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 Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:01 pm
but I will~!
I have a real lingual talent. Once I know the phonetic rules of a language I can then pronounce just about any word in said language. I know some french, and have excellent (albeit Parisian) pronunciation of the words. When I speak french, I do actually sound like a gentlemen from Paris (though not nearly as quick). I know a little german, a little spanish. Very little german and spanish.
So, what do all of you think about languages? Are they important, or should there be an enforced language that everyone has to learn (not necessarily english)? For those mystically inclined, do you feel that using whatever language you were not raised speaking has more power? Or is it just a psychological effect?
I think that so long as you were not raised it is better~!
How about you?
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:41 am
Khalida Nyoka but I will~! I have a real lingual talent. Once I know the phonetic rules of a language I can then pronounce just about any word in said language. I know some french, and have excellent (albeit Parisian) pronunciation of the words. When I speak french, I do actually sound like a gentlemen from Paris (though not nearly as quick). I know a little german, a little spanish. Very little german and spanish. So, what do all of you think about languages? Are they important, or should there be an enforced language that everyone has to learn (not necessarily english)? For those mystically inclined, do you feel that using whatever language you were not raised speaking has more power? Or is it just a psychological effect? I think that so long as you were not raised it is better~! How about you? That's really cool! I never could pronounce French. I learned Spanish first so that really screwed me up! I know a bit of Spanish and tad bit of Japanese but I really want to learn more! I love learning languages! I think that learning a language is a way to see into that particular country's traditions, beliefs, customs, etc. You learn why they act the way they do! I've been a fond lover of the lingua franca idea, where people speak one common language for business transactions and things like that. You see lingua francas in very diverse areas. In Vancouver, Canada I saw English being used as a lingua franca. In parts of the middle east French can be used as a lingua franca. I think that the only time you should be forced to learn a language is when you move to a country whose native tongue is different from yours. Not only would it make things a lot easier for you, but it shows that you respect that country and that your ready to be a citizen of it.
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:55 am
Khalida Nyoka but I will~! I have a real lingual talent. Once I know the phonetic rules of a language I can then pronounce just about any word in said language. I know some french, and have excellent (albeit Parisian) pronunciation of the words. When I speak french, I do actually sound like a gentlemen from Paris (though not nearly as quick). I know a little german, a little spanish. Very little german and spanish. So, what do all of you think about languages? Are they important, or should there be an enforced language that everyone has to learn (not necessarily english)? For those mystically inclined, do you feel that using whatever language you were not raised speaking has more power? Or is it just a psychological effect? I think that so long as you were not raised it is better~! How about you?
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:04 am
iolitefire Khalida Nyoka but I will~! I have a real lingual talent. Once I know the phonetic rules of a language I can then pronounce just about any word in said language. I know some french, and have excellent (albeit Parisian) pronunciation of the words. When I speak french, I do actually sound like a gentlemen from Paris (though not nearly as quick). I know a little german, a little spanish. Very little german and spanish. So, what do all of you think about languages? Are they important, or should there be an enforced language that everyone has to learn (not necessarily english)? For those mystically inclined, do you feel that using whatever language you were not raised speaking has more power? Or is it just a psychological effect? I think that so long as you were not raised it is better~! How about you? That's really cool! I never could pronounce French. I learned Spanish first so that really screwed me up! I know a bit of Spanish and tad bit of Japanese but I really want to learn more! I love learning languages! I think that learning a language is a way to see into that particular country's traditions, beliefs, customs, etc. You learn why they act the way they do! I've been a fond lover of the lingua franca idea, where people speak one common language for business transactions and things like that. You see lingua francas in very diverse areas. In Vancouver, Canada I saw English being used as a lingua franca. In parts of the middle east French can be used as a lingua franca. I think that the only time you should be forced to learn a language is when you move to a country whose native tongue is different from yours. Not only would it make things a lot easier for you, but it shows that you respect that country and that your ready to be a citizen of it. To add to a list of the places that have a lingua franca (I have now extended my vocabulary, yay!) The far East/North (Russia and its bordering countries) all use Russian as their language of commerce. I've got a friend in Kazakhstan who speaks English, Kazakh, Russian, and was learning French. The national language was Kazakh, but everyone knew how to speak Russian (non-natives didn't usually bother to learn Kazakh). Darin: That would somewhat go along with the Biblical idea of the Tower of Babel and the Confusion of Tongues. Man building a tower to Heaven, God intervening and driving them apart by making everyone speak a different language. If we could relearn the original language, it probably would be beneficial, save for its limitations. It would need additions, to accomodate some of the modern things/technology. Still a good idea though. It could break down so many barriers.
