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 Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:33 pm
japan. it has many minorities:
~koreans
~portuguese
~muslims
~hispanics
~indians
~caucasian
~black
oredered in largest to smallest. why would i wan to tell you about this only to white and black people? becuase japanese peoeple are signling you out. you may think we are nice, and we are, and racial tolerant, but this is actually true and not true. an INCREASING number of places in japan do not allow WHITE OR BLACK PEOPLE inside the building. all other minorities (except koreans, which face a different form of predujice) face little~ no discrimination. maa, we are actually seeing a rise in indian and hispanic immigrant. but there is actually many whites and blacks leaing the country.
i have no clue why japanese people are mean to them. [i am not ^^ heart ]
i think it may be based on looks because the other minority i mention lookmoderately japanese.
and these places that dont allow whites and blacks. the government can send strong worded letter, but otherwise they are allowed to continue, and the government can do nothing. comment?
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:48 pm
My dad told me about this. I don't know what to say right now though. I'm so sick I can't think straight. xp
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:21 pm
This is not totally unheard-of, but i still can't believe it.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:28 pm
I've heard that some Japanese can be extremely racist/predjudice in some ways, especially toward blacks, but I didn't realize it was that strong...
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:32 pm
Yoroko-chan I've heard that some Japanese can be extremely racist/predjudice in some ways, especially toward blacks, but I didn't realize it was that strong... actually not especially towards black, it is more agaisnt white these day.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:30 pm
Could it possibly stem from lingering sentiments from the war?
Even Americans aren't sure how to feel about everything that happened in World War II. All I have to say about that is, everyone was confused, everyone did terrible horrible things, and it's best to put it behind us.
But if I had the chance, I would pay my respects at Hiroshima Peace Memorial too.
I'm not exactly shocked by this - racism is present everywhere. America may be a so-called "melting pot" but we have a ridiculous amount of racism in spite of it. So it'd be hypocritical for me to get upset because of racism directed at me. I've never been subjected to it, being Caucasian and therefore a majority here. I've experienced sexism and prejudice because of my religion, but never racism. In the U.S. during World War II the Japanese-Americans experienced a lot of racism. I did my eleventh grade research report on the internment camps and it baffled me that anyone could have thought quarantining Japanese-Americans was a good idea at all. We are supposed to be the nation that says "all people are equal," yet we didn't treat everyone as equal. There are some strong contradictions there.
More or less, I think racism is something everyone in the world deals with, and that no one can escape. So when we encounter it we can only hold our heads high and say, "I'm proud to be who I am and that you have a problem with it doesn't bother me in the least." ^^
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:57 pm
I've heard of this before, so I am not really suprised. I was not aware of the amounts of each kinds of immigrants, so I was just suprised that caucasians were not higher on the list.
The keeping people out of places based on race shouldn't be a suprise. It is different for each country which races are prejudiced against, but I think prejudice exists in all countries, whether or not they want to admit it. Also, it will differ in how prevalent and severe it is, but it is still there.
For example, even as a white person in America, I get prejudiced against if I am in a predominantly black city or part of a city. I think this is because they assume that all white people look down on black people as inferiors, and could not possibly be good people when dealing with black people.
And of course there is prejudice that has nothing to do with race either. Like rich vs. poor, educated vs. uneducated, location vs. location... it's really dumb, and sad, but some people will go to lots of trouble to find a reason to not like people who are slightly different than themselves. stare
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:08 pm
I remember reading up on this a while back for no good reason... I stumbled across the site of a Caucasian citizen of Japan who was working on stopping Japanese establishments from segregating. I think a lot of the places that keep out Caucasians are located up north (ie. Hokkaido-ish), because that's where a lot of Russian soldiers can be found. And apparently those soldiers don't have a very good reputation. I also seem to recall that many of the establishments that segregate by race were bath-houses. Probably restaurants too?
