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So, if we have a “Rath fans” thread, then we need one for Kharl fans. So, if you’re a Kharl fan, why do you like him so much?

And for those of you who think you really know a lot about Kharl… I’d like to hear your opinion regarding some of the questions below… (sorry Official DK Thread fans for the repetition)

Kharl [Current Demon King of Arinas, One-winged Angel, Renkin Wizard], currently ruling Arinas. The thing that gets me about Kharl is how far back he goes and something strange about Arinas. Specter very specifically says Kharl used to be called the Renkin Wizard and lists a bunch of horrible things the guy did. However, if he was powerful enough to have gained his own title, why did he feel so much loyalty to his ‘master’? And even the King of Arinas obviously thought the ‘master’ was the one to be worried about, because that’s the one he went after. Yet he left Kharl alive? Even knowing about the ‘Renkin Wizard’? He must have known Kharl was a threat and that killing the ‘master’ would incur Kharl’s anger. So why didn’t he try to kill Kharl at the same time? Or did he? But really, why would Kharl (a demon feared in his own right) be so willing to join forces with another demon? If Nadil and Onoma are any indication, Demon Lords seem to not get along so well. Yet Kharl has now helped two of them. Willingly. As far as we know he didn’t seem to want to kill the King of Arinas originally. Because if he did, and since he obviously ‘could’ (as he did afterward), why not do so? It wasn’t until ‘master’ was killed that he got angry with the King. And if he liked his master so well, and if his master was trying to kill the King, why did Kharl not help out earlier, since he obviously had the power to do so? Unless Kharl’s master’s objectives were different than Nadil’s. Maybe he wasn’t trying to take over Arinas? Okay, so have I just really lost anyone or what? Let me try to put this in simpler terms… Obviously Kharl had the power to kill the King of Arinas, since that line in 8 makes it sound like he at least believes he could. You could argue that he wasn’t powerful enough ‘at the time’ because the fact that he didn’t completely kill the King of Arinas indicates he was unable to. However, you have to then assume that if he was capable of even half-killing the guy, that it should have been simple for the combined might of Kharl and his master to do what one could not. So if they were able to, then why didn’t they? Did the King institute a surprise attack before they were ready or something? Or is it that they didn’t really care about taking over Arinas? Kharl seems to be unwilling to announce his presence in any kind of threatening manner. I mean, he claims to want to protect Rath, but he’s unwilling to directly oppose Nadil to do so… at least in any way that would cause Nadil to see him as a threat. The same goes with Lykouleon. So did Kharl not want to have anything to do with taking over Arinas for similar reasons? But that doesn’t make sense, because from specter’s analysis Kharl had a hand in some lofty acts. Changing the world to suit him and all. That sounds a lot like a more openly obvious sort of Kharl, not the one we know. Could it be that Kharl’s… I don’t know… blatant acts of selfishness are what caused the King of Arinas to come after him and kill his master? And that that’s why Kharl is now so much more careful and patient?

Kamikits (wonderfully insightful DK fan that she is) pointed out that Kharl might have not directly opposed Lykouleon or Nadil because his main goal was to get Rath back. But if Kharl is so bent on saving Rath (he keeps saying “I won’t let Rath die”), then wouldn’t killing Nadil solve the problem? I mean, Kharl was right there in the castle when Nadil killed Rath in 12! Why didn’t he do something? Or is it just that he’s afraid anything he does will cause Rath to hate him more? And there’s also the fact that back before Black Education this wouldn’t have been a reason. Lykouleon had Rath. Kharl wanted Rath. Seems like a pretty simple solution to me: take Lykouleon out of the picture. But he didn’t.

This (as cruel as it sounds) is why I don't think we have many answered questions when it comes to Kharl



As much as I love Dragon Knights and Kharl and everything else about the series, I'm starting to think Mineko's intrest in her own series is waning or something along those lines. Parts of the later volumes make no sense to me or confuse me, not to mention her constant resurrection of old characters.
Is it just me?

Forgive me for being vague and going off topic. It's only 8:30 am and my coffee is still not done yet.

*cuddles Kharl doll*

That's what she claims. sweatdrop Makes me wonder how old he is...

