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rikuHEART
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:48 pm


I think we're all pondering this questions now that the holidays have come around...

Which is better for the environment - real or fake Christmas trees? The real ones are decomposable or can be recycled as chips, but the fake ones keep from chopping down more trees.

Here's an article from the National Wildlife Federation about this issue...
Quote:
Beneath the Tinsel
Real or artificial? Once again it's time to ponder that age-old question. But choosing a Christmas tree involves more than aesthetic and economic concerns. There's an ethical dimension, too: Which type of tree is best from an environmental standpoint?

Artificial trees were a good choice when they first came on the scene. Reusable and clean, these trees offered a decent alternative to real trees harvested from a forest. Artificial trees are expensive, but they're reusable, too. The main problem with them is that they're made from petroleum-based products that eventually end up in our landfills. Also, the harvesting of real trees has changed considerably in the last few decades.

The real trees cut and sold today at tree lots are almost exclusively grown on Christmas tree farms. These farms generally utilize land that can't be used for other agricultural purposes. Because the trees are harvested at an average of eight years of age, a tree farmer harvests only 10 to 20 percent of the crop each year in order to insure a sustained yield. Thus most of the land on a tree farm is covered with small trees, like an early-succession forest, which supports a great variety of wildlife.

Another advantage of real trees is that they can be recycled as mulch or chips after the holidays. In fact, most communities now offer tree recycling programs. An alternative method of recycling a tree is to add it to a corner of the yard to serve as wildlife cover and habitat for creatures that like brush piles and decaying wood.

A third option is to use a living tree. It's the most ecologically correct solution to the Christmas tree problem, but it's also the most difficult to carry out.

Living evergreen trees are sold in planters or with their root balls wrapped in burlap. With proper care, one of these trees can be reused for several years or transplanted outdoors after the holidays. The problem is that many living trees can't handle the transition from outdoors to indoors and then back outdoors at this time of year. An outdoor tree has adjusted its physiology to cope with winter conditions; coming inside to a dry, warm environment is a tremendous shock.

One way to help minimize the shock is to let the tree acclimate for a week in the garage and then keep it in the house for only seven to ten days. As a further precaution, some experts recommend treating the foliage with a chemical that minimizes water loss through the needles. (For more information on caring for a living Christmas tree, click here.)

So which kind of tree is best for the environment? If you live in a climate where your indoor temperatures aren't drastically different from those outside, and you're willing to limit the number of days the tree is inside, give a living tree a chance. If you use a cut tree, be sure to recycle it properly. And if you opt for an artificial tree, take good care of it so it will last as long as possible.


So what do you guys think?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:53 am


Hmm...I'd rather go for the real tree.

Fake trees, hate 'em, it's the artificialness that just bothers me so.

And then of course there's the environmental downsides to them, all that plastic which can be a rather big hassle.

Really now, getting your own tree, it can be rather friendly when done right.

Back whenever I lived in Alamogordo (New Mexico) we had this large forest right near the town, there were also the many other forests that were farther away but also close enough for a day's trip. When christmas came we simply went down and cut a tree.

To be honest with you this is actually fairly good, the authorities are actually for it, the idea is that taking care of some of these older trees will allow the younger trees to have better odds of growing bigger.

Of course the only way that this worked is because not many people took advantage of the program, not many people live in this area of New Mexico. Frankly, not many people lived in New Mexico period.

Screaming Wombat


Llamalicious16

PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:36 pm


I just decorate my fern. But if I was to get one I would probably use a real one that I grew (I live where pine and redwood trees are native) and let it be in the backyard and I would decorate it with bird food items.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:57 am


Llamalicious16
I just decorate my fern. But if I was to get one I would probably use a real one that I grew (I live where pine and redwood trees are native) and let it be in the backyard and I would decorate it with bird food items.
That sounds nice! It'd be a bit difficult to put the presents under, though...which is an age-old and rather fun tradition that I would like to continue without hurting the environment.

rikuHEART
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Wishbone Redemption

PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:37 am


I've never had a real Christmas tree- but I've always kind of wanted to, since I found out that some zoos feed them to their elephants as an after-Christmas treat.

Furthermore, being that fake trees are made of a bunch of plastic and others things, I really don't know how their production would affect the atmosphere. Hm.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:40 pm


Wishbone Redemption
I've never had a real Christmas tree- but I've always kind of wanted to, since I found out that some zoos feed them to their elephants as an after-Christmas treat.

