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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:16 am
靖国神社 Yasukuni jinja
A shrine commemorating war dead. Intially, it comemorated the hashira, 3500 dead in the boshin war and they are the kami worshipped there. there are simple reasons as to why i oppose the oppositions the koreans and chinese have against it:
~The visits there are to honour the dead and peace ~there is taiwanese and koreans soliders in there too rolleyes ~the emperors been to scared to visit the shrine, only the government goes ~70% of japan approved koizumis 5 visits ~its our country, stop complaining ~if the US succumbed to every one telling it to change what they ve done wrong, the government would be on hold for days, yet i see no one making any attempt at making the US "change its ways"
So, i support yasukuni jinja!
On to next topic
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:22 am
I guess my boyfriend also supports the yasukuni shrine..
we were talking about the new PM, and i said: "oh, he reopened dialogue with china! it's good, isn't it?"
and he answered: "if he's going to pay a visit to the yasukuni shrine... nothing will change..."
I don't know what to think about it!
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:23 am
Text books
The chinese and koreans say that our text books on history dont show everything, well ok then i have this
~text books in america dont show how horrible it is and we all know that the books are watered down a lot ~history is generally made up, very educated guesses. ~how do we know whats being taught to us is all true? how do we know that everything they tell us in history is fact or near fact? im sure many countries do this as well ~again its our country, we can do what we want rofl
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:24 am
[choco.banana] I guess my boyfriend also supports the yasukuni shrine.. we were talking about the new PM, and i said: "oh, he reopened dialogue with china! it's good, isn't it?" and he answered: "if he's going to pay a visit to the yasukuni shrine... nothing will change..." I don't know what to think about it! he doesnt support it i think. he falls into the 21% that doesnt (remaining 5 or so percent have no opinion or are lieing)
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:35 am
The koreans, jealous?
korean has hated japan for 1400 years. when korea refused to be nice to japan, we got angry conquered their country (by a female might i add, a greta shame in those days to be conquered by a woman) looted it took al their stuff, destroyed the kingdom of Silla, and took tsushima(daemondo) and takeshima (dokdo) with us. (though Silla had perviously taken tsushima from japan, takeshima was really all we gained). All because the koreans sacked himiko.
After that, korea went back wards, and japan greatly revolutionized. while we were lving in a fanatasy world of royalty clans and politeness, korea had gone so far backwards, their capital was the size of a small town in japan, and the kingdom was poor. china moved in and made matters worse.
Ever since they hated us. And now they get angry over things likethe "sea of japan"
So they can hate us, their country probably would have been better thatn ours. But god does things for a reason. what do you think north korea could do if they were more pwerful than japan?
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:47 am
sry I'm not quite clear on what yasukuni jinja is.
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:54 am
Ichigo1417 sry I'm not quite clear on what yasukuni jinja is. A shrine that commemorates japan's war dead
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:14 am
why wont the emperor visit the shrine? Its to remember the dead. is he afraind that if he does.those who are mad about the korean and chinese being there will get angry?
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:25 am
Ichigo1417 why wont the emperor visit the shrine? Its to remember the dead. is he afraind that if he does.those who are mad about the korean and chinese being there will get angry? Becuase it also in shrines the world war 2 soliders rolleyes the emperor wont go becuase then china and korea will go crazy.