Ah, but onewinged! Think of all the wonderful analysis power that went into writing that first post focused solely on your story… It’s a scary thought, isn’t it? Man, it’s so good to see you here! And you were right, it’s okay. The mod doesn’t hate me… At least, I don’t ‘think’ he hates me… *worried silence—glances at Karill* Guess Nadil gets me sicced on her next, huh? Anyway…

*laugh* Maybe I should send this to Ohkami and see what she says… It makes sense that Kharl didn’t see the King as a threat until after his master’s death. But I’m still confused as to his master’s objectives. What I mean is this…

We KNOW the Three Treasures somehow end up in Kharl’s hands. So maybe the real question is how they got there? Assume for a second it was Kharl who stole the Treasures… He would have known that would be the same as declaring war on the King. So why steal them? He had no use for them. Simply to keep powerful items out of enemy hands? But you don’t just go around stealing something you know is going to bring your enemy down upon your head in seething fury! Which leads me back to my original question, “Were they trying to take over Arinas?” But Kharl doesn’t seem to have any interest in ruling, so if that were the case, then it would have to be his master’s plan. So assume for another second that it was Kharl’s master who stole the Treasures or who ordered Kharl to. That would make sense of why they stole them. Except if they were planning to take over Arinas, why bother with the Treasure at all? Why not just attack before the Treasures were made? It confuses the heck outta me…

Hey, though, that thing about Kharl violating a treaty makes some sort of random sense. I don’t know about a treaty, but I can definitely see Kharl being curious… Even if he couldn’t use the Treasures, maybe he was just interested in them. Or maybe he ‘thought’ he could use them and found out he couldn’t. In any case, that would fit with the ‘brash acts’ thing. And also with the fact that a couple centuries ago he would’ve been a bit younger, as suggested by his having a ‘master.’ Youth and curiosity killing Gil and all that…

Also, regarding the King. There was some random talk—or extremely focused talk, as the case may be—in the Thread about it being specter. While I still see some of those same holes I mentioned previously, there is a heck of a lot of evidence for it. Not to mention that I was randomly translating kanji in book 25 last night and found a picture of Nohiro pulling out the spear with the kanji “Eastern King” and “freedom” in a speech bubble above it. Not that that means anything... So assuming that specter is the Eastern King like evidence suggests, and specter is the one who keeps talking about the “Renkin Wizard.” Sounds like he was more concerned with Kharl. So maybe you’re right, maybe he really came after Kharl and had to go through Kharl’s master...

Regarding Cesia… That’s interesting. I assumed he said he was jealous of Cesia because Cesia has Rath’s attention and Rath ‘wants’ to be with her and being with her makes Rath happy. Doesn’t that sound a little like what Kharl wants from Rath too? Wouldn’t you be a little jealous too? To think that Cesia has been able to do what you can’t, even though you feel that you care about him a thousand times more than anyone else?

But trust me, when it comes to DK, I know absolutely ‘nothing’ compared to Sarehpar. You want theories, go talk to her! Some of the stuff I’m saying is just me re-phrasing things she’s mentioned before.

And even I have no clue about why he didn’t attack Lykouleon. It was suggested that he couldn’t get through the Light Barrier at the time, since at that point it was still up and strong. But even Sareh admitted she thought that if Kharl had ‘really’ wanted to get Rath out—had ‘really’ thought Rath was in danger there—he would’ve found a way. I don’t know, maybe it was just easier to wait for Rath to come to him, since Rath wasn’t in any immediate physical danger. But you’d still think he’d want revenge on Lykouleon. If the death of his master caused him to kill the King of Arinas, why didn’t the stealing of his son cause him to kill the Dragon Lord? Well, actually, I guess I can see if he could tell that Rath was still emotionally bonded to the Dragons at that point. I mean, Kharl might have realized that Rath thought he was the happy son of Lykouleon and that just killing the man would frighten or anger Rath. He would’ve had to return Rath’s memories first… Once Rath realized his memories were fake, surely he’d hate Lykouleon and return to Kharl, right? So I guess that’s where Black Education comes into play…

To Karill:

Did you really manage to find a Kharl doll? Gaul! Wouldn’t I just LOVE to have one!

