why your kid looks the way she does.

The Past

I like the overview form. However, I get absolutely no feeling for her past personality here. This isn't just a background. The past being is a character, and an important one. She should be, if not as developed as the baby to be, then at least a round character. Here we have two personality traits. Anger and love. Those are the big ones, but they don't give the character much depth. I don't care when she dies, and I should.

Generally, the prose needs some work. It feels rough, and would benifit from a rewrite with style and flow as the focus. You LOVE sentence fragments, but the reader doesn't. While they can be used to effect, you lose that effect if you use them constantly. All sentences need to have a subject and a predicate. The subject is the object in the sentence (think, who the sentence is about), the predicate is what the subject is doing/what is happening to the subject. Mostly, you're dropping subjects.

I'd also like you to combine some of your shorter, one and two sentence paragraphs. The ones that look like this one.

First Paragraph- Third sentence, awkward. Try breaking it into two. The exclimation point isn't needed.

Second- Sentence fragment. Who, or what, is doing the cursing? This could be turned into one sentence, and combined with another paragraph.

Third- Sentence fragment. Who, or what is ensuring the prosperity?

Sixth- This is rather sudden, isn't it? You haven't established Haltija or this particular Haltija as malicious. Why is she angry at the new families? Have they done something wrong? If it's just that they're new, then establish this as a personality trait. Sevan hates change. If this becomes a personality trait, it should be integrated into the ghost's personality. 'Nevertheless' has no place in the sentence where you use it. Cut it.

Seventh- Here we have something interesting. Sacrifice to appease her? Is this a common practice? Can this become part of her personality to be? Will she be the sort of girl whose loyalty can be bought? She could be. But you don't do anything with it.

Eighth- She did? Why? They don't respect her. Did they learn to? Or did she stop caring? She's incredibly fickle so far.

Ninth- Close reading need. People didn't head, they heard.

Eleventh- Now that she has a reason to be angry, she isn't. Explore this. Why did a comparitively minor mistake and sacrifice effect her so deeply?

Twelve- Fragment.

Fourteen- A galleon is a large, three-masted sailing ship.

Guardian:

Ask yourself why you chose her. How will her particular quirks shape how she raises a ghostling? What does she add to the RP? I do like her ethnic background.

Abilities

The conflict with Kyri has already been pointed out. And really if there's one guardian here that you'd best not have your concept in conflict with, its Kyri. Some suggestions to fix this have already been made. I'm going to stick with saying that you'd be best off changing the sort Haltija you're making.

Besides which, I don't find it useful. This seems like an attempt to make her powerful. She can cause cancer. Why would that ever be needed, unless she was malicious by nature? I like the idea that she can curse water, and plants. Making the land sick seems more interesting.

On the flip side, can she heal cancer? What are the limits on this? How often can she heal someone? This would be more interesting if related to the land/water as well. Or if changed completely, as earlier stated.

My feeling on the water thing are already stated.

Empathy. No. You have provided no basic reason for her to be an empath. If you mean that she's simply empathic in the sense of having a high emotional intelligence, then that's great. But what's the reason.

Why is she afraid of crowds? Is this related to her past life problems with the city? If so, say so.

Personality:

Again, watch for fragments. You can find these ones yourself.

Don't make statements that involve others. For example, saying she always wins at water games. She has a lot of competition here, as I've already mentioned. Stick with saying that she's good at things, not that she's better than others.

My main complaint is that I don't see any connection between who she was and who she is. This is mostly because I don't have a good sense of who she was. Liking to swim isn't enough. She was a protector of a lake, she should love water, and perhaps be defensive of it.

The fact that she doesn't yet remember her past doesn't mean it doesn't effect her. Look at Yashi and Zah's dislike of females.

GoTP is an exploration of who these beings become when given a chance to live again. If you don't integrate the past into the present, then there's no point in joining the RP.

I find the anger at her self an interesting aspect, but it simply isn't enough.

