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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:16 pm
There seems to be a notable sensation that any book written by a young author seems to get a lot of publicity and praise. For example, the two books in this category that I am most familiar with: In the Forests of the Night by Amelia Atwater-Rhodes and Eragon by Christopher Paolini. I understand the publicity part, but the feedback seems a bit one-sided. It is almost all praise, which I find odd. A few good reviews I can understand, but books written by young authors seem to get more people gushing over them than your average book. The amount of praise is peculiar given that the book is written by a very inexperience author and the material is usually rather generic and, in some cases, poorly written.
In my opinion, if a 15 year old writes a book, the book might be good considering the fact its author was 15, but that doesn't necessarily make it a good book. However, a lot of people seem to disagree with me. What are your thoughts? And why?
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:51 pm
Im not exactly shure where I stand in this issue, but I think that young authors seem to know what young readers want to read, (duh, I know)They get more publicity because of that, and because there young. (There makeing a Eragon movie! stare I hope they dont make it dumb!)
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:16 am
LittleSora Im not exactly shure where I stand in this issue, but I think that young authors seem to know what young readers want to read, (duh, I know)They get more publicity because of that, and because there young. (There makeing a Eragon movie! stare I hope they dont make it dumb!) I have to agree with him, on the sense that they know what we want to read about. Eragon and Eldest filled that bill perfectly for me. And the media may give it all praise, but there are many bashers of all books out there, expecially popular ones written by young authors. Type 'Inheritance Trilogy' into guild search and you get about as many bash guilds as praise ones.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:56 pm
I believe that even though a person is young, they can still have genius thoughts and ideas. Usually when a young person gets a lot of praise on a book they've written nowadays it's because they actually deserve it. Most, if not all of them are considered high IQ and have skipped grades, even made through some college. Most of them are all a bunch of smarties, so when they write kick a** books, people know about it (and give them tons of praise).
Don't let that discourage you not-so-intelligent writers out there. Once you take some classes on English, grammar and writing in general, you're sure to come up with something amazing.
mrgreen
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:49 pm
Amelia's writing is very good. Sure "In the Forests of the Night" wasn't her best work, but its not bad either. I like her unusual spin on Vampires....And in my opinion, Midnight Predator is just...Awesome. Its One of my two favorite books.
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:13 am
i like what is good i don't care if their 15 or 150 as long as its good and it gets finished. i believe paoloni is 18-19 is that second book any good i can't see the cover so i don't know if its something i would read
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:02 pm
the demon of chaos i like what is good i don't care if their 15 or 150 as long as its good and it gets finished. i believe paoloni is 18-19 is that second book any good i can't see the cover so i don't know if its something i would read agreed 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:25 pm
I agree with the idea that young author's know what young readers want, simply because they are in constant interaction with each other and therefore can gather ideas quickly and easily. There's also a form of near conspiracy theory behind the popularity of young authors, and again their might not be.
Like Sora wrote, they get the attention because they're young. Let's look at the vast majority of writers in the world, probably over 90% of them are adults, and a good portion of those adults are probably over middle aged. I'm not saying by any means youth writers should not get praise, if they can write something like Eragon and In the Forests of the Night, neither of which I've read but since joining this guild my Chapters Club card keeps calling my name, urging me to buy books. Anyway, back on topic, I have nothing but respect for kids being able to get published and since they're so closely related to their target audience, which just so happens to be the largest spending demographic in the world, if their books sell, they're going to sell a lot.