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:30 am
I wish I knew how to properly speak Latin. I, unfortunately, do not know how to properly pronounce the words. @.@;;
I can speak French though, as well as very little German and very very little Japanese.
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:03 pm
I can do some French and Spanish...
And I think if you want to live in a country you should learn the native language. (Directed at all those damn illegals...)
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:49 pm
KilledbyKarma I can do some French and Spanish... And I think if you want to live in a country you should learn the native language. (Directed at all those damn illegals...) ...Jesus. I'm sure if you moved to Russia without much notice, you'd struggle with the language for a little while, too. At least a few months. Probably more, unless you tried impossibly hard. It's not like illegal immigrants live here and never learn the language. Another thing. Exactly how many non-native-English countries have English as one of their official languages? And why do you think that is? Because they think the English language is pretty? I think not. So shut the hell up. In response to the topic, I've had 5 years of Spanish, and am currently dually-enrolled in Spanish 212 at the local community college. I did visit France last year, and learned a few sentences, but it all ran together with Spanish, and eventually when someone asked a question, I'd say "si" instead of "oui". I confused a lot of people. And since I don't write spells or anything, I can't say it has an effect on that. And I think everyone should learn to speak at least two languages fluently. It helps with vocabulary, grammar, and processing skills.
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:40 pm
Yup! Definatly.
But we still don't have to make it easy for them...my parents have little enough money without paying for health care for illegals in Californian hospitals... (refering to the Governator's idea...)
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:10 pm
I think that the older a language is the more power it has, simply because of how many people over the eons have used it.
I'm sort of on the fence about enforcing one certain language. I don't think that people that already live in a country and speak a language should have to learn another language to accomodate foreigners. It should be the other way around.
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:22 pm
KilledbyKarma Yup! Definatly. But we still don't have to make it easy for them...my parents have little enough money without paying for health care for illegals in Californian hospitals... (refering to the Governator's idea...) One of the many reasons I left California. As for the response that illegal immigrants do learn the language, I'd have to respond that they didn't in my hometown. I would have classmates how've been in the US for 13 years yet they either didn't know English or wouldn't speak it. English is a hard language to learn so of course people will need time to learn it. But the fact is, many of the people in my hometown refused to learn, even though my town offered many free classes and tutors. As a good friend of a Japanese immigrant, I can tell you that if someone from a non-Latin based country took the time and actually learned English, so can someone from Mexico. Learning English from Spanish is nothing compared to learning English from Japanese. Spanish at least uses similar articles of speech and only one alphabet like English. My peeve is that if you go to a country like France or Japan to live, you'd be expected to learn the language. They'd cut you some slack for a while, but if you didn't even make the effort to even try and speak their language, they wouldn't waste time with you.
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:26 pm
One of my goals has always been to be tri-lingual by my 30th birthday. At 24, I'm working on fluency with Spanish, beginner French, (thus mildly familiar with Italian and Portuguese) and of course I'm native English speaker. After those comes either Japanese or Arabic although I would love to learn Latin, Greek and with some luck, Kiswahili.
I love using other languages in any work, chants especially, as long as I know exactly what I'm saying-denotation and connotations. Often times the extra kick of energy comes from the psychological exoticness of a non-native language, but some languages with proper pronounciation has energy all on its own.
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:30 pm
KilledbyKarma Yup! Definatly. But we still don't have to make it easy for them...my parents have little enough money without paying for health care for illegals in Californian hospitals... (refering to the Governator's idea...)
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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:22 am
Actually, no you don't have to be treated if you are in a critical state. They have to stabalize you, then if you don't pay they are allowed to eject you. thank the hypocratic oath for that... (or as I am fond of saying, the hypocritical oath).
Doctors swear to do their best, and treat everyone equally.
They are more careful around lawyers because they don't want to lose their jobs. If you are poor, you get rough treament. If you are wealthy they will give you the star treament (though not so much as for the lawyer).
You have cancer that could be operable, but don't have the cash? The send you out the door with either a bottle of pain pills, and a "good luck." Or they put you in debt for the next several years. More often than not, you don't choose which. If you are elderly, they will send you out. If you are middle-age man, out you go. Middle age lady, they might do something, but only because statistically speaking you will live longer (in order to repay) than the middle-aged man will.
