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 Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:49 pm
I was hoping someone else would start this thread, but I guess its up to me. (faux angsty sigh)
What are everyone's thoughts on good and evil?
What are the ethics we must live by as students of the subtle?
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:00 pm
I believe that the definition of good and evil changes slowly over time. It all has to do with point of view and popular belief.
As for ethics..."do what thou wilt".
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:36 pm
The whole concept of "good and evil" is nothing but opinion and interpretation. For unknown reasons, society seems to have this sort of...comic book idea of a villan when they think of "evil". Those who are "evil" do not sit around brooding over themselves being evil. I can guarantee you no suicide bomber sits around saying, "Muahaha, what should my evil plan for today be? Should I blow up that school of innocent children just to be evil, or should I massacre those old folks at the nursing home who are completely helpless and probably never did anything to harm anyone? Haha, I'm so evil, I just can't help myself." If they do, go ahead and shoot me now. But anyway, I'd write more, but I've got to go.
THE demented little voice in Dras's head agrees!
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:27 pm
DrasBrisingr The whole concept of "good and evil" is nothing but opinion and interpretation. For unknown reasons, society seems to have this sort of...comic book idea of a villan when they think of "evil". Those who are "evil" do not sit around brooding over themselves being evil. I can guarantee you no suicide bomber sits around saying, "Muahaha, what should my evil plan for today be? Should I blow up that school of innocent children just to be evil, or should I massacre those old folks at the nursing home who are completely helpless and probably never did anything to harm anyone? Haha, I'm so evil, I just can't help myself." If they do, go ahead and shoot me now. But anyway, I'd write more, but I've got to go. So true <3 lol
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:14 pm
DrasBrisingr The whole concept of "good and evil" is nothing but opinion and interpretation. For unknown reasons, society seems to have this sort of...comic book idea of a villan when they think of "evil". Those who are "evil" do not sit around brooding over themselves being evil. I can guarantee you no suicide bomber sits around saying, "Muahaha, what should my evil plan for today be? Should I blow up that school of innocent children just to be evil, or should I massacre those old folks at the nursing home who are completely helpless and probably never did anything to harm anyone? Haha, I'm so evil, I just can't help myself." If they do, go ahead and shoot me now. But anyway, I'd write more, but I've got to go. I'll continue now. So back to the suicide bombers. They think they're doing the work of God, correct? They think we're evil, so they kill us. We think they're evil, so we kill them. America seems to have this "everything we do is the right thing and should not be questioned by anyone" sort of air about it. But I don't want to get into all this political debate and s**t. My point is, there is no set "good and evil". If you pick a man off the street and ask him if someone who intentionally kills another human is evil, chances are he'll say yes. But as soon as you mention the war in Iraq, he starts making excuses. Ironic, no?
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:35 pm
DrasBrisingr America seems to have this "everything we do is the right thing and should not be questioned by anyone" sort of air about it. Seems to be that way with most organized religion...and people in general xD
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:40 pm
[BlkCat] DrasBrisingr America seems to have this "everything we do is the right thing and should not be questioned by anyone" sort of air about it. Seems to be that way with most organized religion...and people in general xD I don't disagree with you, there.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:57 pm
DrasBrisingr DrasBrisingr The whole concept of "good and evil" is nothing but opinion and interpretation. For unknown reasons, society seems to have this sort of...comic book idea of a villan when they think of "evil". Those who are "evil" do not sit around brooding over themselves being evil. I can guarantee you no suicide bomber sits around saying, "Muahaha, what should my evil plan for today be? Should I blow up that school of innocent children just to be evil, or should I massacre those old folks at the nursing home who are completely helpless and probably never did anything to harm anyone? Haha, I'm so evil, I just can't help myself." If they do, go ahead and shoot me now. But anyway, I'd write more, but I've got to go. I'll continue now. So back to the suicide bombers. They think they're doing the work of God, correct? They think we're evil, so they kill us. We think they're evil, so we kill them. America seems to have this "everything we do is the right thing and should not be questioned by anyone" sort of air about it. But I don't want to get into all this political debate and s**t. My point is, there is no set "good and evil". If you pick a man off the street and ask him if someone who intentionally kills another human is evil, chances are he'll say yes. But as soon as you mention the war in Iraq, he starts making excuses. Ironic, no? exacty... "Good and evil" is a point of view. People really only do what they think is right at the time... they might regret it later, but in that instant they thought it was personally right for that time and place under those circumstances... John Wayne Gayce thought that what he was doing was right, but by everyone elses standards it was wrong. I don't beleive in "Good and Evil" I beleive in "Creation and Destruction" and by creating you are taking up space where other creation could go, thus doing destruction, and by destructing you are making a place for creation to go, so, by doing the ultimate good, you do the ultimate evil, by the doing the ultimate evil, you do the ultimate good, but if it's the ultimate good, it's bad, which makes it a good thing, and vise versa 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:46 pm
I love this quote for otherkin.net:
"The concepts of Good and Evil are as old as time itself, and so are instances of their misapplication."