Mineko did say she was having trouble now that all the characters are together. And I swear, ‘no one’ stays dead for long in DK… it’s a cruel fact of life. So where the heck is Kai-Stern?! Sareh and I were also complaining about some strange stuff in the latest volume. Like the wings Kitchel sees and calling them the “Lord’s Fire Dragon.” Does that make any sense? For one, Fire is clearly with someone else. And why would Fire be Lykouleon’s? Well, any more than any of the dragons? I could sort of see if it was Light…. but Fire?

And heh, if Ohkami’s younger brother designed Kharl like she said, than Darn! Do I wish he’d design some more!

And… HOLY COW! I think that’s enough out of me for one day…

Cocoa-less,
-Leeayre

To be honest, I don't think Kharl has any wings. I mean, he's not really related to the faeries or else he wouldn't nearly destroy the race. And I don't think Dragon and Youkai tribe have wings too. sweatdrop However, I think the reason why some people call him the "Left-winged Angel" (or is it the Right-winged Angel? sweatdrop ) is because of his bird sitting on his shoulder, making it look like he has wings.

*sneaks back into the discussion, trying to pretend like he's never left*

I think he could have wings. Youkai seem to come in all shapes and sizes. Recall the ones we've seen in side stories, like Bierrez finding Cesia. Ohe had animal-like feet (Grey Heaven), for example. So, to me, it doesn't seem like a very big stretch for a youkai to have wings.
But then, Garfakcy makes the allusion to the Birds being Kharl's 'wings' when he confronts Delte....

Speak of the Devil and he appears, they say... So who called for the big, bad... youkai *cough* lord? =D

On Arinas
I don't know if anyone could really be called "king" (or any other synonym for ruler) of the Eastern Continent right now... because really, what is there to rule there anyway? XD;; *cough* Ahem. Am I wrong when I say that I think I read somewhere about Kharl wanting either Kainaldia or Dusis? Or perhaps it was the world? I know Nadil wants Dusis and Kainaldia but Arinas he has never showed any interest in...

On Kharl
Truly, truly, this is one twisted creature... if not in the head then in the humor and mind. XD; Anyway. I must say I can't really agree on Kharl being a phoenix youkai, because he has had nothing to do with fire as far as we have seen, if I remember correctly. He has, indeed, done much with resurrection and killing and... "birthing" *snort, laugh*. But nothing truly with fire. There IS, however, a scene (in one of the numbers of WINGS that I bought while in Japan) where Kharl goes down itno his basement and... "Oh gosh, has the heater broke again? Because why else would it be burning in me cellar? D=" XD;; To put it like a joke.
Turly, it was burning in his cellar and he seemed utterly confused as to why. I think he would KNOW what is happening if something is burning in his cellar. >.>; I could look at it again and see what it is he's thinking there, or scan it if anyone else knows someone who is a fullfledged Japanese speaker.

When it comes to his wings I agree on that with his birds. Whether he has wings for himself or not is a thing to be discussed but perhaps his birds were representations of them? Or perhaps even, if I can go so far, physical incarnations of them because having them separate like that gave him more power? With one bird on each sholder stretching their wings out, you would look like an angel/winged being when casting a shadow, I'm sure.
-Side thing (imagined by Nadil)-
(Young) Kharl: Hmn... it's a bother to travel over land and it's too draining to teleport... =D I know! I'll just grow wings!
*experiments on himself and gets wings* =DDDD

Master: *stares* .... *covers face with hands* I should not have given him so many fantasy books to read when he was younger. T__T Forgive me, Kharl...
-Anyway, XD; onwards...-

On powers, I must say that no one seems to have thought about this... His master. He has had somewhat of a "master obsession", has he not? For we don't know how long (centuries, millennia!) he have been trying to resurrect his master... until recently when he seemed to grow tired of it (or his current try/experiment) when Nohiro came along and unknowingly sabotaged it.
Take that fact, of how much he must have grown in power since his master died, we should be able to guess that he might not have been so much as a threat to anyone (that mattered) back then, or so they believed, but that he had more power than was normal. Or? Perhaps he lost some powers when Left Bird was killed? And how much power did it not take from HIM to create Left Beast Sinistora if you think about the amount of Faerie power/lives he needed, eh?