Hm. I wonder if I'd ever be able to track that site down again. It had all sorts of interesting information about Japan's legal system.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:34 pm
Rindi I remember reading up on this a while back for no good reason... I stumbled across the site of a Caucasian citizen of Japan who was working on stopping Japanese establishments from segregating. I think a lot of the places that keep out Caucasians are located up north (ie. Hokkaido-ish), because that's where a lot of Russian soldiers can be found. And apparently those soldiers don't have a very good reputation. I also seem to recall that many of the establishments that segregate by race were bath-houses. Probably restaurants too? Hm. I wonder if I'd ever be able to track that site down again. It had all sorts of interesting information about Japan's legal system. I saw that site as well, the man was a naturalize citizen of Japan (a rare one indeed) and had a Japanese wife and two kids, and people would study his id for a long time, not believing he was actually allowed in. Also, a lot of the places that wouldn't allow whites would have signs in Russian, so it was meant more for the Russian soliders than any other group of caucasians. Japan has vitutally no discrimination laws on the books (and with 99% of the population being Japanese, I would imagine there's not really going to be any push to create any) so the government is pretty powerless to do anything. But I just wonder if there's any real reason. Have there been any recent events with caucasians or blacks acting unruly, or is it just media giving them a bad wrap. Or is it possibly an attemt to distance themselves from The US and UKs involvment in the ongoing middle east conflicts?
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:13 pm
Freakezette Rindi I remember reading up on this a while back for no good reason... I stumbled across the site of a Caucasian citizen of Japan who was working on stopping Japanese establishments from segregating. I think a lot of the places that keep out Caucasians are located up north (ie. Hokkaido-ish), because that's where a lot of Russian soldiers can be found. And apparently those soldiers don't have a very good reputation. I also seem to recall that many of the establishments that segregate by race were bath-houses. Probably restaurants too? Hm. I wonder if I'd ever be able to track that site down again. It had all sorts of interesting information about Japan's legal system. I saw that site as well, the man was a naturalize citizen of Japan (a rare one indeed) and had a Japanese wife and two kids, and people would study his id for a long time, not believing he was actually allowed in. Also, a lot of the places that wouldn't allow whites would have signs in Russian, so it was meant more for the Russian soliders than any other group of caucasians. Japan has vitutally no discrimination laws on the books (and with 99% of the population being Japanese, I would imagine there's not really going to be any push to create any) so the government is pretty powerless to do anything. But I just wonder if there's any real reason. Have there been any recent events with caucasians or blacks acting unruly, or is it just media giving them a bad wrap. Or is it possibly an attemt to distance themselves from The US and UKs involvment in the ongoing middle east conflicts?  全力で反抗したかて・・・・・・・・・・・・I also remember coming across such a site a while back. I think I came across it when looking for info on what it would actually take to achieve naturalization in Japan. Honestly, after reading that article getting to Japan all of a sudden seemed much less of a big deal. It all of a sudden gave me the idea of Japan being just like it is here in the states, so why go to a place where you know no one and have to deal with it too, huh?
The guy's name, well his naturalized name, was Arudou Debito. He broke all the details down about how racially operated Japan can really be. He went on to decribe insightfully the actual way the word "Gaijin" is really used. Literally, "Gaijin" means "foreigner" or "outsider", however he stressed that the way the Japanese use it you may as take it as a racial slur. He included that there are even instances where a Japanese person will be outside of THEIR own country in OTHER'S country, but still refer to the people not Japanese like them as "Gaijin".
Basically, the he was saying it's thrown around, a "Gaijin" is pretty much any person that isn't Japanese, not any person not originally from Japan. Then the way a "Gaijin" is classified was described as extremely superficial. Given a Chinese or Korean, if a Japanese wasn't literally given info that either of them wasn't actually Japanese they'd simply be presumed as a Japanese citizen.
There are even certain undercover vulgar words for "Gaijin", and not only that but each type of foreigner within the "Gaijin" category... ya know, like we do here in the states. "Jingai", an intended inversion of the word "Gaijin" is a good example.