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:53 am
This has nothing to do with china and korea but: Quote: Here in Japan, we just observed the 59th anniversary of the dropping of two atomic bombs with their own names, Little Boy and Fat Man, on Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively. Coming from a soul-broken home, the mass evil duo, in two swoops, killed about 190,000 nameless lives immediately, and continued to kill survivors to this day, with the total number of killed now standing at 237,062. To give a sense of proportion, according to official numbers in Hiroshima, a good 40 percent of the population was incinerated in temperatures reaching tens of thousands of degrees, almost instantly. To the people of that city, it must have looked the same as if a terrorist attack of ungodly proportions wiped out over one-and-a-half million residents of Los Angeles today. The anniversary was marked by reminders of divisions internal to Japan, as well as of divisions between Japan and her neighbors. Some of the internal rifts have been repressed out of sight, while others occasionally make it out of the bag; and the external ones refuse to go away. As the daily news from Iraq gets bleaker by the day, and as the clouds of smoke rising from Najaf grow darker by the hour, not all Japanese politicians can keep face. At the Aug. 6 Hiroshima city’s official proceedings commemorating the atomic tragedy 59 years later, with Prime Minister Koizumi attending, the mayor in his speech chose to ruffle whatever feathers he could, by referring to, “The egocentric view of the United States,” which, according to Mayor Tadatoshi Akiba, “has reached the extreme.”
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:11 pm
Aiko_589 Ichigo1417 why wont the emperor visit the shrine? Its to remember the dead. is he afraind that if he does.those who are mad about the korean and chinese being there will get angry? Becuase it also in shrines the world war 2 soliders rolleyes the emperor wont go becuase then china and korea will go crazy. Yasukuni basically ensrines everyone who died in the line of duty defending Japan in WW2, there's more than 2 million people enshrined there. But the main controversy is that there are many convicted war criminal enshrined there, including 14 convicted of Class A war crimes. The museum at Yasukuni has been accused of having material that "revises history." I find it interesting that PM Koizumi insists that when he visits Yasukuni, he's going as a private citizen, not as a public figure. Also, while people approved of Koizumi's visits, more than half of respondants in a recent Mainichi survey don't want the next PM to make such visits. (I changed the title of this thread because it better reflects the topic of this thread and because I found the old one rude, please refer to the ground rules)
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:13 pm
Freakezette Aiko_589 Ichigo1417 why wont the emperor visit the shrine? Its to remember the dead. is he afraind that if he does.those who are mad about the korean and chinese being there will get angry? Becuase it also in shrines the world war 2 soliders rolleyes the emperor wont go becuase then china and korea will go crazy. Yasukuni basically ensrines everyone who died in the line of duty defending Japan in WW2, there's more than 2 million people enshrined there. But the main controversy is that there are many convicted war criminal enshrined there, including 14 convicted of Class A war crimes. The museum at Yasukuni has been accused of having material that "revises history." I find it interesting that PM Koizumi insists that when he visits Yasukuni, he's going as a private citizen, not as a public figure. Also, while people approved of Koizumi's visits, more than half of respondants in a recent Mainichi survey don't want the next PM to make such visits. (I changed the title of this thread because it better reflects the topic of this thread and because I found the old one rude, please refer to the ground rules) Well, i was in a bad mode, so I dont mind now mrgreen
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:57 pm
If that is their way of life, and that's what they want to do, then so be it. Everything does happen for a reason, and for the most part, we make that reason as we go along. Whatever happens in life we need to do the best we can, with what we've been dealt. They fought for their country and sacrificed everything for their belief, with their place at Yasukuni as eternally standing proof. The past can hold a lot of terrible things, for a lot of people, and we must do hat we can to make peace with the facts, and move on with life.
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:25 pm
Aiko_589 Ichigo1417 why wont the emperor visit the shrine? Its to remember the dead. is he afraind that if he does.those who are mad about the korean and chinese being there will get angry? Becuase it also in shrines the world war 2 soliders rolleyes the emperor wont go becuase then china and korea will go crazy. That's not why they get offended. They get offended because convicted class A war criminals are buried there.
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:04 pm
To make some things clear:
- World War II = evil evil time for everyone - Atomic bombs = bad bad bad - Japanese treatment of WWII war prisoners especially Chinese = bad bad bad - Dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki = bad bad bad and forever a controversial topic and no American is proud of it - Saying America is egocentric because of bombs and Iraq = wrong wrong wrong, we had our reasons then and we have them now, though of course not everyone agrees with them.
America is just a country like any other, running around making mistakes and screwing up the world. Just because we are currently at war doesn't make us horrible...
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