On the jealous drama
It's quite simple to see where all these puzzle pieces shall sit. Rath places his attention on Cesia. Kharl wants Rath's attention and therefore Cesia gets in the way and in that fashion she gets his attention too. Now, Cesia is an interesting creature in her own right (Nadil wouldn't callher his princess for naught I believe). And now we come to Garfakcy who, perhaps, held that same kind of attention and interest of Kharl that he now puts towards Cesia. If Garfakcy seems to like Kharl as much as he does then of course he gets jealous of her, too. She's taking all of Kharl's attention in not only being close to Rath but also because of what she is (Kharl has mentioned he would like her to experiment on, after all).

...............<-- Rath
Cesia.......<-- Kharl
...............<-- Garfakcy

It's all pretty simple when you think about it.

On Nadil, Kharl and Rath
Ahh, my favorite part. Nadil's in it. ^^;
Remember how you, Left (or can I say Leeayre... or just Lee @_@; ), said that Kharl was unwilling to oppose Nadil, even now. If he was weaker in the past, it's very clear why he wouldn't want to oppose Nadil, and especially with his master gone, but even now? Sure, he's causing a bit more trouble for Nadil now, that we know of anyway, than he did before but still.

But let's not forget a very important thing... Rath, before he possessed Illuser's body, was IN Nadil's castle... or perhaps even trapped there? How long has Rath been connected to Nadil and how long has he been a life-line, so to speak, for the youkai lord? If Kharl loved his creation so dearly, why give it up? And to Nadil of all people? Was it because he wasn't powerful enough to stand against any request from the youkai lord? Or was it because Rath was, originally, made for just Nadil, to act as some kind of anchor for him? There is the connection between Nadil and Rath that raises many additional question marks even if we answer half of the questions put forth here.

If it now was so that Rath was made for Nadil (my, what on earth didn't taht cost the youkai lord then, if you think about how much Gil seemed to have cost them?) then might it be so that Kharl, after Rath's creation, liked his "child" so much that he really didn't want to give him away? But at the same time he couldn't break the deal with Nadil because the youkai lord was too powerful. Perhaps he even is today but Kharl is getting bolder? Patience, on some fronts, can wear very thin over time, after all.

I'm not saying that Nadil is overly powerful but you have to agree... Nadil has dished out (or "leased", if we can say that XD; ) power to Gil, Fedelta, Shydeman, Shyrendora and god knows who else! And he still seems to have enough juice left to flaunt it and mock others. Or is that just his ego? XD; Still, Nadil confesses it himself that he is not yet powerful enough. Enough for what, I wonder then. he needs Cesia and god only knows how many tons of magical power she has on her disposal.... and how many more she has got that she unwillingly may handle out to someone.


Oook..... now I'm starting to forget what more I had to say... .__. *typed so long that she got logged out* XD;; I guess I'll break here and... make another post if I come up with anything more... >.>;;;;

*begins searching for her nummy exerpts from WINGS and finds... an unfinished poster of one of her beloved manga ideas (that are still going strong), a Japanese fashion magazine and finally... the pages* =D Ah! XD; And I suddenly remember a third thing I forgot to mention before. >.>;

On that which you mentioned about the "Lord's Fire dragon". Ignore that, it's Tokyopop that finally went rotten through (in the brain). It stands, clear black on white (or a pleasantly creamy, old book white actually XD; ), in the japanese volume 24, "I see... (It's) the Dragon Emperor's Light Dragon..." Or "dragon of light", but it makes for too many "no" (possessive particle or particle indicating "of") in that sentence. XD;;; I might even go so far to adapt it a little bit so that it becomes "It's the Dragon Emperor's Light Dragon's..." because that's what it more literary reads. It's to the previous sentence, which TP translates as "Wings of light" (though I confess I do not know that kanji so I won't speak about it), that this indicates. That light which Kitchel sees belongs to the Emperor's Light Dragon. So it's all on TP.... again. *once sent an email complaining over their scanning of the pages and the mutilation that they called adaption* I have never done that before but 23 just made me wanna cry...

Really, I could go in and pick on a million things in this manga too, but I won't. ^^;