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 Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:03 am
So, as all you know, in the past we've(America) had some really bad incounters with Communist counrties, which has led to making Americans think that they are both really bad government systems. Well, I've got some news, not all communist countries are evil and dictorious.
Let me explain some stuff about Communism. We all know that the soul purpous for it is to have everybody equal. Usually, a communitstic approch is to make the people middle, or working class. Now, in the past, when communism is taken by a government, they tend to abuse it. The one thing that's not so safe about communism is there is no branching of government, like how America has the House of Rep., the Judicial branch, and the Executive branch. That, is why it's soo easy, usually millitary leaders, take over the country as an evil dictator; i.e., Hittler/Germany, Stalin/Russia, Mao/China, etc.
But, what I say is if a new country with every body just starting out and stuff, if they chose to have a Communist country, but have a Branced Government,no one person can take dictatorship.
Discuss, do you think this could work?
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:15 am
Sorry, grand idea that just won't work with human beings.
Somewhere along the line someone always feels like they are entitled to more than their fellow communists. Somewhere along the way someone always feels like they are not getting as much as their fellow communists and so they slack off. It's not that the system is evil but that it is so easily abused. It counts too much on trust without a means of checks and balances.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:03 pm
it couldn't work. someone would take over. i had this whole thing typed out on the history of it, but it got deleted stressed crying so im not typing is again. maybe another time though
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:33 pm
I'm not necesarilly sure why america started the anti-commie thing. I guess to them is was so unconstitutional...it broke all the "american rules." It made people equal, which ruins the social structure of the U.S.
We did everything in our powert ot make them look evil and ourselves better in some vain attempt to...I suppose convince our people we had it better...imagine a communist regime in the US?
So many things like putting GOD on EVERYTHING in the U.S. simply because The Soviets were institutionaly atheist. Even the color red was so closely related it was it's own antanae for controversy.
But anyway...
Communism is idealistic at best. It's ability to function relies entirely on the good nature of people. People however are inherently capable of so much bad that not every single person can handle comunism. It's Utopian, it just simply is not functional.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:48 pm
Humans as one will always strive for something better, when it comes down to a bullet in my head or a bullet in his head I would choose his head. This idea can be applied to everything, when someone sees a chance to better themselves they take it with communism its to easy, and the people around him dont strive for something better because they think everything is equal its like playing mortal kombat with a bunch of 2 year olds, they dont know how to use a playstation controller, who the hells gonna win?
Even if it was segregated into seperate parts its the state of mind of the people that makes it the problem, its like a guy thinking his living in heaven when really he is in hell because evil is all around us ^^ its just communist's just dont know it, and besides Americas government is not perfect its actually worse than a lot of governments, I honestly believe the only reason America has gotten as far as it has is because of its people.. were always looking out for our own country to become a dictatorship if a president screws up we start grinding his a**, I mean look how everyone feels about Bush, I wouldnt be suprised if he got lynched by his own secret service before 2008.
Basically, in a communist country people dont speak out because they are tricked into believing there is never anything to speak out against, and there shouldnt be but eventually someone takes advantage of the situation and no one knows it; the guy could slip a womans throat infront of the entire country and say she was stealing from the people and they'd go about there day to day lives being as gullable as possible.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:35 pm
I don't think it will ever work. I look at the past and that's all I see. It never worked and never will.
OHH, DEEP THOUGHTS.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:35 pm
Hmmm, good replies.
I guess, you guys are right.
There's no use in believing in something that could never work with the human nature,
Right?
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:07 am
[Xenocidic_Chaos] Hmmm, good replies.
I guess, you guys are right.
There's no use in believing in something that could never work with the human nature,
Right? Not in this case there isn't. =D Pity though, it is a nice concept.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:44 am
kisakisa [Xenocidic_Chaos] Hmmm, good replies.
I guess, you guys are right.
There's no use in believing in something that could never work with the human nature,
Right? Not in this case there isn't. =D Pity though, it is a nice concept. Thanks.
It would be nice if it could work,
Though.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:51 pm
kisakisa [Xenocidic_Chaos] Hmmm, good replies.
I guess, you guys are right.
There's no use in believing in something that could never work with the human nature,
Right? Not in this case there isn't. =D Pity though, it is a nice concept.
Just because something has not worked out in the past does not mean that it's a bad idea, it just means that the world is not ready for it yet.
Many people say that communism and capitalism are two very opposite ideas but that is not entirely true.
In the marxist ideology, capitalism is not bad, in fact it is just one step towards the end of history:
All of history is marked by conflicts between social classes and when there will be no more classes, there will be no more conflicts.... this will be communism.
What I am trying to say here is that we are at that stage in the human existance where we couldnt possibly be ready to accept the abolition of social classes. That is why it hasn't worked yet.
Everything in it's time.... and communism is not in it's time yet
I'm glad to hear americans not get influenced by the anti-communist propaganda. They tend to say that communism leads to the nazis... but thats just one extreme....capitalism to such an extent is bad too. That is why you have to moderate yourself... something that mister bush hasn't figured out yet
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:13 pm
i will admit that it is a good and noble idea but it will never work because of human nature. until all people in a country become more concerned about the common good rather than their own interests it will inherently fail and the probability of that many people changing is very very small. The other problem people have with it is that it gives only one person power. seeing how you see the need to complain about bush, imagine if he didnt have congress and the supreme court to check on what he does.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:17 am
it might work but it would have to be a more socialist government and a democracy. because power corrupts and complete power corrupts completely.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:08 am
*gasp*
People agree with me!!
And I thought I was the only one.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:02 pm
on a micro scale, it can work very well, but anything bigger than a small village is so open to corruption that it just doesn't work sad
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:36 pm
purple richie kisakisa [Xenocidic_Chaos] Hmmm, good replies.
I guess, you guys are right.
There's no use in believing in something that could never work with the human nature,
Right? Not in this case there isn't. =D Pity though, it is a nice concept.
Just because something has not worked out in the past does not mean that it's a bad idea, it just means that the world is not ready for it yet.
Many people say that communism and capitalism are two very opposite ideas but that is not entirely true.
In the marxist ideology, capitalism is not bad, in fact it is just one step towards the end of history:
All of history is marked by conflicts between social classes and when there will be no more classes, there will be no more conflicts.... this will be communism.
What I am trying to say here is that we are at that stage in the human existance where we couldnt possibly be ready to accept the abolition of social classes. That is why it hasn't worked yet.
Everything in it's time.... and communism is not in it's time yet
I'm glad to hear americans not get influenced by the anti-communist propaganda. They tend to say that communism leads to the nazis... but thats just one extreme....capitalism to such an extent is bad too. That is why you have to moderate yourself... something that mister bush hasn't figured out yet
Interestingly...Nazis were ANTI-communism. They were the Nationalist Socialist party and were strongly apposed to communism.
But the problem is that you seem to have this belief that one day all people will no longer believe in social class...
MAYBE
But that would only happen if A) everyone became truely buddhist and practiced in the noble eightfold path and the middle-way. B)Everyone found somethingelse to assert their social dominance with.
We are only animals surviving in excess...One concept of our pseudo survival or even real survival, is social standing. Or how highly you are viewed by your peers.
We no longer need to just survive anymore. The human race survives in excess...so now we have the capacity for greed. We no longer NEED so now we WANT. And greed is wanting the maximum gain for the least effort. Getting things without earning them...so on, so forth.
I could rabble on for a while...and maybe I will in my own thread one day...
But because we are so cappable and wanting of ...things, communism doesn't work. Because if everyone is equal you are GOING to run into problems...
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