Now I'm black and pretty used to the paranoia of racism existing in everyday life, so the idea of this existing in Japan doesn't bother me at all. If anything at least it's nice to know that in Japan the MOST of us "Gaijin" are opressed equally instead of some more than others. Still, it's ALL a bunch of bullshit to me! I mean who the hell even has time to BE racist nowadays!? With all the diversity and exchanging taking place in the world there is a little bit of everyone EVERYWHERE! Racism is just a waste of energy.
Hell! People got enough free time to be racist, the world should be in MUCH better shape than it is now! That's people for ya... (9_9) ちぇ！ ・・・・・・この世潰れようわで！！
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:07 am
Akira_Hoshino Could it possibly stem from lingering sentiments from the war? Even Americans aren't sure how to feel about everything that happened in World War II. All I have to say about that is, everyone was confused, everyone did terrible horrible things, and it's best to put it behind us. But if I had the chance, I would pay my respects at Hiroshima Peace Memorial too. I'm not exactly shocked by this - racism is present everywhere. America may be a so-called "melting pot" but we have a ridiculous amount of racism in spite of it. So it'd be hypocritical for me to get upset because of racism directed at me. I've never been subjected to it, being Caucasian and therefore a majority here. I've experienced sexism and prejudice because of my religion, but never racism. In the U.S. during World War II the Japanese-Americans experienced a lot of racism. I did my eleventh grade research report on the internment camps and it baffled me that anyone could have thought quarantining Japanese-Americans was a good idea at all. We are supposed to be the nation that says "all people are equal," yet we didn't treat everyone as equal. There are some strong contradictions there. More or less, I think racism is something everyone in the world deals with, and that no one can escape. So when we encounter it we can only hold our heads high and say, "I'm proud to be who I am and that you have a problem with it doesn't bother me in the least." ^^ Yay! You explained it better than I would have. ( xp I'm still sick.)
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:18 am
Division, and exclusion of any kind is hurtful, ignorant, and ultimately pointless, in my eyes. Being raised in a fairly mixed community, with a lot of different ideas, from a lot of different people, I have come to realize that everybody has their reasons for why they act a certain way, and why they do what they do. And the same goes for why they keep people out of places, and why they would hurt them, beat them up, drag them along the ground, from a seeding truck, so on, and so forth. I happen to think most of it stems from simple things like ignorance, hatred because of differences, bad experiences, following the crowd, any number of things, and factors.
Whenever I think of the world's current state, it saddens me, and inspires me to stay kind, and understanding to everyone I meet along the way. People are capable of both extraordinary kindness, and unfathomable hatred, and whatever side they wish to show to the world, is how they want the world to think of them, and when we show them a single act of kindness, or one word of anger, it can totally shatter how those people how the race, or at the very least, that person. If we can show people how much understanding can affect people, then we can shift the way the world of going, even if by a little. An action of even the smallest magnitude, can shatter what an hour long speech, or a lifetime of pain and anguish can build up. So when someone is showing you nothing but cotempt and hate, let them remember what kindness is like, by showing them a little.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:02 pm
Ahhaha...this may be a foolish question, but what do you think Japanese people would think of me when they looked at me? I do look Asian: dark hair, sort of slanted eyes, dark eyes, a rounded face, oriental-colored skin. I'm just the slightest bit tall and have an obviously American accent.
What is the Korean prejudice you mentioned? I've never really heard a lot of what goes on between the actual Asian countries themselves, more like the relations between Asian countries and not-Asian countries.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:05 pm
che_hyun Ahhaha...this may be a foolish question, but what do you think Japanese people would think of me when they looked at me? I do look Asian: dark hair, sort of slanted eyes, dark eyes, a rounded face, oriental-colored skin. I'm just the slightest bit tall and have an obviously American accent. What is the Korean prejudice you mentioned? I've never really heard a lot of what goes on between the actual Asian countries themselves, more like the relations between Asian countries and not-Asian countries. Japanese and koreans have hated eahc other for 1400 and koreans have hated eahc other for 1400 years.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:10 pm
Heh heh. That's because Japan kept invading Korea and claiming it as their own.
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