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 Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:26 am
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:19 am
Pretty good. Might want to include some of the quotes from Gardner's works as well.
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:47 am
TeaDidikai Pretty good. Might want to include some of the quotes from Gardner's works as well.
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:54 am
It's good. However, I think it's very important that you note that even Gardner admitted that he supplemented old material with his own stuff. It shows that Gardner wasn't just an insane fraud, for one, which is important.
Tell you what - when this is finished, PM it to me. Assuming that I haven't dissapeared from Gaia, I'll work it into the new version of the Wicca FAQ. With credit, of course.
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:54 pm
Triste-chan It's good. However, I think it's very important that you note that even Gardner admitted that he supplemented old material with his own stuff. It shows that Gardner wasn't just an insane fraud, for one, which is important. Tell you what - when this is finished, PM it to me. Assuming that I haven't dissapeared from Gaia, I'll work it into the new version of the Wicca FAQ. With credit, of course.
I tried not to protray Gardner as a fraud, he was going by Murray's work after all, and at the time people beleived it was true history. Also noted though
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:37 pm
You might consider this beyond the scope of your article, but I suggest that you mention Charles G. Leland's 1890 work Aradia, Gospel of the WItches. Though, like Murray's original works, not specifically referencing the term Wicca, think it has been taken as anecdotal evidence by many, and I was surprised to see no mention of Leland in an article about la vecchia religione (the old religion.) I may be mistaken, but I believe it was his publication that introduced the term? Don't give Murray all the credit!
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:27 am
[Kudzu] You might consider this beyond the scope of your article, but I suggest that you mention Charles G. Leland's 1890 work Aradia, Gospel of the WItches. Though, like Murray's original works, not specifically referencing the term Wicca, think it has been taken as anecdotal evidence by many, and I was surprised to see no mention of Leland in an article about la vecchia religione (the old religion.) I may be mistaken, but I believe it was his publication that introduced the term? Don't give Murray all the credit!
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:15 am
If you want to deal some serious damage, you might want to cite the theory that Aleister Crowley either helped create or actually created Wicca for Gardner.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:54 am
Gideon Starorzewski If you want to deal some serious damage, you might want to cite the theory that Aleister Crowley either helped create or actually created Wicca for Gardner. It's just a theory? Some of the stuff in Wicca is taken verbatum from Crowley's work. [Source = http://www.redflame93.com/Gardner.html] I haven't verified this site's research personally, but it was pointed out to me by someone I trust. But this too might be beyond the scope of a short essay. whee
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:50 am
Not a theory at all to my knowledge.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:24 am
Wait wait, I've heard that Wicca borrowed stuff from Crowley, but Crowley actually helped Gardner create Wicca?
Never thought I'd ask this, but can I see sources? Unless of course I'm just reading what you're saying wrong.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:56 am
One theorey, it was mostly coined by Leo Ruickbie place Crowley, rather than Gardner as the brains behind the operation.
Another, by someone named Hutton I believe, says that it is ripped of from a Rosecrucian break off group.
Of course, there are also some sources labeling Gardner as a member of the Golden Dawn... and it is hard to seperate (in popular imagination) Crowley's personal hijinks from that organizations eclectic mysticism...
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:49 pm
PhantomPhoenix0 Wait wait, I've heard that Wicca borrowed stuff from Crowley, but Crowley actually helped Gardner create Wicca? Never thought I'd ask this, but can I see sources? Unless of course I'm just reading what you're saying wrong. It is my understanding that Crowley's handwritting was on Gardner's copy of Ye Bok Ye Arts Magical.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:01 pm
TeaDidikai PhantomPhoenix0 Wait wait, I've heard that Wicca borrowed stuff from Crowley, but Crowley actually helped Gardner create Wicca? Never thought I'd ask this, but can I see sources? Unless of course I'm just reading what you're saying wrong. It is my understanding that Crowley's handwritting was on Gardner's copy of Ye Bok Ye Arts Magical. Still, source please? If it is true, I'm not going to deny the possibility that Crowley had a hand in helping, but just from what you've said, its too vauge to be fact if indeed Crowley wrote something in the book. Could be an autograph, or a proofreading note.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:45 pm
Tis a piss poor secret society where one can find as much information as is available (unless it is all meant to be misleading), much less have anyone with any sort of credibility denouce their actions.
However, the theorey is expounded upon in the following book: Ruickbie, Leo. Witchcraft out of the Shadows: A Complete History. Robert Hale Limited. ISBN 0709075677
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