I also have to raise an eyebrow at the adulthood mention of 'she forgives herself for every flaw'. This could make her a very annoying person, because it would keep her from trying to reform her faults.

Appearence:

This, to me, is the least important issue. However, I don't know why she looks how she does. Do Haltija have purple eyes? Do they have hand markings? A description of a Haltija would really help me accept her descrption.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:09 am


I'd love a crit of Ngendek

Thanks Lithle!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:46 am


Critique for Cihuateteo


I'm... I'm sorry. I've reread your quest, and I really can't think of anything to say. You're too awesome. I think it's perfect. I love every aspect of her and I love the idea behind every aspect. The personality is detailed and well thought out. Her appearance is interesting and justified. The information for the Cihuateteo is facinating, and introduces a new concept I'd known nothing about.

So... keep doing what you're doing.

My only request would be some information in the Teen personality to explain how she reacts to learning about her past. That's it, really.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:50 pm



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lithle

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:24 pm


Critique for Darkspear Troll


Overall:

I'm on the fence with this one. I see a lot in this concept that could be likable, and a lot of ideas that I could find fun. But they're not developed enough for me to do so yet. Things need to be filled out a lot, but there's definately potential here.

Biggest Complaint:

Yuck, font colors. I had to highlight the whole damn thing to make it readable. I get that you're trying to use the concepts colors, but readability should always come first. It hurts my eyes.

Darkspear Troll:

Oo.. umm... wait... what? Ok, read through this again. But this time, pretend you've never played WoW. It stops making sense. Words like Hord and Forsaken have no meaning. I need A LOT more background, information about Trolls in general and Darkspear Trolls in specific.

The Past:

I feel this is rather, well, long. I mean, I'm glad you gave the girl some real character, that's good. But it still just... keeps going. And, I don't know. This'll sound silly, but I feel that you could do better. You've developed some bad habits that are pretty common in writer/roleplayers, which is writing in the same way you roleplay. The two don't always mesh very well. You've got some awesome THEMES here, but you're developing them in the least possible way. By having your character THINK about them. You're telling us. You're also showing, but mostly telling. You certainly don't need to do both!

First- You mention having become a better writer, and I agree. You really have. But, at the same time, you seem to be going through a phase a lot of writers go through. Your prose is getting all purple at the edges and the first paragraph is a great example of this. We're told as kids, describe describe describe. But, in truth, a single line of excellent description is always better than a paragraph of excessive prose. You don't need words like 'embellished' here. Read through this, and ask yourself how you might improve it through simplification. And after doing the first paragraph, try the rest of the piece.

Second- Avoid 'sighed'. Frankly, it's cliche. Some people do sigh, but it's not nearly as common as role players would have you think. And trolls? She's a tough old shaman. Does she really sigh a lot?

I like the flashback, sort of. Mrr... try italics, to set it apart. Also, try picking out a specific image, instead of a general one. One troll, within the crowd. Maybe a memory of herself, or someone she cared about.

Third- I should know her name by now.

So trolls think witchery is bad? Why is this not included in the troll section? This is a great place where action and image would be better than telling. Let her encounter a troll whose name she doesn't know.

All this hesitation over her work. Where the HELL is it coming from? She does this every day, why all the random introspection. This really drips Gaian roleplay, so I'm assuming that's where you picked it up. Random, unsupported introspection does not flow well in actual storytelling.

Fourth- More introspective meandering. Why not start this story with a tidal wave stopping ritual, or a volcano stopping one, and give her a reason for all her thinking. Also... I'm not well versed in trolls, but are they usually this introspective and philosophical?

Fifth- Awkward phrasing, and way too late to introduce her name. She knows these people? Didn't we earlier establish that she feels she does not know them?

Six- The word things is too general, avoid it. The phrasing here is awkward again, particularly with the fragment serving as your second sentence. She hoards treasure, but there's no emotion toward that treasure. You fail to give it significance. If it's a symbol of respect that she values, she should be treating it with more reverance.

Seven- Which god? Specify. Is it a god she worships, the god of healing, perhaps?