I'd also take into account, as noted by Crystal, that those child writers are normally kids with above average, probably MENSA level IQ's. I personally despise these kids. I knew about 8 of these big headed guys and gals back in grade school and believe me, they aren't a peach to spend time with, though I must admit there isn't much funnier comedy than watching said nerdy kids playing Jeapordy at lunch recess. Anyway, all I'm saying is that the kids I knew had relatively well off parents but saw fit for some reason to let their children dabble with the rest of us low IQ students. This brings into my overly suspicious brain meat that any MENSA child with so much as a glint of natural talent will be overly doted upon by their parents. We see this is cases of children who have natural talent to play classical instruments. Though I can't recall any of their names, I do like to indulge in the occassion classical music documentary, thank you Discovery. What I'm trying to say is that Paolini went to a very expensive creative learning school where literal studies weren't totally ignored but they weren't a key part of their course load. I have no dirt of the Forests girl but it's reasonable to assume these kids are famous because of their parents who can pull strings and write checks. I have actually tried to get a short story of mine published and I got shafted and put through a bunch of loops and holes and it's incredibly discouraging and I eventually gave up. I just find it odd that kids who attend well to do art schools are more capable, not likely, capable of getting published and recognized. It ticks me off but that's just me, I'll just have to wait until I'm old and grizzled before getting published.
As for the good reviews, it's like anything, there'll be an influx of good feelings, then as people go back and analyze it we'll see how Chris and Amelia took ideas from other authors and and writers and twisted them just like everyone else has since the dawn of time. There'll be hate groups and analytical studies and time, money and energy will be spent to study their works ultimately accomplishing nothing more than inflating the author's egos whole giving nothing back to the community. It's like anything else, if you like it, you like it and if you like it enough you email or write the author thanking them for putting something good into the world. If you don't like it, chances are you're going to rant and rave and join some focus group that deals with the meticulous deconstruction of the author's works until you can see it's very heart beating.
Media is just doing its normal job of over playing child genius. And whenever I go into Coles or Chapters these days and see a book that has a wide appeal factor I read the back, get a feel for the characters and then try and place who they might cast for each role. I'm getting tired of all these book to movie transfers. I figure it's just me, but I honestly don't think it's doing youth to give them an easy out of having to read the novels. Granted, Harry Potter is a great set of 4 adventure movies, the last 3 have been butchered beyond recognition to the books, but they were made to appeal to children. I think the Eregon movies are going to be good movies too, obviously we can't expect them to be novel clones, but I think anything with Jeremy Irons in it will do well, he's got that Look at me, I'm old, I'm cool, my grey beard was a gift from Sean Connery and I've been smoking since 12 and it's helped my acting career. I think he's a great actor, he usually get roles that are well above the knowledge of the protagonists and he plays to that extremely well.
Anywho, before my keyboard breaks I'll call it quits.
Have a good weekend everyone!
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:16 pm
I think author ages are just coincidences that may match how well their book is or isn't, but really, you're either a good author, or you're not.
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:15 am
S.E. Hinton was 16 when she had The Outsiders published, which is a good book...One of my favorites <.< I think it's well written and entertaining, makes me think, etc.
I do think the media has a lot to do with giving young authors publicity (stupid media...). I haven't read any books by any teenages other than The Outsiders, but I would ASSUME, that if a teen's really smart and has had writing classes, knows how to write, that he/she show be able to write a decent story. I would think as long as any teen is mature about writing, grammar and his subject matter (whatever he's writing about) then he should be able to write a decent story too.