Furthermore, being that fake trees are made of a bunch of plastic and others things, I really don't know how their production would affect the atmosphere. Hm.
Real Christmas trees smell nice too. mrgreen

rikuHEART
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Silja Verde

PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:15 pm


Fake trees are generally made of vinyl, which is toxic to manufacture, use and dispose of. At least real trees provide temporary habitat whilst growing, and can be returned to nature. Speaking of which, I need to recycle mine soon . . .

Plus they look way, way better.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:08 pm


Silja Verde
Fake trees are generally made of vinyl, which is toxic to manufacture, use and dispose of. At least real trees provide temporary habitat whilst growing, and can be returned to nature. Speaking of which, I need to recycle mine soon . . .

Plus they look way, way better.
All true, but the problem with real trees is the fact that we're cutting them down. And with the demmand for Christmas trees as high as it is (considering our massive population and the popularity [haha, I used popular in two different forms in the same sentence...Sorry just had to point that out. xd ] of Christianity), that's a lot of trees to cut. A lot of CO2 that could have been converted into O2.

Of course the trees can be recycled and decomposed, but that process takes so long that by the time we have a new tree at the same size and age as the old one, there would have been much more damage than repair. neutral

rikuHEART
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potoroo99

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:14 pm


we have an artificial tree, but we reuse it every year and it was second hand when we bought it anyway, so we stopped it being thrown away. it lasts years, and if it breaks we will use the pieces as other decorations

its probably better to not a have a tree at all, environmentally, but we have it all ready so we might as well use it!
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:41 am


Pulling this thread up for the holidays this year. 3nodding

rikuHEART
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Badgerkin

Partying Shapeshifter

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:52 pm


I have a cardboard Christmas tree! It's made from recycled materials and at 7 inches tall is nicely compact for my small house. razz

I don't know which is more eco-friendly between the real tree and the plastic tree. If the real tree comes from sustainable forestry where new trees are being planted then it's not too bad... If the plastic tree can be reused for many years then that's not too bad either. The plastic tree at my family's house has been going since the early 1980's.

Personally, I don't like to look at dead trees which have been cut off and stuck in a pot. It's still green and looks alive but really it has no roots and is dead. I don't like bunches of cut flowers for the same reason.
It makes me feel a little sad sad
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:01 pm


rikuHEART
Silja Verde
Fake trees are generally made of vinyl, which is toxic to manufacture, use and dispose of. At least real trees provide temporary habitat whilst growing, and can be returned to nature. Speaking of which, I need to recycle mine soon . . .

Plus they look way, way better.
All true, but the problem with real trees is the fact that we're cutting them down. And with the demmand for Christmas trees as high as it is (considering our massive population and the popularity [haha, I used popular in two different forms in the same sentence...Sorry just had to point that out. xd ] of Christianity), that's a lot of trees to cut. A lot of CO2 that could have been converted into O2.

Of course the trees can be recycled and decomposed, but that process takes so long that by the time we have a new tree at the same size and age as the old one, there would have been much more damage than repair. neutral


The process of the decay and re-use of a natural tree is much faster than the thousands/millions of years it would take to decompose a fake tree. I know now that real trees are supposedly the most environmentally friendly, but we already have a 12' fake one we use every year... I could probably use this for my entire lifetime (if my house has a high enough ceiling after I graduate college) and it's a lot cheaper. One $150 payment versus $50-60 each year.

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592499

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:05 pm


oh yeah... I also think that once I'm living on my own I'll buy a living tree that I can plant each year... I'd get like a 3' one and I'd be supporting life rather than destroying it.

I really like your idea of decorating a tree outside with bird stuff! perfect!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:25 am


marsbee28
oh yeah... I also think that once I'm living on my own I'll buy a living tree that I can plant each year... I'd get like a 3' one and I'd be supporting life rather than destroying it.

I really like your idea of decorating a tree outside with bird stuff! perfect!
That's a good idea! ^_^ It's always a lot of fun (and good exercise!) to garden too!!

rikuHEART
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KougaGirl16

PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:41 pm


fake trees are so much better. We only use a fake one.
1. no need to water it all the time.
2. No needle mess on the floor.
3. Never have to run around the city for a good tree or deal on a tree.
4. Very eazy to set up.
5. Very to take down.

and i am sure there are a lot more reason, but i want to be lazy.
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