I think that these concepts are just a way the human mind works. We get into an argument, I'll argue that I'm right and you're wrong-I'm good and you're evil, on a tiny scale. In my mind, I justify what I do as good.
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:45 am
Good and Evil are relative, or just labels of things you like or hate.
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:24 am
I believe in good and evil. I know there is *some* sort of moral standard out there that prevents Hitler from being great and eating babies to being the new thing. I've met people, who didn't come out and say it, but I could tell they were subconciously thinking "People who use the idea of good and evil for their own benifit are evil." And it's a bit funny to me. I do think people make moral judgements about things. This whole idea goes back to the problem I've been having about total subjectivity and total objectivity, and how when I think about it, neither can be right. But I can't figure out what the hell else it could be.
My current idea, and this would apply to good and evil, is that there is such a thing, there is an objective standard, only it is infinitely malleable.
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:11 am
Maybe good and evil, and moral standards, are all part of self preservation.
When you think about it, all of the things we deem as evil, we see cause harm. We wouldn't want that harm to befall us, so we subconciously decide not to do it to others. By the majority agreeing to not commit these "acts" we have set up a moral standard, and those who go against it are evil, while the enforcers are good.
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:09 pm
to be either good or evil is to defy what man is, because man is really neither, it is there choices that are good and evil... a good choice would be to help someone out, you may commit evil to do so but it is still good.
to commit evil is to harm or kill a human being, although you may be doing evil so the good may go on(IE defending a country) and that is why soldiers can never be saints, no matter how holy they are.
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:07 pm
Joshua_Ritter I believe in good and evil. I know there is *some* sort of moral standard out there that prevents Hitler from being great and eating babies to being the new thing. I've met people, who didn't come out and say it, but I could tell they were subconciously thinking "People who use the idea of good and evil for their own benifit are evil." And it's a bit funny to me. I do think people make moral judgements about things. This whole idea goes back to the problem I've been having about total subjectivity and total objectivity, and how when I think about it, neither can be right. But I can't figure out what the hell else it could be.
My current idea, and this would apply to good and evil, is that there is such a thing, there is an objective standard, only it is infinitely malleable. My point is that Hitler probably didn't think he was evil. I mean, to some extent, he had to know that massacreing thousands upon thousands of people was a bad thing, but ultimately wasn't he trying to reach a "good" goal (at least good in his eyes)? I'm not saying Hitler was a saint; I'm just trying to further my point.
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:22 pm
DrasBrisingr Joshua_Ritter I believe in good and evil. I know there is *some* sort of moral standard out there that prevents Hitler from being great and eating babies to being the new thing. I've met people, who didn't come out and say it, but I could tell they were subconciously thinking "People who use the idea of good and evil for their own benifit are evil." And it's a bit funny to me. I do think people make moral judgements about things. This whole idea goes back to the problem I've been having about total subjectivity and total objectivity, and how when I think about it, neither can be right. But I can't figure out what the hell else it could be.
My current idea, and this would apply to good and evil, is that there is such a thing, there is an objective standard, only it is infinitely malleable. My point is that Hitler probably didn't think he was evil. I mean, to some extent, he had to know that massacreing thousands upon thousands of people was a bad thing, but ultimately wasn't he trying to reach a "good" goal (at least good in his eyes)? I'm not saying Hitler was a saint; I'm just trying to further my point.
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