And just because a story is has some grammatical errors, doesn't mean it's a bad story...unless it's littered with them <.< then I get pissed
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:02 pm
Desert_Demon I agree with the idea that young author's know what young readers want, simply because they are in constant interaction with each other and therefore can gather ideas quickly and easily. There's also a form of near conspiracy theory behind the popularity of young authors, and again their might not be. Like Sora wrote, they get the attention because they're young. Let's look at the vast majority of writers in the world, probably over 90% of them are adults, and a good portion of those adults are probably over middle aged. I'm not saying by any means youth writers should not get praise, if they can write something like Eragon and In the Forests of the Night, neither of which I've read but since joining this guild my Chapters Club card keeps calling my name, urging me to buy books. Anyway, back on topic, I have nothing but respect for kids being able to get published and since they're so closely related to their target audience, which just so happens to be the largest spending demographic in the world, if their books sell, they're going to sell a lot. I'd also take into account, as noted by Crystal, that those child writers are normally kids with above average, probably MENSA level IQ's. I personally despise these kids. I knew about 8 of these big headed guys and gals back in grade school and believe me, they aren't a peach to spend time with, though I must admit there isn't much funnier comedy than watching said nerdy kids playing Jeapordy at lunch recess. Anyway, all I'm saying is that the kids I knew had relatively well off parents but saw fit for some reason to let their children dabble with the rest of us low IQ students. This brings into my overly suspicious brain meat that any MENSA child with so much as a glint of natural talent will be overly doted upon by their parents. We see this is cases of children who have natural talent to play classical instruments. Though I can't recall any of their names, I do like to indulge in the occassion classical music documentary, thank you Discovery. What I'm trying to say is that Paolini went to a very expensive creative learning school where literal studies weren't totally ignored but they weren't a key part of their course load. I have no dirt of the Forests girl but it's reasonable to assume these kids are famous because of their parents who can pull strings and write checks. I have actually tried to get a short story of mine published and I got shafted and put through a bunch of loops and holes and it's incredibly discouraging and I eventually gave up. I just find it odd that kids who attend well to do art schools are more capable, not likely, capable of getting published and recognized. It ticks me off but that's just me, I'll just have to wait until I'm old and grizzled before getting published. As for the good reviews, it's like anything, there'll be an influx of good feelings, then as people go back and analyze it we'll see how Chris and Amelia took ideas from other authors and and writers and twisted them just like everyone else has since the dawn of time. There'll be hate groups and analytical studies and time, money and energy will be spent to study their works ultimately accomplishing nothing more than inflating the author's egos whole giving nothing back to the community. It's like anything else, if you like it, you like it and if you like it enough you email or write the author thanking them for putting something good into the world. If you don't like it, chances are you're going to rant and rave and join some focus group that deals with the meticulous deconstruction of the author's works until you can see it's very heart beating. Media is just doing its normal job of over playing child genius. And whenever I go into Coles or Chapters these days and see a book that has a wide appeal factor I read the back, get a feel for the characters and then try and place who they might cast for each role. I'm getting tired of all these book to movie transfers. I figure it's just me, but I honestly don't think it's doing youth to give them an easy out of having to read the novels. Granted, Harry Potter is a great set of 4 adventure movies, the last 3 have been butchered beyond recognition to the books, but they were made to appeal to children. I think the Eregon movies are going to be good movies too, obviously we can't expect them to be novel clones, but I think anything with Jeremy Irons in it will do well, he's got that Look at me, I'm old, I'm cool, my grey beard was a gift from Sean Connery and I've been smoking since 12 and it's helped my acting career. I think he's a great actor, he usually get roles that are well above the knowledge of the protagonists and he plays to that extremely well. Anywho, before my keyboard breaks I'll call it quits. Have a good weekend everyone! Wow.... Demon, you really know how to get off topic and make the reader forget that you got off topic. That's a gift. I think most everyone is forgetting something here. The books! If the books are good, then what does the age of the author matter? Sure, it might explain a few errors, and I'm prone to excuse those. It might even show the kid to be a powerful fantasist, at which time I'd have to question the purity of the water supply. But look past that. If the writing is slop written by a little kid who gets media attention just because he is young, then it deserves to be in a kindergarten classroom somewhere tacked to a blackboard with a sticker that says "Good Job!" It certainly doesn't deserve to become a movie. Vale, -LD
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:17 pm
A-ha! Here's a cue from reading books. If you read a historical book and you don't take it in the context of the time period, you don't get it, it's crap, it means nothing to you, it's too wordy.
So...If a kid or teenage writes a book, shouldn't be kind of do the same thing? Look at his work in the context of his "career"--- his age, the amount of time he's been writing, how mature and serious about writing he is, the obstacles he's overcome from his previous writing, etc.
Sometimes, not always ~.~;, people do this when they look at a piece of art, like fanart drawings. They notice the artist has fixed some problems his previous work had. Like the eyes aren't so...loppy, like they were in the previous drawing.
You get my point? XP
One more! And isn't it okay just to read books, crappy or good, because you LIKE to? If the author is 5 or 90, does it matter if you like to read their stuff? You don't care if the story is corny. You like it. But I DO understand that if you're looking for a good book, not one to fall in love with, that you're going to want something with more substance to it. 3nodding
I'm just rocking the boat and trying to make y'all think. ^_^; Tell me if it works...