Nine- This is it! The moment of tension, when we really get to know what she's thinking. So... lets have it. This needs to be longer, and more detailed. The attention you gave to the superflous early paragraphs would do much better here. This needs to be the meat of the story. Indeed, you could start with her going up to the volcano, and hearing the drums, and follow it with some reflection.

Eleven- You cut things off much too quickly here. Again, here's the conflict. Let her interact with them! Don't just knock her out. Let her fight. Lets see her stuff! Stop telling us she's strong. Lets see her be strong! Also, each characters dialogue gets its own paragraph.

Twelve- These little sentences can be incredibly powerful if used right. The right way to use them is by putting in a piece of information that it incredibly powerful, moving, or significant. This sentence is none of those things.

Thirteen- I'm confused at this point. Are these her people, or someone elses? Does she recognize any of them, even if she doesn't know their names?

Fifteen- More meat here, but it needs more information. Why did she ignore the fears of the others of her generation. How could she forget how long she's lived? Also this realization seems so sudden. If she's been with them all this time, why hasn't she noticed until now?

From there on- And now you go into details... Why must everyone take months to die? This is not an agony competition. Yes, they're supposed to have died unfairly, but this seems so excessive. And I think it bugs me because I'm seeing this long drawn out torture in lots of quests. Who's mixing these poisons? Isn't that what she does? Aren't trolls more likely to destroy, instead of toy with someone?

The fact that she's controlling nature instead of working with it is introduced to late. You can't just throw a new theme in at the last second.

She's very forgiving. I'm amazed in fact. They've been torturing her for a month, and she forgives them? That's impressive. Maybe she does forgive them, maybe she's that sort of person. But I need to see this sort of saint like personality more clearly defined if I'm going to believe it.

Guardian:

I'd like to see some Guardian info. Guardians are important, especially in those early stages where the childs ability to interact are tiny at best.

Abilities

These all make sense, I'm fine with them.

Personality

Overall, I think you need some more development on all these stages. Some of your statements seem a bit random. In child you say 'despite all this', despite what? You aren't making any sort of conflicting statements, here. I'd like a little more definition too. Aggressive as in force of personality, or aggressive as in violent? She should be a little violent, shouldn't she? She's a troll.

At Teen, I start to lose you. Maybe I'm dense. I rather like the addict thing, but I'm not following with the illness concept. She thinks she has an illness? Are you referring to depression? Where is her Guardian through all this? How is he/she reacting to the girls apparent drug addictions?

Youth is cool, but also random. What happened to the drug addiction? How'd she get over her doubts? She's just... all better, and ready to heal others? This also seems pretty late for a troll character to have taken up fighting. Also, all this issolation is really going to limit your RP chances. Remember, this is a role play based character. Unless you can find another character who's going to be hanging out in 'less civilized areas' you're going to be pretty lonely.

Adult... what? She wasn't able to adapt to civilization? You didn't show us any conflicts with civilization in her previous stages, unless you count her being rather blunt. If civilization makes her uncomfortable, why haven't you told us. And again, the issolation aspect.

Appearance:
Her wand may be massive when she is an adult, but their wands grow with them. It will be baby sized when she's a baby.

I'd like to know more about her looks than what she's wearing. Whats her body shaped like? Does she go through an awkward stage? Is she heavy or skinny? The teen stage irritates me. Must she be a stereotype? Why can't goths ever be happy, or depressed teens ever wear dresses? Meh, I guess that's a personal complaint. I like that she then moves to favoring natural materials. That makes sense for her.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:02 am


http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=8730481
Please critique my quest. ^^

I'm especially worried about:
1] Grammer
2] Not enough background information
3] History / Past life being not 'strong' or 'powerful' enough

Dragain

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lithle

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:05 pm


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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 11:10 am


I'd appreciate a critique, please.

I understand things might not be up to par to ask for one, but while I know how to go about vaguely editing for grammar, I'm most concerned about gaps, problems, that there might be, that I can't really see.

http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=8609179

einiez

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