The entire practice of medicine has long since lost its way, but there is not much we can do. I am a definite fiscal conservative, thus highly opposed to raising taxes, and I have a few libertarian tendencies (i.e., taxes are theft of LIFE, and if you can not pay for a service, you are not entitled to it). I'm a mish-mash of ideas...
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:58 am
Khalida Nyoka Actually, no you don't have to be treated if you are in a critical state. They have to stabalize you, then if you don't pay they are allowed to eject you. thank the hypocratic oath for that... (or as I am fond of saying, the hypocritical oath). Doctors swear to do their best, and treat everyone equally. They are more careful around lawyers because they don't want to lose their jobs. If you are poor, you get rough treament. If you are wealthy they will give you the star treament (though not so much as for the lawyer). You have cancer that could be operable, but don't have the cash? The send you out the door with either a bottle of pain pills, and a "good luck." Or they put you in debt for the next several years. More often than not, you don't choose which. If you are elderly, they will send you out. If you are middle-age man, out you go. Middle age lady, they might do something, but only because statistically speaking you will live longer (in order to repay) than the middle-aged man will. The entire practice of medicine has long since lost its way, but there is not much we can do. I am a definite fiscal conservative, thus highly opposed to raising taxes, and I have a few libertarian tendencies (i.e., taxes are theft of LIFE, and if you can not pay for a service, you are not entitled to it). I'm a mish-mash of ideas... I think it also boils down to the fact that hospitals require money to function. Do you have any idea how many people work at hospitals? Doctors, nurses, receptionists, janitors, cooks, medical records assistants, office managers, billing people, etc. All those folks have to be paid. Secondly, treatments are not always cheap. Radiation, surgery, etc. Its not just giving you pills, its about actively getting in there to fix the problem. Hospitals also have diagnosis machines like MRIs, CAT scans, etc. Those guys cost a freakin lot. Your basic, least expensive MRI will cost around 1000 dollars. Why's it expensive? Because it requires a lot of upkeep and a lot of people to keep it going. Its also still a relatively new technology and new technologys always going to be expensive. The reason I know so much of this stuff is because my mom's a doctor and I worked in a medical area for a year and a half. I got to see things behind the scenes, as it were.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:44 am
iolitefire Khalida Nyoka Actually, no you don't have to be treated if you are in a critical state. They have to stabalize you, then if you don't pay they are allowed to eject you. thank the hypocratic oath for that... (or as I am fond of saying, the hypocritical oath). Doctors swear to do their best, and treat everyone equally. They are more careful around lawyers because they don't want to lose their jobs. If you are poor, you get rough treament. If you are wealthy they will give you the star treament (though not so much as for the lawyer). You have cancer that could be operable, but don't have the cash? The send you out the door with either a bottle of pain pills, and a "good luck." Or they put you in debt for the next several years. More often than not, you don't choose which. If you are elderly, they will send you out. If you are middle-age man, out you go. Middle age lady, they might do something, but only because statistically speaking you will live longer (in order to repay) than the middle-aged man will. The entire practice of medicine has long since lost its way, but there is not much we can do. I am a definite fiscal conservative, thus highly opposed to raising taxes, and I have a few libertarian tendencies (i.e., taxes are theft of LIFE, and if you can not pay for a service, you are not entitled to it). I'm a mish-mash of ideas... I think it also boils down to the fact that hospitals require money to function. Do you have any idea how many people work at hospitals? Doctors, nurses, receptionists, janitors, cooks, medical records assistants, office managers, billing people, etc. All those folks have to be paid. Secondly, treatments are not always cheap. Radiation, surgery, etc. Its not just giving you pills, its about actively getting in there to fix the problem. Hospitals also have diagnosis machines like MRIs, CAT scans, etc. Those guys cost a freakin lot. Your basic, least expensive MRI will cost around 1000 dollars. Why's it expensive? Because it requires a lot of upkeep and a lot of people to keep it going. Its also still a relatively new technology and new technologys always going to be expensive. The reason I know so much of this stuff is because my mom's a doctor and I worked in a medical area for a year and a half. I got to see things behind the scenes, as it were. Believe me when I say that you are absolutely right, and I agree with you. MRI's, and CAT scans also take a lot of electricity which is another thing they need to pay for. I feel it is unjust that one could take the hypocratic oath and then turn a patient aside. I would support everyone receiving battlefield medic training though. Maybe bind doctors by the Geneva Convention, and put them on the government payroll...
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