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:41 pm
I didn't get off topic Vale, she asked for everyone's thoughts and those are mine.
I've read lots of books published, by young and old that were neither very good or laid out, but I enjoyed the books. I can't really explain why, they might have appealed to my humour or actually had well rounded characters and not so much a good storyline, it can happen.
I like following author's as they write from book to book like Glory wrote, I find it amazing how they evolve and learn and build off their own work like I think a good writer should. It isn't a crime to use older material and make it better, or use a common theme and put a fresh twist on it.
I think that's what's happening with youth these days, they have such a wide range of material they can take issues from a few different books/movies/articles and just spice them up in a new light. I try and do this all the time, I borrow ideas all the time, it helps me further my own novel. I don't think it's wrong in anyway, that would be like saying you're stealing the idea to use a nose hair trimmer for your own nose.
Again, kudos to those who can actually get published! You must be doing something write!
The Demon
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:14 pm
Desert_Demon I didn't get off topic Vale, she asked for everyone's thoughts and those are mine. I've read lots of books published, by young and old that were neither very good or laid out, but I enjoyed the books. I can't really explain why, they might have appealed to my humour or actually had well rounded characters and not so much a good storyline, it can happen. I like following author's as they write from book to book like Glory wrote, I find it amazing how they evolve and learn and build off their own work like I think a good writer should. It isn't a crime to use older material and make it better, or use a common theme and put a fresh twist on it. I think that's what's happening with youth these days, they have such a wide range of material they can take issues from a few different books/movies/articles and just spice them up in a new light. I try and do this all the time, I borrow ideas all the time, it helps me further my own novel. I don't think it's wrong in anyway, that would be like saying you're stealing the idea to use a nose hair trimmer for your own nose. Again, kudos to those who can actually get published! You must be doing something write! The Demon Demon, I guess you're right. Still, I think that while some people like authors to go from bad to good, everyone likes to see authors go from good to great. Like I said, a good fantasist weaves many different fibers together, but the necessary elements that make a good book are: Plot Characters (and their development) Setting The Ability to Raise Questions (you couldn't think of one word?) Morals (perhaps "result" is a better word) Flow (which I think many people undervalue) If anyone has stuff to add to this, feel free. The list is incomplete. Vale (a prayer, not my name evil ) -LD
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:56 pm
Leavaros Desert_Demon I didn't get off topic Vale, she asked for everyone's thoughts and those are mine. I've read lots of books published, by young and old that were neither very good or laid out, but I enjoyed the books. I can't really explain why, they might have appealed to my humour or actually had well rounded characters and not so much a good storyline, it can happen. I like following author's as they write from book to book like Glory wrote, I find it amazing how they evolve and learn and build off their own work like I think a good writer should. It isn't a crime to use older material and make it better, or use a common theme and put a fresh twist on it. I think that's what's happening with youth these days, they have such a wide range of material they can take issues from a few different books/movies/articles and just spice them up in a new light. I try and do this all the time, I borrow ideas all the time, it helps me further my own novel. I don't think it's wrong in anyway, that would be like saying you're stealing the idea to use a nose hair trimmer for your own nose. Again, kudos to those who can actually get published! You must be doing something write! The Demon Demon, I guess you're right. Still, I think that while some people like authors to go from bad to good, everyone likes to see authors go from good to great. Like I said, a good fantasist weaves many different fibers together, but the necessary elements that make a good book are: Plot Characters (and their development) Setting The Ability to Raise Questions (you couldn't think of one word?) Morals (perhaps "result" is a better word) Flow (which I think many people undervalue) If anyone has stuff to add to this, feel free. The list is incomplete. Vale (a prayer, not my name evil ) -LD Leavros, I think you pretty much listed everything good book needs. The only ones I would add are: Mood (Or the ability to create different ones.) And, Originality (Even if the main idea is used, something old can still be made new and exciting. 3nodding )
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