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As full moon rises
Let the sword swing and blood spill
Flowers unflinching

the Demon

My hatred for you
Making love in purest form
Cannot be quenched

the Demon

A tale of greatness
A man of ill-fatedness
An adventures doom

From great heights he fell
Forlorn and weeping he went
Fishermen saved him

Loved by a lass
Lived in a village loves
Longs for homeward bound

Ready he went forth
Risky his journey appeared
Relent he did not

the Demon

(Sadly the next stanza was impossible for me to write since I couldn't find any good starting words. Does anyone know if this is an open of closed haiku?? It isn't a brain buster, when you answer, why is it either or?)

the Demon

Hey, that's some good haikus, a few parts you could fix up, but I like it! 3nodding Very nice how you put it into a little story too. biggrin

You know, I almost got mad at this message. But then I realised, there is no website on the net that tells people everything that I know, and I've been training myself not to get anxious or mad at ignorant people.

I fully understand tradition Haiku can only be written in Japanese, and I don't particularily like western style haiku, or Modern Western-Japanese Poetry. So I improvise.

Quenched is bi-syllabic, "Quen" & "Ched". You're talking with an English major/teacher, very little I don't know, English Prof's are like God, omnipotent to the "T". I'm not being sour about criticism, I just find it hard to imagine anyone critiquing poetry, since in reality, unless you follow strict guidelines for developing your poem, no one can really have any say about it. Okay, maybe I am a bit bitter, but since I don't consider poetry as a literary art form (even though I'm paying like $800 to study it) and I don't at all consider it a noble action, nor does it give anyone any literary credibility. Poetry is the easy way out at I see it, but that's a rant for anther day.

Poetry this, and
Poetry that! All I have
Now, is poetry

...that sucks.

the Demon

What? Poetry coming first as a literary principal? What kind of cough medicine are you on? That's not a principal it's an opinion and duh, we both have differing opinions. Here's the standing:

Leavaros: Poetry good, well natured, provocative, insightful, etc...

Desert_Demon: Poetry (western) bad, numb, thoughtless, trivial, lacking in a need for talent, structureless, etc...

Those aren't principals, those belong in schools, nor are they principles, rules that govern over something.

I agree quenched is a very iffy word, but realise I wrote it at 12:30, or whatever Gaia time that is, so quenched was there and I used it. Not to mention it's a bit hypocritical for a poet to tell someone else what words to use their poetry, borderline arrogant.

I dunno Vale, I haven't read very many good western poems, or poems written by westerners or otherwise. As you can tell I'm not a huge fan of poetry, probably due to my golden days as an avid reviewer on Fanfiction.net and then later colonized myself onto FictionPress.com. It bothered me how poems of any length were being priased as if God himself had written it when the poem was nothing more than drivvel and a copy of the last person who had written about the same topic.

And now that I'm studying poetry professionally, it just makes me angry as anything to have to read more crap and listen to my prof just burst at the seems with at the poems in question. I've only read one that I liked which was called: (The) Charge of the Light Cavalry, which honoured the misguided charge of 600 cavalrymen who got the wrong order way back in the day when colonizing Africa was the cool thing to do.

I understand poetry and poems means something different to everyone despite technical factoids but still, it just bothers me because anyone can slap together a few stanzas and call it art. I watched an idiot boast his latest artistic genius at the Toronto Museum of Art, or someplace like it, it was a while ago and I don't remember the gallery's name. But the idiot had painted a 2x4 wood block bright solid yellow and was trying to convince people to buy it for $10,000. That's what I see poetry as, just a bunch of people doing one thing because it's easy. I respect anyone who can create a closed, structured poem, but the free verse today is like a cancer, no cure and it's everywhere.

I don't know who Martial is but I know Shakespeare only wrote his poems to make a slim living while constantly in fear of being executed by the Queen if his poetic plays didn't adhere somehow to her majesty's royal lineage. I also hardly consider the many works of Shakespeare poetry since most of them are acted out. I've read through his poetry and while a few struck a cord with me the rest was just something I would leave alone.

I'm not trying to deter anyone from liking poetry or even writing poetry, I can see people getting that idea from my statements I just have a problem with poetry and the millions who write it instead of learning or even attempting to produce something structured that requires skill. But that's just me being over zealous and protective of language from those who seek to destroy it through ignorant verse, and don't bother Vale about bringing up my vapid hypocracy as I write butchered Haiku's in the writing forum, I'm quite aware of my own hypocracy.

Anyway, I'm gonna finish this, not in the greatest of moods. And no, I don't nor will I ever regret saying something in anger, I mean everything I say, if I didn't, I'd be a liar, and liars are bad people.

the Demon

Oh Vale, I wouldn't kiss you if you was wearing lipstick and were my type.

By the way, the "haterade" rip, genius, give my kudos to your bro.

I am a young man, only two years into adulthood. And I all but hate the western world, there are very few redeeming things we've invented here, or claimed to have invented. This is mainly due to our self-proclaimed importance, obsessive pride is ugly and disgusting, and the america's have far too much that.

I never said all free verse was crap, I hinted that most of it was crap. Nor did I say your writing was complete rubbish. It's kind of annoying when people take me too far at face value and overlook how I word my ideas. But we are all human.

It's kind of funny when you say that you know good poetry. I've never met anyone whose ever claimed such a thing. Every poet or poetry buff I've ever talked to says poetry is to be taken by the reader and either enjoyed or not enjoyed. Stating you know good poetry appeals to your ego and it may be true either because the people you advertise your observed poetry to enjoy the same things you do or don't have the heart to tell you otherwise.

I don't kiss frogs, princes or queens... no offense to you though wink . I prefer real people who can act real, or at the very least, appeal to my view of real.

the Demon

P.S. I meant america's, not American's.